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Spring 2011 Anime Thread of ZAWA ZAWA, Money, emo Cyclops, and fun^10xint^40=Ir2

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Wiktor

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Nichijou 01 - mediocre so far. Plenty of standalone pieces, but very very few of them actually funny. It's kind of Azumaga in style, only cuter, but also far less funny. This disconnected format isn't my favorite one, but I still enjoyed plenty of anime like this, Nichijou will have to work harder to keep be occupied.

Those two fragments were awesome though:
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I'm also almost done with wrapping winter shows. the ones I finished so far are

Infinite Stratos - meh finalle aside from some cool battle pieces. This show always was trash, but it's entertaining trash only when it focuses on the nonsense harem storylines. I had suprisignly lot of fun during S1, but I'm not sure if I would like to watch second season of that.

Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? - they really went into nutty mode in the last episode. Didn't make up for the nonsense drama before though.

Index II - I really liked the last arc. This show is always best when focusing on espers instead of magic. Accelerator is such a great character. Too little Misaka though. Mediocre show overall, but I'm sure if they make 3rd season I will come back. I just can't stop following it for some reason.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
kamorra said:
I hope that this is not too much offtopic but could you guys please recommend me some good stuff I missed? This is what I already have:
Right now I'm watching Death Note for the first time which I really like. I also love science-fiction stuff like GitS.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for specifically. Evangelion maybe?
 

Fireblend

Banned
kamorra said:
I hope that this is not too much offtopic but could you guys please recommend me some good stuff I missed? This is what I already have:

Right now I'm watching Death Note for the first time which I really like. I also love science-fiction stuff like GitS.

I see no Planetes in that list. No Evangelion either, but the lack of Planetes is still the biggest offense in my eyes.
 
Fireblend said:
I see no Planetes in that list. No Evangelion either, but the lack of Planetes is still the biggest offense in my eyes.
just throw a screw in the air film it and play it back in slow motoin and be done with it


you should watch Planetes if you haven't
 

Jex

Member
Glass Fleet 1: I don't see what everyone finds so amusing. There's nothing wrong with Gonzo Presents: Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

Introduction and Themes


Let's look at the themes presented in this first episode: we have freedom vs. restraint, class struggle, religion, seeming, duality, tradition, gender oppression and the nature of aristocracy. Look at how diverse that thematic mix is considering how little time they had to cram it all in. Let’s not forget how this show attempts to reflect on historical situations and the character work that lay down (briefly) in this episode.

So far, the themes of class struggle and the aristocracy have taken centre stage, but it's best for a show to be clear what its main theme is. True, they're tackling it in a fairly traditional manner, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

History: The greatest story


Historically, the vast majority of people in a society where oppressed by a tiny majority that exercised complete control over their lives, This was the way of life for most people and while they may not have liked their lot in life they tended to get on with things regardless. Meanwhile, those on the higher levels of society tended to be distanced (often literally, as in geographically) from those people who spent their whole lives working to make a civilisation run. They were the cogs in the machine, and the nobles at the top often saw them as less than people.

Class struggle: A theme for much of the human experience

Glass Fleet demonstrates that perfectly when we see how a simple wedding ceremony requires the labour of large numbers of men and how those who are being wed aren't affected by the suffering of the common man. Indeed, they don't even notice it. Of course, with all the work being done by the commoners the nobles led a lazy lifestyle where they weren't required to do any work themselves, which would led to them becoming overweight. Glass Fleet shows not only the effects on the diet of a noblemen, but we see how psychologically disinterested they are in the events that surround them, even a battle. This is because they know someone else will do all the hard work.

A smaller scale


Many ancient peoples didn't like in huge countries of course, they occupied a polis (which is Greek for 'city-state), a small area with it's own laws and army and trade. They would specialise in whatever was available locally, which we find perfectly replicated in Glass Fleet. The accuracy of this show is actually a little surprising, I must say it’s like a history lecture come to life, even if it's disguised in this fantasy sci-fi show.

Upon closer inspection

Of course, that’s just an overview of the shows major themes, the really interesting stuff comes from digging below the surface.

