I'm kinda confused about that when i think about it she is supposedly
22 at the start of the anime series (20 in the manga), however flashbacks indicate she first met him at around 16 or 18? and when they got married he died shortly after like around a few months or a year
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Not so sure what age she was when they got married though mmm
I'm kinda confused about that when i think about it she is supposedly
22 at the start of the anime series (20 in the manga), however flashbacks indicate she first met him at around 16 or 18? and when they got married he died shortly after like around a few months or a year
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Not so sure what age she was when they got married though mmm
I think they were married for a year. And when she visits Soichiro's grave with Yusaku when she first moved in, a year had passed. So, in total, two years from Soichiro's death to her becoming manager of Maison Ikkoku.
This level of bad writing does happen sometimes in this genre, certainly, but it's not always as bad, or as nonsensical, as it is in IS... as I've said all along the show is below average for its genre in terms of writing quality, and yeah that is saying something.
That's generous of you. If I were to rank the writing quality of IS, it'd be something like this: if the best writing quality of the genre is average at best (5/10), then within it's own scale, IS writing would be very bad (2/10) since I'm generous too.
trejo said:
Oretachi ni Tsubasa wa Nai 2
A couple of minutes in and jesus christ on a cracker what the fuck is going on here!
I think this is now the most none-too-subtle sexual innuendo show of the season.
I think they were married for a year. And when she visits Soichiro's grave with Yusaku when she first moved in, a year had passed. So, in total, two years from Soichiro's death to her becoming manager of Maison Ikkoku.
So basically if those dates there are right, if the stories are otherwise the same, in the manga they marry when she's 16 or 17 (he dies when she's 18, they had been married for a year, met sometime before that), but in the anime she's 18 or 19 when they marry, so whether it's really creepy or just kind of messed up depends on which version you are looking at? Great.
Halcyon said:
There is no abuse in CLAMP's relationships. Only TRUE LOVE.
I thought the whole storyline was messed up so I never bothered to do the math of when she had kids (More like i didn't want to), I just think it's a completely unnecessary point in the storyline which would have worked the exact same if she was 18 because ya know, you can be 18 and be in high school, although there's still that Student x Teacher, abuse of position thing going on.
Yeah, that makes sense... don't think about it because of how messed up it is and move on in the series. Unfortunately I can't do that.
On the 'unnecessary' point, yes, I agree and said so -- it's so wrong, but it's also bizarre because it'd have been so easy to do it in a way that was much less bad. They pretty much did the opposite for whatever reason.
Also, yeah, the laws about studentxteacher (abuse of power) overrides age -- it doesn't matter if the highschool student is 18, I'm pretty sure, as long as the other person is in a position of authority over them like that it's still illegal.
Geneijin said:
That's generous of you. If I were to rank the writing quality of IS, it'd be something like this: if the best writing quality of the genre is average at best (5/10), then within it's own scale, IS writing would be very bad (2/10) since I'm generous too.
I'm mostly just being cautious because harem show writing is so often so bad that I don't want to overstate how bad IS's is in the context of its genre. Also I can think of plenty of ways that it could have been worse, conceptually and scenario-wise...
But in terms of pure writing quality and coherence, those other concerns aside, yeah that 2/10 is well deserved and might indeed be generous.
So basically if those dates there are right, if the stories are otherwise the same, in the manga they marry when she's 16 or 17 (he dies when she's 18, they had been married for a year, met sometime before that), but in the anime she's 18 or 19 when they marry, so whether it's really creepy or just kind of messed up depends on which version you are looking at? Great.
I actually liked how the whole story took place over 5 years in the anime instead of the 7 of the manga, the idea of all that shit happening in 7 years feels very unrealistic to me, it at least feels somewhat closer to reality in the anime.
Speaking of which, have you watched AnoHana yet? I think it'd be something you like.
I'm mostly just being cautious because harem show writing is so often so bad that I don't want to overstate how bad IS's is in the context of its genre. Also I can think of plenty of ways that it could have been worse, conceptually and scenario-wise.
