Ziltoidia 9
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I think Ren's force mind control is added in to mean he used it on Rey to make her forget his attack.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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My idea of Rey vs. Kylo progression for the next two films.
Episode VIII - Both of them go at it again with Kylo way more prepared. However, the match remains at a light stalemate, with Kylo having the clear advantage over Rey somehow.
(Though, if we do some darkside temptation schtick for Rey, it'd be cool if she takes advantage for a few seconds and warns Kylo:
"Don't make me destroy you" like Vader did to Luke
Suddenly, against Kylo's will, the rest of Knights of Ren join in on Snoke's orders and proceed to wreck a now exhausted Rey in a handicap fight. Kylo still joins in but clearly upset because "goddamnit, she's mine." Team Resistance also hops in on the fight to help out Rey and proceeds to turn into a complete clusterfuck. Basically, nobody wins like a good ol' WWE match with too many interruptions.
Episode IX - I'd like the final showdown between Kylo and Rey to happen after the main conflict has been resolved. Make it a more "we still have a score to settle" affair (yes, I do play Metal Gear Solid). Also, by this time, both of them will likely be at their full potential. It's pretty much gonna be the ROTS final duel sequence of this trilogy, minus the unnecessarily frivolous padding and spectacle.
I always just imagine the doctors are super incompetent and she had a crushed windpipe or something :lol
Giolon
Member
That's not music that sticks in my mind, not music I can hum, not music that I took away with me when I exited the theater (I've even seen it twice now). The music isn't bad, as it always fits the scenes that it's used in, but that doesn't make it memorable or iconic like so much about the music from both of the previous trilogies.
But Leia remembers her !!!
LegendofLex
Member
Yeah, I conveniently ignore the implication that she dies of a broken heart. That doesn't gel at all with Padme as we experience her in any other Star Wars media outside of ROTS.
The younglings scene is pretty out there. Even at his worst (up to that moment) he killed the Sand People because he believed they were animals who killed his mom. When he kills the kids there is zero motivation for it beyond Palpatine saying "go fuck shit up".
In order for that scene to make sense you have to somehow imagine the Dark Side of the Force somehow makes you MORE evil once you embrace it.
Interfectum
Member
It was the entire point of the PT and it was completely underdeveloped IMO.
There was no gradient between Anakin Jedi -> Anakin Child Murderer -> Darth Vader. When he finally got in the suit it felt like a completely different character and nothing like the one who just fought Obi Wan.
Never once did I ever imagine Darth Vader's last days as a jedi was him being a petulant child tricked into straight up murder so he could save his wife and unborn. It doesn't even fit his character and it completely diminishes Obi Wan's reminiscing about Anakin in ANH.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Padme was fridged the entire film, even when she was alive. It was a fucking disgrace, she went from badass in the first two to a prop in the third.
LegendofLex
Member
Palpatine says outright "only after you [exterminate all the Jedi, showing no mercy] will you be strong enough [in the dark side] to save Padme."
Eh, having known someone who went on to be arrested for some pretty terrible shit, I see Obi-Wan's reminiscing as pretty realistic.
I was humming it in the shower the other day, so I disagree, lol. Kylo Ren's reveal music was incredible and really complimented his menacing appearance. I also hum the music that's playing around the time Rey's food rises/she stares into the sky and sees the ship. Rey's theme is utilized incredibly well throughout the film (and also gets stuck in my head). It's not as memorable as previous films, I can agree with that, but not that it's forgettable or insignificant.
prag16
Banned
Maybe if you remove the ewoks. Maybe. But the ewoks are an abomination. Even as I kid I thought they were horrific.
Obliterator
Member
Nothing will ever top the awkwardness of Padme looking at a 9 year old Anakin and biting her lip at the end of TPM.
Nothing
Nothing
Nah, the change b/w 1 and 2 was already ridiculously jarring. Yes, she was still shooting people up in II, but her personality drastically changed from "no bullshit Naboo politician" to "Oh Ani! *swoon*".
30yearsofhurt
Member
Well obviously a bad movie is better than three pieces of shit.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I just watched ROTJ on Friday after not seeing it in years expecting the Ewoks to be terrible and... they were not. At all.
I dunno, he doesn't give him explicit instructions to kill the kids, who are all still padawans at best.
It doesn't follow. Killing EVERYONE else, sure, the kids though? Nah.
This is the kind of hyperbole I was talking about. Just silly.
The Ewoks are pretty awful. I hate watching the Ewok central scenes. Pretty much the entire Forest Moon bit is ruined by their idiocy.
30yearsofhurt
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If you consider that there was a rumour that the ewoks were used to replace Wookies then they're just tragic.
LegendofLex
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*shrug*
That's not a particularly plausible scenario. The home planet and species of a major player in the Rebellion are involved in the final conflict against the Death Star, and the Rebellion isn't able to act until it's too late to stop its completion? Much better that the only sentient species is relatively primitive, childish, and technologically backwards.
Discotheque
Banned
Han Solo was almost character assassinated in Jedi tbh. He has a cocky swagger to him and also rarely ever shows his heart on his sleeve.
and then in jedi he's a damn buffoon. and whenever he's not babysitting a bunch of little teddy bears he's sounding jealous of luke and leia lol. i get that lucas veered towards a more goofy family vibe for the film but he dragged han down big time. dude was comic relief in the movie. i had fun with it but it was clear how neutered he became.
the force awakens solo is a much more natural growth from ESB han.
and then in jedi he's a damn buffoon. and whenever he's not babysitting a bunch of little teddy bears he's sounding jealous of luke and leia lol. i get that lucas veered towards a more goofy family vibe for the film but he dragged han down big time. dude was comic relief in the movie. i had fun with it but it was clear how neutered he became.
the force awakens solo is a much more natural growth from ESB han.
