Crazymoogle
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hkk said:
Probably not, but King Gainer should get some sort of honorable mention, I'd think.
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Probably not, but King Gainer should get some sort of honorable mention, I'd think.
There's nothing "semingly average" about Fafner. It's just that, average. I really don't see what anyone sees in a show where you don't give a shit or like any of the characters. Not to mention annoying ass Kotoko songs and shitty mecha design. But hey, some people like Aquarion and Basilisk, so this is a pretty strange thread as it is! 
Don't mind Duckroll here. He can get a bit extreme in downplaying shows he hasn't actually watched past ep1 =P
Fafner had some good characters and anybody who actually watched the show can attest to the fact that the music is damn good. It's just everything from story->mecha that completely sucks and makes the show average.
Fafner had some good characters and anybody who actually watched the show can attest to the fact that the music is damn good. It's just everything from story->mecha that completely sucks and makes the show average.
Ok if you honestly think Fafner is better than Rahxephon, then you're out of your fucking mind, and should probably abstain from ever giving an opinion on a show for the rest of your life. Fafner had a really awful first half, but it did get significantly better, and more or less redeemed itself in the last 3-4 episodes (specifically ep 23). But, creating characters with a specific intent on killing them within a few episodes, just to get some sort of emotional reaction from the audience sucks, just so we can watch these kids grovel and lament theire fate and cry, lets wallow in the angst!! The character development drastically improved in the second half, characters became likeable, deaths became impacatful. When the new writer showed up, the difference was definitely notable.
For sure Fafner had an Excellent soundtrack and fantastic OP/ED (Which aren't by kotoko, duckroll) no denying that.
But the mech design was HORRID. Holy shit, although a few of them were "neat" the majority were just awful. Lanky, unoriginal just...ugh
If the show had kept its pace from the first half, I'd have no qualms rating it an F, but the pick up through the second half elevated it to a solid B-. This show had me pretty conflicted throughout, but whatever...I was pretty satisfied at the end, and probably looking forward to the OVA
For sure Fafner had an Excellent soundtrack and fantastic OP/ED (Which aren't by kotoko, duckroll
) no denying that.But the mech design was HORRID. Holy shit, although a few of them were "neat" the majority were just awful. Lanky, unoriginal just...ugh
If the show had kept its pace from the first half, I'd have no qualms rating it an F, but the pick up through the second half elevated it to a solid B-. This show had me pretty conflicted throughout, but whatever...I was pretty satisfied at the end, and probably looking forward to the OVA
Bebpo said:
Ok here's one thing I *really* don't fucking get. People keep ranting on about how some shows "get better" or "the second half is AWESOME" and "once you get past 10 eps it's FUCKING AWESOME!" etc. That's all cockwash crapshit to me. Here's what I think, if there's a show you don't feel justifies spending 200 bucks on based on 3 eps, it's not worth watching at all period. That makes all discussions about quality much easier. If we had to judge everything based on how fun it is to watch for free, hell everything Gonzo is watchable! If I don't wanna pay for something, I won't bother to watch it either.
Shouta
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duckroll said:Ok here's one thing I *really* don't fucking get. People keep ranting on about how some shows "get better" or "the second half is AWESOME" and "once you get past 10 eps it's FUCKING AWESOME!" etc. That's all cockwash crapshit to me. Here's what I think, if there's a show you don't feel justifies spending 200 bucks on based on 3 eps, it's not worth watching at all period. That makes all discussions about quality much easier. If we had to judge everything based on how fun it is to watch for free, hell everything Gonzo is watchable! If I don't wanna pay for something, I won't bother to watch it either.
This folks, is why you see me jabbing duckroll all the time.
Oh and 5-8 episodes are a better gauge if you ask me. It's not too early but not too late for the cutpoint =P.
Youre honestly thinking its ok to judge an entire series based off 3 eps. In this day and age? Ridiculous. We americans, other westerners or asians may have no other legal choice of obtaining these shows aside from DVD, which is yes an investment, and yes let me remind you Anime is an expensive hobby, as I know youre well aware of duckroll ;P (unless all a person does is watch fansubs of course...) So no matter the quality of a show, for people buying with no prior knowledge, theres always a risk involved. Your point is moot I think. If people watch the first DVD and enjoyed it theyll continue, if not, drop it. Simple as that.
There will always be some form of investment for those who dont watch these show on fansubs, thats not going to change over here.
