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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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More_Badass
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More like Neo Nazis taking over some random island in the Arctic circle or the Pacific
Jacksinthe
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Everyone.
True Ren does have powers similar to that of Vos. Even still his brute force abilities are still not even Close.
Well, like I posted earlier, here were the earlier versions of the vision before it got changed around:
MakingStarWars said:
MillenniumFalcon said:
I've been assuming that guy was supposed to be the "clan leader".
CassidyIzABeast
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Where were the Y-Wings when they had to do a bombing run on the oscillator?
Maybe the whole reason he wears a mask is cause he's an ugly mofo that got made fun of a lot. Not sexy, but a valid reason why people turn into psycho killers in the real world.
phasma is the jihl nabaat of TFA
also, the one thing that really bugged me in the movie was the fact that not only was a normal able to fight a force user with a lightsaber, but actually land a hit. like, that fight should have been over before it started. ren could have yanked the saber right out of fin's hands before he even turned it on, or strangled him, or just blew him away. i mean, the stormtrooper fighting him with an energy-tonfa made more sense, but since he's not a jedi...why not just shoot him? egh
good movie though
also, the one thing that really bugged me in the movie was the fact that not only was a normal able to fight a force user with a lightsaber, but actually land a hit. like, that fight should have been over before it started. ren could have yanked the saber right out of fin's hands before he even turned it on, or strangled him, or just blew him away. i mean, the stormtrooper fighting him with an energy-tonfa made more sense, but since he's not a jedi...why not just shoot him? egh
good movie though
Jacksinthe
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You quoted me in multiple posts. Check who you are quoting next time, I guess?
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Okay after mulling it over for like 4 days I've decided that I actually loved the movie and I can boil down my complaints to a really clean list.
i dont think the flashback sequence where she goes downstairs was needed, I think it would have been fine if the flashback was triggered during the interrogation scene.
I don't think we needed finn to want to run as much as he did that little character arc dragged on a bit too long,
I dont think the starkiller base needed to primarily be an "oh shit if we don't blow it up we're gonna get blown up!". I think it would have been better if the tension had been primarily from the rescue mission and being sneaky.
I dont think we needed the han solo vs 2 smuggler gangs scene with the beasts escaping, It felt fluffy and an unecessary way to reestablish han solos character but we do that anyways in maz's palace.
Finally I would have liked for luke to say something at the end.
Everything else was damn excellent, everything leading up to the Jakku escape being the absolute highlight of the movie.
i dont think the flashback sequence where she goes downstairs was needed, I think it would have been fine if the flashback was triggered during the interrogation scene.
I don't think we needed finn to want to run as much as he did that little character arc dragged on a bit too long,
I dont think the starkiller base needed to primarily be an "oh shit if we don't blow it up we're gonna get blown up!". I think it would have been better if the tension had been primarily from the rescue mission and being sneaky.
I dont think we needed the han solo vs 2 smuggler gangs scene with the beasts escaping, It felt fluffy and an unecessary way to reestablish han solos character but we do that anyways in maz's palace.
Finally I would have liked for luke to say something at the end.
Everything else was damn excellent, everything leading up to the Jakku escape being the absolute highlight of the movie.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Irvin Kershner says, "Word?"
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Now, it seems. That first thread was filled with fan overload though, with how TFA is the perfect movie.
haha
Admiral Woofington
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All right cool I did see some of that discussion I just know that I left the film with buddies and joked with one that "did you enjoy episode 7? Where the nobody in the sand planet gets jettisoned into an intergalactic plot due to plot droid, she meets friends, finds a mentor/father figure who ends up related to the bad guy, the mentor dies, and then they destroy the NOT Death Star."
Seriously what's the next death star going to be.
DarkHeartedKill
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That's true. I just figured with Luke it was due to their connection as Farther & Son. Leia being able to resist makes sense too.
Kylo still has a lot of training to do according to Smeagol so we'll see if he does get better.
Ether_Snake
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From the book. JJ left out the most important line.
Yep, makes me think Ren knew Luke or another Jedi had a daughter who they never found.
So could be that the vision is:
Rey's mother gets killed.
Kylo never finds her daughter, gives up on her.
Luke drops off Rey on Jakku.
In his fight against Rey, he realizes it's her.
Forget it! I told someone why they would probably not let VII's reception influence their plans for VIII. You read better next.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Amazing.
Pretty much everyone
PayOffWizard
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Supper disappointed. It's basically a copy past job of the first film. And when they started trench run 2.0 it totally jumped the shark for me.
It's annoying because I thought most of the original stuff was quite good.
It's annoying because I thought most of the original stuff was quite good.
ayyyyyyyyyyyy
JJ cut out any other type of fighter except X-Wings and TIEs because he thought the audience would get confused, somehow, despite the rest of the franchise always having multiple types of ships involved in battles.
Admiral Woofington
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I also liked how Finn was not Han Solo who kept trying to leave but then comes back for his friends. And Rey what the fuck. Can someone here who is super into Star Wars explain to me what happened there? All of a sudden she knows shit like jedi mind tricks and how to do them even though in shows that are canon in Star Wars a padawan tries to do the same and gets told that it requires training?
And she can resist interrogation with no training to control emotions/your mind? Was she just like that because protagonist?
And she can resist interrogation with no training to control emotions/your mind? Was she just like that because protagonist?
Charles Foster Kane
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Saw it. I liked it. Jedi has stronger highs, but it might be 3rd best for me atm. While I enjoyed it, it's not near the original 2.