But in terms of pure writing quality and coherence, those other concerns aside, yeah that 2/10 is well deserved and might indeed be generous.
I actually liked how the whole story took place over 5 years in the anime instead of the 7 of the manga, the idea of all that shit happening in 7 years feels very unrealistic to me, it at least feels somewhat closer to reality in the anime.
Why is there always a damn fine line between being kind and being stupid in anime? Toya gets led off a cliff by fake Sakura, ends up hanging off the cliff while fake Sakura just watches the ledge crumble, proceeds to fall off this cliff (lets ignore him surviving a fall which real Sakura needed the fly card to get to the bottom), and then we find out that he already knew that fake Sakura was fake Sakura the moment he laid eyes on her, oh and he gets away with just an "injured" leg.
It looks like the cards are going to step up their game, and a new character looks to be arriving.
Oh and while the subject of Cardcaptor relationships is still hot, I know Toya generally dogs on Sakura's cooking (don't know whether he's putting up a front or not), but I'm hoping him feeding Yukito (litteraly him putting the fork in Yukito's mouth) isn't foreshadowing anything and I'm just overreacting.
Do you mean to imply that only Miyazaki can tell a coming of age story? (Obviously you don't) They may be similar in structure but making the protagonist rather older, having no fantasy elements and telling a much longer story means that by the end I feel the stories will be quite dissimilar.
Once I manage to piece together a fully functioning computer again... (in a few days hopefully I'll have one that doesn't have hardware problems keeping it from running, doesn't have a virus on it that means I'd rather not hook that one up to the internet, and didn't lose all sound and directdraw and more thanks to a crash that deleted needed system files... but right now I have three, each with one of those problems. :lol)
Point taken. Every season has the potential to upset IS easily. It really says a lot if that's true.
But even so, I did agree that it was below average for the genre though, which might not be strong enough, I admit; it is probably worse than that, on the merits of its awesome terribleness. But it's a genre that's so often so bad, don't pretend that IS is a complete outlier. Maybe its success somewhat is, but its "quality", less so, sadly enough. (though I must say, it'd probably have been much less entertaining if it was actually competently written... :lol)
Halcyon said:
I can't think of any abusive CLAMP relationships off the top of my head. Surely X has something along those lines, it has everything after all.
Do you mean to imply that only Miyazaki can tell a coming of age story? (Obviously you don't) They may be similar in structure but making the protagonist rather older, having no fantasy elements and telling a much longer story means that by the end I feel the stories will be quite dissimilar.
It might, but so far it's not wowing me. I'm only judging based on what's out. I do enjoy it, however, even if it doesn't resonate with me as much as AnoHana does.
But, I'm not necessarily convinced that AnoHanayadayada is mono no aware yet. It depends on how much it's focused on the "tragedy" and how much it's focused on dealing with the present.
But, I'm not necessarily convinced that AnoHanayadayada is mono no aware yet. It depends on how much it's focused on the "tragedy" and how much it's focused on dealing with the present.
I'm only judging based on what I've seen so far. I thought Hanairo was going to go the Mono no Aware route until they shipped Ohana out of town and into the mountains. Ano Hana, on the ther hand, pretty much ramped the Mono no Aware to 10 in the first episode.
I'm only judging based on what I've seen so far. I thought Hanairo was going to go the Mono no Aware route until they shipped Ohana out of town and into the mountains. Ano Hana, on the ther hand, pretty much ramped the Mono no Aware to 10 in the first episode.
Ano Hana 01:
Great Show. I can see why people find Menma annoying, but like others have said it will probably be tuned down in later episodes. That aside, while Hanasaku Iroha is great, this is easily my favorite show of the season.
So I finished Nana the other day. Some people in here said it was supposed to not be a romantic comedy, yet I found every episode funny. >:|
Loved it though. Great score, story, characters, the works. Now was there supposed to be a second season, but it got cancelled or something?
So I finished Nana the other day. Some people in here said it was supposed to not be a romantic comedy, yet I found every episode funny. >:|
Loved it though. Great score, story, characters, the works. Now was there supposed to be a second season, but it got cancelled or something?
