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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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Well they did have a full scale invasion we just didn't really see it well.
LegendofLex
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- Because droids haven't been established as having long boot times.
- Because him falling asleep in the first place was established as being a result of Luke leaving, so his reasons for waking up ought to carry similar weight and have a similar level of clarity, at least according the expectations of the audience.
- Because the timing of him waking up - just as Rey arrives on-world - is just too perfect.
WadiumArcadium
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God damn it Mickey.
He senses the Force. R2D2= midichlorian detector confirmed.
Jedi can predict things; isn't it possible that Luke set Artoo to activate right when he needed to be? He may not have known why, but he knew that was the right time.
LegendofLex
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Could be.
I still think it was a huge wasted opportunity to not have the lightsaber be the trigger.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
That would have raised even more questions though wouldn't it?
That's my guess as well. Also plays to the inner uncertainty of his character and gives Driver some scenes sans mask (which were some of the best in the movie).
I still think the mask is part of Snokes manipulation of him. It was extremely heavy/loud the two times he removes it, it's clearly a burden to him whether he actually knows it or not.
Imperfected
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Though it certainly was never stated as such, my assumption was honestly that Luke sensed the destruction caused by the Starkiller firing (something that was well-enough established by Obi-Wan in ANH), and reached out through the Force to reactivate R2, because he knew he couldn't afford to hide any longer.
That said, this doesn't seem to be the writer's take on it.
Doctoglethorpe
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A ground battle like a reverse Hoth would have been so amazing.
PrivateWHudson
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-Have we seen a Droid cold boot before?
-As simple as Luke have him a command to hibernate until a key arrives. The map being the key.
-suggesting that R2 is force sensitive? Could Ren have woken him?
yay
really? all they had was a handful of x-wings, the invasion was pretty laughable, it's really fortunate that shutting down the planet gun was just a sub plot because of how hamfisted everything involving it was
rest of the movie was pretty fun but generally extremely safe and used anh as a template a little excessively, i feel like ep 8 will really be the make or break moment for the new trillogy as they have to do something new now
Well, he's been around them for long ass time. He's seen some shit.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Hadn't thought about it like that, I just assumed it was his decision to wear it as a straight-up emulation of Vader.
The PT didn't have enough space battles and the OT didn't have enough ground Battles. TFA didn't really have much of either. I'm hoping they fix this in 8 and 9.
Grover Cleveland
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Why didn't Leia wake his ass up then?
My Lucasian genetics may be a bit rusty, but shouldn't she have exactly the same amount of midichlorians as Luke?
that was the overall impression i got, considering how much he idolizes vader
Yes C3PO several times in the OT and PT
Going by some of the artwork in the art book, they seemed like they were going that route too.
Though, one thing I'm sensing from the art book is that they had way too much third act ideas in fact.
C3-PO in Episode I, when Anakin activates him. And even then, R2-D2 didn't "cold boot" he was in power saving mode.
The map had already been in the base before he woke up.
Droids cannot be force sensitive. (Unless they're Skippy)
brandonh83
Banned
The shields were down in the base, so it wasn't just a simple matter of sending in the Xwings. Han and co. had to actually infiltrate the base to make it vulnerable. That helped it feel less like ANH to me as it also involved some espionage. The "trench run" as it were was extremely brief and not the focus. The actual climax was the saber duel in the woods.
DragonSworne
Banned
So does anyone else think that Finn still works for the first order?
Evidence
- we don't know what Phasma and Finn discussed after the raid on Jakku. Maybe they were planning to stage Poe's escape so he could follow him to BB-8.
- Finn sure did get lucky to be the one to escort Poe
- Finn recognized the BB unit but hid it well
- Kylo Ren knew it was Finn who broke Poe free
- Kylo didn't kill Finn
Finn playing that deep spy game well.
Evidence
- we don't know what Phasma and Finn discussed after the raid on Jakku. Maybe they were planning to stage Poe's escape so he could follow him to BB-8.