Some thoughts: liked FInn, Rey and Kylo (Rey was op as fuck). The red head General dude was a cartoon, but I didn't mind him. Also, the pacing was a bit off at times.
It is indeed sort of a greatest hits compilation. It suceeds at it. 7/10
And I don't think it might have the general appeal something like Avatar had.
Some thoughts: liked FInn, Rey and Kylo (Rey was op as fuck). The red head General dude was a cartoon, but I didn't mind him. Also, the pacing was a bit off at times.
It is indeed sort of a greatest hits compilation. It suceeds at it. 7/10
And I don't think it might have the general appeal something like Avatar had.
TheRedSnifit
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Like, even then I'm pretty sure we'd notice if an island in US waters was crawling with dudes dressed like Wermacht and had a bunch of unauthorized nukes set up.
MisterHero
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Rey is a super-powerful pure blood witch. She learned Occlumency and the Cruciatus curse in 5 minutes each
Then the script reveals via Rey that even she doesn't know what's going on, and handwaves it by giving the dialogue a humorous tone
Jacksinthe
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LOLOLOL dude - you said JJ wasn't writing the next one and all I said was that JJ and Rian both spitballed Ep8. I never agreed with the other guy - just pointed out that JJ and Rian both tossed ideas or for Ep8.
Literally that's it.
I don't need to read better, you need to understand I made an addition to your post, completely unrelated to any influence of Ep8 by Ep7s reception in the effect of: JJ and Rian both spun yarn on Ep8. Lmfao!
PayOffWizard
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Haven't you just described 90% of the plot?
Hasphat'sAnts
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I really really enjoyed the movie, and I think I like it better than Return of the Jedi at the moment simply because Jedi was so uneven.
But man, I rewatched Empire Strikes Back on Friday night, and what a great movie that was. The drama, the emotion, the stakes. It's a perfect movie.
But man, I rewatched Empire Strikes Back on Friday night, and what a great movie that was. The drama, the emotion, the stakes. It's a perfect movie.
Which is actually a much cooler set up. Heroes and villains are on a similar level playing field and starting to grow at the same rate is actually really cool.
The fact that the republic didn't notice stars going missing or a planet sized weapon pissed me off. Why didn't they go to total war because of this.
Why did 20 x-wings take it down that is complete and total bullshit.
Oh yeah totally I don't mind that part at all but I don't like that a trained knight got wounded by a non force sensitive person, and a newly blossomed one it makes no sense. The lack of Lethality in their fight was annoying.
The movies are always going to make crazy money so they don't need to take it safe at all. Having potential negative fan reaction change how they would make the movie is such a coward move.
The unmasking also showed that he wants to be like his grandpappy so badly that he'll go around wearing a voice-changing mask too.
johancruijff
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saw it for the 3rd time tonight
didn't notice it before, kylo leaves his mask on the bridge
so i hope he's gonna be a scarred mfucker now, i don't want another mask
didn't notice it before, kylo leaves his mask on the bridge
so i hope he's gonna be a scarred mfucker now, i don't want another mask
AlphaStriker
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haha that's freakin' awesome
Estocolmo
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Was chatting with my friend who also saw this movie and we came with a couple of interesting theories.
- What if Rey is the Chosen One? The one that Anakin was supposed to be, which could explain Rey's ability to do Jedi stuff without training.
- Snoke is actually the same size as Yoda, and thats why they made Snoke CGI because he is actually the same size as Yoda. Everybody thinks he is a giant but the hologram might just be scaled a couple of levels.
- Kylo Ren isn't the son of Leia and Han. He is adopted, which explains why he doesn't look his biological parents (black hair, different face features). And may explain why he went bonkers in the Jedi academy with Luke.
- What if Rey is the Chosen One? The one that Anakin was supposed to be, which could explain Rey's ability to do Jedi stuff without training.
- Snoke is actually the same size as Yoda, and thats why they made Snoke CGI because he is actually the same size as Yoda. Everybody thinks he is a giant but the hologram might just be scaled a couple of levels.
- Kylo Ren isn't the son of Leia and Han. He is adopted, which explains why he doesn't look his biological parents (black hair, different face features). And may explain why he went bonkers in the Jedi academy with Luke.
Really? I thought it was scarier that he just a guy. Not some sort of deformed scary looking creature as siths tend to be. Its easier to think that "oh some scarred up freak or red eyed monster guy is a bad guy", but him just being a normal looking person hits that nerve of the darkside can get to anyone.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Maybe but I feel like i only had an issue with like 15% of it really.
Jakku and Maz's palace were great, which is about half the movie. Same with the resistance base scenes, I didn't say I disliked star killer base either I just said that I would have rather it have been handled slightly different.
The One and Done
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Nope.
Ether_Snake
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I expect that to some extent, he would become his own thing now having "surpassed" Vader, and also because you don't have a lead actor wear a mask all the time. Plus he's scarred now, etc. Although for plastic crap selling reasons, he'll probably wear an helmet in some occasion.
CassidyIzABeast
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Finn accidentally starting up Dejarik for 5 seconds. Not confusing.
Spaceships used for bomb running. Confusing.
JJ pls.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I thought Darth Sidious made up that prophecy.
This, and we didn't need another Vader. It's a different situation.
Vader was confident as fuck, and had an all-powerful Galactic Empire around him. They fit each other.
Kylo is mentally unstable, and he's part of the cast-off remains of the Empire trying to fight back from the edges of the galaxy. They fit each other.
Ragnorok64
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Someone posted something earlier in the other thread that the decision was made to just have X-Wings and Tie Fighters to keep the simpler visually.
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