There will always be some form of investment for those who dont watch these show on fansubs, thats not going to change over here.
duckroll said:Ok here's one thing I *really* don't fucking get. People keep ranting on about how some shows "get better" or "the second half is AWESOME" and "once you get past 10 eps it's FUCKING AWESOME!" etc. That's all cockwash crapshit to me. Here's what I think, if there's a show you don't feel justifies spending 200 bucks on based on 3 eps, it's not worth watching at all period. That makes all discussions about quality much easier. If we had to judge everything based on how fun it is to watch for free, hell everything Gonzo is watchable! If I don't wanna pay for something, I won't bother to watch it either.
Now without reading all that, lets just get the facts clear. Did you watch 3 eps of Fafner? Did you even watch 1 ep?
I think you're right about judging stuff by the first 3 eps, but your "Fafner is shit! There cannot be redeeming parts!" isn't very nice.
Bebpo said:
I *think* I gave up somewhere in the 3rd ep, if not the 2nd. I definitely saw more than 1 ep.
Read what I said. I said it was average, and for me, that's bad enough. I don't tolerate shows that are "average", they have to be at least "good" to interest me to keep watching. Average anime is as bad as average games which is as bad as owning a DS. :lol
If I dropped stuff after the first 3 episodes... I would have never watched like 3 out of my top 5 animes of all time.
I mean like kenshin... dear god does it suck ass in the beginning.
even FMAlchemist, which I now absolutely love, I didn't really get into it until like episode 20.
All shows have a 'cutoff' point. A point where you once you get far enough, you can make an educated guess as to whether or not you will love the series as a whole. Shows almost NEVER have a cutoff point of 1 episode. For most stuff with a complicated story its 8-10. For more episodic stuff it can be shorter (like 4-5) and for rare cases it can be a pretty length wait. Alchemist, for instance, I ended up becomming disinterested 15 episodes in. But once I got bored and started watching it again it became one of my favorites.
Fuck, how many people would have ever watched gungrave if they were only allowed to base their opinion on the first episode?
I mean like kenshin... dear god does it suck ass in the beginning.
even FMAlchemist, which I now absolutely love, I didn't really get into it until like episode 20.
All shows have a 'cutoff' point. A point where you once you get far enough, you can make an educated guess as to whether or not you will love the series as a whole. Shows almost NEVER have a cutoff point of 1 episode. For most stuff with a complicated story its 8-10. For more episodic stuff it can be shorter (like 4-5) and for rare cases it can be a pretty length wait. Alchemist, for instance, I ended up becomming disinterested 15 episodes in. But once I got bored and started watching it again it became one of my favorites.
Fuck, how many people would have ever watched gungrave if they were only allowed to base their opinion on the first episode?
I have no problems with people that stop watching a show after 1-2 episodes, but its idiotic to think that your opinion of the show after 2 episodes is anything but grossly ignorant and worthless for discussion when people are talking about the series as a whole being quite good.
Crazymoogle said:...and you still haven't seen the last two episodes!
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I just did.
Awesome. Genius. Loved it.
I'd say Rahxephon is indeed 'Eva done right.' I think only the music, while great and does the job, isn't in the same as class as animation, character/mecha design, and story. Score: A or 9/10. That's one way how I feel about it.
I'm also sick of it. Every decent anime that ends in 'WHO AM I' for the last 2-3 episodes in some attemtp to look 'deep' and 'philosophical.' STFU already. Oh and it how could RahXephon be a good anime without a confusing ending that does NOT complete the story and leaves it to the fans to guess the ending.
I don't know. Is it possible to feel both ways at the same time? When I finished Cowboy Bebop and Eva it felt like I went on an info frenzy and couldn't forget about them for days. I'm already 'over' rahxephon minutes after it ended (don't care wtf happened *let me guess: everybody dead, new beginning, new world?*), and I can tell you it's right there with CB and EVA. Maybe I'm burned out on anime. It's been a while since I've actually enjoyed one like I did when I first got into it. Or I'm getting used to the endings abuse.
Smiles and Cries
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Speed Grapher ep3
OWNED ME!
Damn what a great anime this is turning out to be
OWNED ME!
Damn what a great anime this is turning out to be
Crazymoogle
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Chrono said:Awesome. Genius. Loved it.
Blah, agree to disagree, whatever. The music where
most of the pilots are killed
I'm also sick of it. Every decent anime that ends in 'WHO AM I' for the last 2-3 episodes in some attemtp to look 'deep' and 'philosophical.' STFU already. Oh and it how could RahXephon be a good anime without a confusing ending that does NOT complete the story and leaves it to the fans to guess the ending.