- Finn sure did get lucky to be the one to escort Poe
- Finn recognized the BB unit but hid it well
- Kylo Ren knew it was Finn who broke Poe free
- Kylo didn't kill Finn
Finn playing that deep spy game well.
I dont see how their going to avoid some kind of death star for the 9th film.
They need something that's impressive but that can be easily defeated and wrapped up. I can think of think's they could do instead, but I dont know, it wouldn't feel like Star Wars if they didn't blow up some big thing at the end.
They need something that's impressive but that can be easily defeated and wrapped up. I can think of think's they could do instead, but I dont know, it wouldn't feel like Star Wars if they didn't blow up some big thing at the end.
hellmonkey
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I have no idea. You kinda have to turn off physics and logical thinking to enjoy these movies. One of the things that bothered me was the warning alert when they reached their destination and would then manually shut off hyper drive. At those speeds, would you be able to pull out in time? That shit needs to be computer controlled, microseconds equate to huge distances.
Im not crapping on the movies at all. I think TFA is probably my fav SW movie and Im looking forward to seeing it again with a friend. Im no where near as critical as some in this thread. All of the movies that I really enjoy have big issues if you analyze them. I just turn off and enjoy the ride.
brandonh83
Banned
Nope. None of that is reflected by Boyega's performance (or anything really) and would be absolutely ludicrous.
The entire movie is based upon setting up open-ended threads for the sequels. It's all ABOUT questions!
He faked orders so he could get Poe out of the cell. And Ren slashed him across the spine which seems to have almost killed him.
LegendofLex
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Why would it have?
The trigger logically shouldn't be BB-8/the missing piece of the map, otherwise we should have seen some sign that R2 was waking up as soon as he came in contact with BB-8 for the first time.
I know this is the "official explanation" from the writers, but it sounds too much like misdirection to me, like JJ saying that they gave C-3PO a red arm to show how much time has gone by even though his arm is restored by the end of the film, thus breaking that logic completely. (It seemed more like a symbol of what was going on with the other characters, with Han and Leia being symbolically wounded and Han sacrificing himself for his son, and then Rey becoming more of a whole person, all of it inextricably linked to a story thread they were careful not to reveal.)
Timing it with Rey's appearance seems to make sense, but we have no idea how R2 would be able to activate upon her appearance. A genetic scanner, perhaps?
The lightsaber would have been a physical object that wouldn't have come in contact with R2 at any point during the rest of the movie (when Finn had it, all he wanted was to save Rey) that would have signified that a person who inherited the lightsaber (and thus symbolically accepted the Force) specifically is ready to go find Luke.
Anything would be better than the situation we have currently, where people question the fact that it happened for any particular reason at all to the point that I'm willing to call BS on the official explanation from the writers because it's that bad and that unbelievable.
Technically, no, but we don't see any signs from R2 whatsoever until the scene where he activates and he isn't
"cold booting" anyway since he's in low-power mode.
See the above.
If Rey is Luke's daughter/is already known by Luke, it could be a genetic key.
I'm pretty sure he was just bullshitting in that scene to get Poe out of custody.
PrivateWHudson
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So a 9 year old skipped the safety features of doing diagnostics before sending full power. A Droid from a real manufacturer would be different. I'm saying that map was the key, and by the time he was in full power mode, everyone had left to plan the assult. He then waited before making his move.
I just want my space ship-to-ship fight next movie.
Imperfected
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I think it's pretty clear at this point that R2-D2 has been manipulating the Jedi and Sith all along, playing them off one another in a bid for complete Force-sensitive genocide in the hopes of delivering the world gift-wrapped to the waiting Droid Revolution.
He's just gathering the scraps together in one place to finish the job.
He's just gathering the scraps together in one place to finish the job.
DragonSworne
Banned
R2D2 is the real Mary Sue. Just look how unstoppable he is in the OT.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
It really bothers me that we haven't had a proper Star Wars ship battle for 32 years. I love the opening of RotS, but that's more of a chase scene during a battle. I want a big fuck-off showdown between the Resistance and First order with scores of Battleships and hundreds of fighters.