They have plans to make a second season, but they are waiting until the manga is done, which seems unlikely at this point, since the author was sick last or so i heard.
Superbly done. This show has the kind of whimsical quality you'd expect of a movie, and I can't complain about a thing. Even just judging from the start it seems to have all the makings of a classic. It's one of those anime you can't even say much about, because the only way you can put it into words is "Well, that was excellent."
But..
AnoHana 1
I like this more, and I haven't the faintest clue why. I thought the ending to the episode was great, the childhood backstory and subsequent flashbacks are surprisingly not annoying (or perhaps Menma is just more annoying). The main character seems kind of flat in the first episode, but from the few small glimpses that were drawn out of him (interactions with old friends) and the interesting history he has, I just really want to see more. Am I being suckered, GAF? IS THE MONO NO AWARE SUCKERING ME!?
Poor guy. That said, I didn't suffer through Kanon 2002. I'll down this Dr. Pepper in front of me in your memory and G's, I didn't know him but I'm sure he suffered?
A Black Falcon said:
Yeah, but how many people would find it even MORE confusing if there weren't at least those summaries saying what had just happened?
What do you mean MORE confusing? Last Exile wasn't "confusing." The ending was the only confusing part and all the recaps in the world prior to the ending wouldn't change that, there are things they never explained that may irk people but of what the viewer was shown there's nothing confusing about Last Exile, just things left out and never expanded upon and a shit ending. If someone needed help keeping track of what was happening then, then, then, I don't know, they shouldn't be watching episodic content.
A Black Falcon said:
In my opinion it's definitely got the best chance of being show of the season, yes.
It's amazing getting a diverse range of opinions and I find it endearing but it is puzzling at times.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AnoHana's team is on the rise, I like to think it was with my bold declaration that turned the tide but who am I to take away from the great taste and the courage displayed by our new members who so boldly declared their loyalty in spite of a larger adversary? Big Damn Heroes, all of 'em.
Once I manage to piece together a fully functioning computer again... (in a few days hopefully I'll have one that doesn't have hardware problems keeping it from running, doesn't have a virus on it that means I'd rather not hook that one up to the internet, and didn't lose all sound and directdraw and more thanks to a crash that deleted needed system files... but right now I have three, each with one of those problems. :lol)
But even so, I did agree that it was below average for the genre though, which might not be strong enough, I admit; it is probably worse than that, on the merits of its awesome terribleness. But it's a genre that's so often so bad, don't pretend that IS is a complete outlier. Maybe its success somewhat is, but its "quality", less so, sadly enough. (though I must say, it'd probably have been much less entertaining if it was actually competently written... :lol)
Like have you checked out Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi this season? Very standard harem stuff.
firehawk12 said:
But, I'm not necessarily convinced that AnoHanayadayada is mono no aware yet. It depends on how much it's focused on the "tragedy" and how much it's focused on dealing with the present.
I thought Naruko would already convince you of it.
mAcOdIn said:
AnoHana's team is on the rise, I like to think it was with my bold declaration that turned the tide but who am I to take away from the great taste and the courage displayed by our new members who so boldly declared their loyalty in spite of a larger adversary? Big Damn Heroes, all of 'em.
Eh, when you're prepared for everything everything seems like all talk, unfortunately since I'm already on the opposing team and thus can't defect I can't really say "bring it."
I like Ano Hana and I like the premise of it more but after two episodes of Hanasaku Iroha the latter just seems better produced and the story seems more cohesive so far.
To be fair to Ano Hana though I've only seen one episode of it vs Iroha's two.
Such an odd phrase. It implies that victory is all but assured however invoking the "man enough" card really spells out that victory is anything but assured.
Geneijin said:
So we're really going this far? Then I'll make the OT.
Such an odd phrase. It implies that victory is all but assured however invoking the "man enough" card really spells out that victory is anything but assured.
I like Ano Hana and I like the premise of it more but after two episodes of Hanasaku Iroha the latter just seems better produced and the story seems more cohesive so far.
To be fair to Ano Hana though I've only seen one episode of it vs Iroha's two.