You're a little burned. RahX did basically solve all of the questions, and the philosophical elements made sense as I recall. So probably an overdose of failed shows caused a false positive. I'd prescribe three episodes of Keroro Gunsou for recovery, with some supplemental Ah! My Goddess eps just to keep a good frame of mind.
I'm...probably not the guy to talk to for a balanced ending opinion. You've read my rages against ending abuse countless times. -_-;
Crazymoogle
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There's an unsatisfactory episode of FMA?
hkk said:
They never explained exactly what is 'tuning of the world' and what happened just after quo and ayato 'merged.' Why did ayato destroy the ship and murder nearly all his friends when he merged with rahxephon? It just happened? Haruka and Itsuki are both dead, but we see them alive at the end. And what about everybody else? did the 'tuning,' whatever it is, ' wipe out humanity? And again what happened to the countless mu ships and ayato's mother? Exactly why did they invade earth - just to make sure the 'tuning' happens? They did all of this for mankind? Exactly what are mu and why was asahina killed when ayato destroyed a dolem? Do mu's exist as both humans and dolems/bio-machines?
I don't think it resolved everything. :'(
Smiles and Cries
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Futakoi Alternative 2 is out
Crazymoogle
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duckroll, could you answer that one? Wasn't there a ton of AOD threads covering it awhile back?
Heh, never realized until today why exactly Yakitate! Japan sounds so good; the composer is Taku Iwasaki, who most anime watchers would easly recognize from Read or Die, WHR, Now and Then, and the Kenshin OVAs.
Heh, never realized until today why exactly Yakitate! Japan sounds so good; the composer is Taku Iwasaki, who most anime watchers would easly recognize from Read or Die, WHR, Now and Then, and the Kenshin OVAs.
Smiles and Cries
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Futakoi Alternative is just hella strange wtf was ep 2 about sheeesh
Since Im a Junior Member and cant make own threads I will hijack this one with my anime related question. Some time ago I finished Is and Video Girl Ai (manga though) and since then I havent seen/read a single good romance anime/manga. But I do obviously like the genre. Question is, what good romance animes/mangas are out there? I have seen (and read) Love Hina & Onegai/~~~ and didnt really enjoy them. Same goes to Maison Ikkoku (spelling?). But there has to be some good ones out there right? The romance part doesn't need to be the major thing in the anime/manga in question; it just has to be there.
Smiles and Cries
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El_Victor said:
I have read I"s
What I am reading right now that are just as good
Ichigo 100% (my favorite: this is a little frustrating to read)
Pastel
Open Sesame (I like this one)
Ai Yori Aoshi
Shouta
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I would not recommend KareKano (to anyone but that's beside the point) for romance purposes. It's not good in that respect IMO. I would go with Marmalade Boy, Kimagure Orange Road, or Hana Yori Dango for something in the same genre (or close proximity) to I"s (yuck) and Video Girl Ai (yay!).
Smiles and Cries
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how good is Video Girl Ai? I'm still looking to read it.
Haru Yo Koi (rocks)
Haru Yo Koi
(rocks)
Smiles and Cries
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is Video Girl Ai complete and licensed?
I don't really buy mangas as much as just reading online
Since I have never found Video Girl Ai, I would like to buy it.
I planned to start a collection anyway
I don't really buy mangas as much as just reading online
Since I have never found Video Girl Ai, I would like to buy it.
I planned to start a collection anyway
Chrono said:
I can't remember everything about the ending to RahXephon, but I remember thinking it was wrapped up pretty nicely--but yeah, things could've been explained better.
And I always thought that was Haruka and Ayato at the end--remember, Itsuki and Ayato are twins. Also, from what I understood, the mu were aliens that were trying to take over the world and "tune" it to suit their will, but Ayato chose Haruka (and the humans) over the mu (and his mother) ~ that's what I understood from one of the last scenes with them at school as children.
Try watching Rahxephon: Pluralitas Concentio--it's an alternate telling of the series, but I think some points were better explained.
Shouta
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The VGAi manga is licensed SAC, I think it's complete too.
I wouldn't recommend KareKano because I think its romance aspect is at times overwrought, hammy, and unbelievable. It's partially due to preference that I don't like it but also due to execution. I prefer romance shows to be a lot more subtle about character interactions and more profound in how the characters interact with each other through events. I think that's what makes a great romance series or a romantice comedy. That aside, I think KareKano's approach spends too much time monologuing about it (and their own personal quirks) in a manner that's totally unbelievable and unengaging to a viewer. Hell, I think the show is more character study (and not even an interesting one) than romance or romantic comedy. The other series mentioned provide a much more interesting and satisfying experience overall.