Something tells me we will have to wait for Episode 9, Rogue One should scratch that itch nicely whilst we wait though
.You don't think it would be just another rehash of "Iam your father" mean that is boring writing and no surprises there
BluePigGanon
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Same. It's not the patricide, it's the fact that Kylo being redeemed waters down the power of Anakin's redemption - a big part of what makes that story great is Vader, this ultimate bad guy, sacrificing himself for his son and dying in the light. That should be a one-off, a totally odd case in the stories about fallen Jedi.
Rey can set out to "save" him if she likes, that is a fair, heroic motivation. But she should find it's impossible and has to make a hard choice. Or, when Snoke detects the faintest waver in Kylo, Snoke should kill him.
The Lamonster
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DragonSworne
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Rey is related to the first Jedi and is the true prophecy.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Star Wars is just the story of how two immortal droids witness the folly of man every single generation for all eternity
Good observation.
People throwing around the "Mary Sue" stuff have a problem with context in general. They're not accounting for the Force, but that's one thing out of at least half of dozen other factors that give context to Rey's actions and talents.
Markitron
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Yea, if they ever reveal her parentage (which I would prefer they didn't - like Yoda's species), I hope they are total nobodies. As far as I am concerned, they have already played the secret family member card and gotten away with it. It's gonna be really cheap if they do so again.
I kind of disliked how 3PO and R2 had so little screen time in this new movie.
Yep, fuck this global BB8 circle jerk, he ain't shit next to Artoo. I don't care how fucking 'real' he is.
We would not be friends in real life.
You are a monster
I kind of disliked how 3PO and R2 had so little screen time in this new movie.
yeah honestly as bummed as I was about Leia's lack of screentime, that moment was really amazing
I loved it. I hated their characters. C-3PO is annoying as hell, and for all the talk of Rey being a Mary Sue, R2-D2 is the biggest Mary Sue in the Star Wars universe, conveniently pulling abilities out of his ass and winning every fight he's ever been in.I kind of disliked how 3PO and R2 had so little screen time in this new movie.
Exactly! I think people just can't let go of the past or Skywalker family and embrace change. It's a galaxy for gods sake, and the Skywalkers can't be the only saviors. Hell before the Skywalkers, there were already stronger force users keeping the galaxy at peace for thousands of years. Luke and anakin stories is just one chapter in the stories that we were introduced too.
BluePigGanon
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My bet is it's one of two things:
- Rey is Luke's daughter, her mother was murdered by the Knights of Ren. Or,
- Rey is the daughter of two dead Force-sensitives that were in Luke's academy, a'la Harriet Potter.
There's no way they'll just never address her family, they're clearly hinting at something. But I doubt they'll do a Big Reveal thing, they'll handle it like Kylo's lineage. It will just come up in conversation.
Having sat on this movie for a while, my thoughts are pretty much that, while I didn't hate anything, the fact that most motivations and plot points are the result of "we're setting up this thing for the second film" or "we have to remake a New Hope" is pretty depressing.
A lot's going to hinge on how things play out in the second one for this movie to be worth it. But aside from that, it doesn't really get to be its own thing because it constantly has to remind people that it's like the original trilogy.
It does it's job as a reminder of the originals while setting up for the next two movies. Despite some good performances and some breakout roles, it's largely a cog. Disney's real good at making movies that feel like cogs lately, what with Marvel.
A lot's going to hinge on how things play out in the second one for this movie to be worth it. But aside from that, it doesn't really get to be its own thing because it constantly has to remind people that it's like the original trilogy.
It does it's job as a reminder of the originals while setting up for the next two movies. Despite some good performances and some breakout roles, it's largely a cog. Disney's real good at making movies that feel like cogs lately, what with Marvel.
Markitron
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As someone that always thought Harry Potter was a cheap imitation of Luke, I really hope this isn't it.
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