Its the internet, what do you expect?
well, when you get frozen in carbonite, your life-perspective tends to change i guess lol
prag16
Banned
"You don't like what I like, therefore wrong and/or massive hyperbole."
I fall into that trap sometimes too I guess. I accuse people of hyperbolic irrational prequel bashing at times too. So I hear where you're coming from.
But the ewoks just don't work for me at all. They look ridiculous. They sound ridiculous. Their actions are ridiculous. And they bring nothing worthwhile to the table. They are awful.
So agree to disagree.
I concur with this here rank.
Except for that Menace, like the Ewok films and Christmas special, is a spinoff that's not really a Star Wars film.
CloudyTuba
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That's obviously up for debate but you act like it's an accepted fact, making a top TFA spot completely perplexing.
Believe it or not, one of the top praises this movie is receiving is about the characters. Protagonists and antagonists alike. So with that in mind, it might make sense that other people place it highly even if you disagree.
tbh, I'd take Ewok over Gungans any day.
The Librarian
Banned
OT, PT -- treats its female characters like shit
TFA -- doesn't treat its female characters like shit
Therefore, TFA is the best movie, or at least one of the three best.
LegendofLex
Member
I really like how strongly you're enforcing that rule as a hardline. Good job.
(not sarcasm, in case anyone was suspicious)
Having watched all of the films multiple times recently, and heading to see TFA for the fourth time on Thursday, I have to say that TFA is my favorite Star Wars film.
Really close with The Empire Strikes Back, but there's something special about TFA that has me constantly thinking about how much I freaking love it.
Really close with The Empire Strikes Back, but there's something special about TFA that has me constantly thinking about how much I freaking love it.
This is a much better explanation than before. Nah, not that you don't agree, just that the way it was phrased before was definite hyperbole. I can agree to disagree with what I'm quoting here but understand your reasoning. Thank you.
The Librarian
Banned
funkystudent
Member
Phasma says otherwise but ok.
CloudyTuba
Member
I think in ROTJ he was sort of in an awkward period of his life though I think it's integral to him as a character and still a logical progression even if he does feel neutered. Though I do agree that ROTJ did mishandle him at times.
-In 4 he was a smuggler asshole and was perfectly comfortable being one until the very end when he decided he couldn't sit it out.
-In 5 he became more sympathetic and was sort of torn between the smuggler life and the rebel life. He was trying to leave before getting wrapped up in the mess again.
-In 6 it seems he had accepted the rebel life leaving his smuggling days behind him, and suddenly he seemed a little more awkward. Like he knew it wasn't his style but it was simply the right thing to do, even if he was uncomfortable.
-In 7 after it all went to hell, he went back to where he felt comfortable and became a smuggler again. But of course by the end of his arc in the movie he has again chosen what is right over what is comfortable.
That struggle is the essence of his character. He repeats the same arc in different ways throughout his appearances. It's made clear that the "war hero" Han Solo is not easy for him.
The Librarian
Banned
Framing it like this is funny. If that's your criteria for ranking TFA high, then that's great.
The Librarian
Banned
tell me how
Yup. That's the hook.
Not really. I just really love the movie. Didn't give a single thought to its treatment of either gender.
Eh, the character is underutilized and over-marketed, but that's got nothing to do with her being a marginalized female character. She's still a hardass captain in cool looking armor. That there was no need for the character to be female makes the fact that she is a win I'd think. There's no attention drawn to it, she doesn't have boob armor or anything, the character didn't need to turn "sexy" or any other bullshit. She just is a stormtrooper captain who happens to be a woman.
Rey is Darth Vader's Sister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcCQ97N_uvs
Also film rating:
Hope (Original, not SE, HAS TO BE ORIGINAL)
Empire
Jedi
Sith
Force
Menace
Clone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcCQ97N_uvs
Also film rating:
Hope (Original, not SE, HAS TO BE ORIGINAL)
Empire
Jedi
Sith
Force
Menace
Clone
Well, I can't disagree with that.
Count Dookkake
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The Librarian
Banned
Well that's sad to hear, though if you're a man that's not entirely unexpected.
brandonh83
Banned
Wait what did he say that has spurred such a comment?
What an unnecessary diss.
Stop insuating bullshit.
The Librarian
Banned
Spurred what kind of comment? If you're a man, with your gender being fantastically represented in our culture, it's not entirely surprising for you to not give a single thought, as he put it, to a movie's treatment of gender.
I mean, if you look at it a certain way, that's an awesome position to be in. He doesn't have to worry about his gender being on screen and well represented, so he doesn't give much thought to it all. That *has* to be a relief.
Because men don't have to deal with the reality of your gender being underrepresented, the reality of that particular situation is vague and requires more effort to think about. Some men are better at acknowledging this and going out of their way to look at our culture's treatment of gender, some don't, and some straddle this middle.
still disagree, here's why
ATTENTION. ATTENTION everyone. I have huge, no, massive problem with Kylo Ren power level inconsistencies.
In the beginning, this dude stopped and suspended a blaster bolt in mid-air, and what is a blaster bolt? is it just a mere physical projectile? no, it is not.
according to wiki
blaster bolt consists of lights and or particle based energy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_(Star_Wars)
now what force in the universe can stop a light from moving??? I can think of only one, black hole. So this guy should be God-like power with black-hole power level, if he can stop light or energy from moving.
AND YET....
1. he can't influence Rey with his power, eventhough up until the capture Rey had no clue what power is, she thought it was a myth let alone experienced it herself
2. With his massive power Kylo Ren should be able to regenerate his wound, he should be like Wolverine on steroid at this level. (didn't he teleport to cut Fin and Rey escape route?? how did he get there so fast if he's wounded??)
see my problem there's many inconsistencies with this guy power
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