I wouldn't recommend KareKano because I think its romance aspect is at times overwrought, hammy, and unbelievable. It's partially due to preference that I don't like it but also due to execution. I prefer romance shows to be a lot more subtle about character interactions and more profound in how the characters interact with each other through events. I think that's what makes a great romance series or a romantice comedy. That aside, I think KareKano's approach spends too much time monologuing about it (and their own personal quirks) in a manner that's totally unbelievable and unengaging to a viewer. Hell, I think the show is more character study (and not even an interesting one) than romance or romantic comedy. The other series mentioned provide a much more interesting and satisfying experience overall.
Smiles and Cries
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I just got the complete Love Hina and Video Girl Ai mangas
this should keep me busy for the next few days
this should keep me busy for the next few days
Better than WINGMAN????? Seriously though, Katsuras one of my favorites, but yeah overall I"s is probably his weakest effort. It certainly is no DNA^2 :lolShouta said:
You defintely need to catch up on Zetman Shouta, it's pretty fucking great, you can tell he's finally doing something that hes enjoying, as opposed to I"s, the art is fantastic, great characters, the whole deal really. The original short story wasfine back then, but man if I knew he'd be doing this based on that? Oh man.
basilisk 02 - still awesome, but this episode was a lot slower than episode 1.
futakoi 02 - I didn't like this as much as one. It seemed to lose a lot of its insanity and replace it with confusion. I really have no idea what happened in this episode.
izumo 02 - I still don't entirely see where this is going... and the fight with the bugs was just bland. Prolly gonna keep watching just to see where it goes.
speed grapher 03 - ugh... I liked episodes 1 and 2 but 3 was just stupid. I just have a hatred for lame abilities I guess. I was hoping this would be another monster... but now I severely doubt it.
tsubasa chronicle - I... like the music
futakoi 02 - I didn't like this as much as one. It seemed to lose a lot of its insanity and replace it with confusion. I really have no idea what happened in this episode.
izumo 02 - I still don't entirely see where this is going... and the fight with the bugs was just bland. Prolly gonna keep watching just to see where it goes.
speed grapher 03 - ugh... I liked episodes 1 and 2 but 3 was just stupid. I just have a hatred for lame abilities I guess. I was hoping this would be another monster... but now I severely doubt it.
tsubasa chronicle - I... like the music
I think the '80s kitsch and clearly self-consciously decadent overall atmosphere should be dead giveaways that Speed Grapher is not supposed to be taken 100% seriously.slayn said:
It's sort of serious but at the same time coyly self-aware that its story is completely ridiculous. I mean, just look at that crazy dancer, or as I like to call him, Evil Luffy. That guy makes as little real world sense as Saiga's ability does.
It's meant to be absurd, but it takes its absurdity very seriously. At least that's my take on it.
I'm still not thoroughly convinced that I actually really like Speed Grapher, but I'm pretty sure by now that I'm in for the long haul.
Man, I can't believe anyone could dislike Karekano. Along with FLCL and Eva: Death^2 it's the best thing Gainax has done. The directing and music alone make it a show no one should miss, and the writing is excellent (thanks to being literally 1:1 with the manga). Karekano is easily one of my top3 shows and plus it has the best
in anime.
sex scene
Dead said:
I think it's really well structured and executed artistically. Plus it has the best music of all the Eva stuff
When I feel like watching some Eva now and then I just pop in Death and watch it. I do like the 2nd hour of EoE almost as much, but I'm not a fan of sitting through the first hour.
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Bebpo said:
I'll give you Death but I didn't like FLCL (KareKano is in an above post so no need to reiterate =P) much. FLCL was a case of just not clicking with me at all. There's just something about it that I don't like besides the voice-acting (which was grating to my ears). Then again, most Gainax shows really don't click with me. The last one I thoroughly enjoyed from them was Nadia.
Oh yeah it was definitely structured beautifully, all the way up to the fantastic segue to the end credits. But I'd easily rank EoE as Gainax's best, but then again EoE is one of my favorite films. Best Eva music = Expansion of the Blockage. Godly.Bebpo said:I think it's really well structured and executed artistically. Plus it has the best music of all the Eva stuff
Nadia and Eva are two of my favorite shows of all time, so those rank as my favorite from them by default.
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