For example, let’s talk about Michel. The writers manage to use her to represent a wide variety of different thematic elements. To start with, she’s a woman who has taken the guise of a man to lead a rebellion. We are of course reminded of she the classis shoujo manga heroine Oscar from the Rose of Versailles who was a clear inspiration for this figure. Bold, strong, flamboyant, selfless, cunning and a leader to her men, she’s the perfect symbol for freedom.

Seeming

Thematically she manages to represent the concept of seeming better than any other character. She seems to be a man, but she’s actually a women. She appears as a priest, but really she’s a revolutionary figure!

Religion and Oppression

This last one is important, because religion and conformity and tradition where often used as tools to oppress and sate the people. As Marx said, religion is the opiate of the people. More over, those people in religious positions would benefit from keeping the people down and exploiting them because it gave them power, so it’s no surprise that religious persons were often connected with the ruling class. They were very useful in that respect because the word of God could not be challenged. It was absolute.

We see Michel as the figure of conformity, the tool of oppression. She even mentions tradition in the wedding ceremony. The priest-figure lodges no complaint about the suffering off those under the wedding ceremony. Through this, the creators have shown that religious persons were complicit in the exploitation of the people. Michel, however goes on throw off the garb of authority and aligns herself with the people. This is her true role.

Duality

As fascinating as Michel is, the possibility nevertheless remains that her maid, Sylua, is an equally interesting figure.

Rather than switching from one allegiance to another, as Michel does as when she changes outfits, Sylua manages to represent two conflicting ideas within one character.

At first glance she’s a maid. A simple servant figure, traditional, obedient, repressed, loyal to the aristocracy, in short everything that Michel is not. Yet at the same time she’s a fighter, a warrior for the rebellion, for the people. At first the audience is led to think that it’s a disguise, but towards the end of the conflict we see her grab the tea trolley and bring it onto the carriage. Upon seeing this the viewer may question why such a seemingly innocuous scene was placed in the middle of an attack. Upon further reflection it becomes clear that we see her grab the trolley because it shoes that she continues to accept that role as servant. It’s part of her, just the same as the part of her that’s trained in combat. Perhaps, by having both halves within her, she represents the possibility of reconciliation between the forces of aristocracy and the forces of the people?

I have much more to say, but I’ll save it for subsequent episodes. I didn't even get a chance to touch on the beautifully ironic use of fireworks, which traditionally represent celebration but here this meaning is subverted by their message of surrender and defeat. It's really quite clever.
 

kamorra

Fuck Cancer
firehawk12 said:
I guess it depends on what you're looking for specifically. Evangelion maybe?

Fireblend said:
I see no Planetes in that list. No Evangelion either, but the lack of Planetes is still the biggest offense in my eyes.

I somehow missed to add Evangelion. I like SciFi & Blade Runner-esque stuff like GitS or Akira. Also thriller or post apocalyptic fiction. Planetes sounds good.
 

Branduil

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Jexhius said:
Glass Fleet 1: I don't see what everyone finds so amusing. There's nothing wrong with Gonzo Presents: Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

Introduction and Themes


Let's look at the themes presented in this first episode: we have freedom vs. restraint, class struggle, religion, seeming, duality, tradition, gender oppression and the nature of aristocracy. Look at how diverse that thematic mix is considering how little time they had to cram it all in. Let’s not forget how this show attempts to reflect on historical situations and the character work that lay down (briefly) in this episode.

So far, the themes of class struggle and the aristocracy have taken centre stage, but it's best for a show to be clear what its main theme is. True, they're tackling it in a fairly traditional manner, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

History: The greatest story


Historically, the vast majority of people in a society where oppressed by a tiny majority that exercised complete control over their lives, This was the way of life for most people and while they may not have liked their lot in life they tended to get on with things regardless. Meanwhile, those on the higher levels of society tended to be distanced (often literally, as in geographically) from those people who spent their whole lives working to make a civilisation run. They were the cogs in the machine, and the nobles at the top often saw them as less than people.

Class struggle: A theme for much of the human experience

Glass Fleet demonstrates that perfectly when we see how a simple wedding ceremony requires the labour of large numbers of men and how those who are being wed aren't affected by the suffering of the common man. Indeed, they don't even notice it. Of course, with all the work being done by the commoners the nobles led a lazy lifestyle where they weren't required to do any work themselves, which would led to them becoming overweight. Glass Fleet shows not only the effects on the diet of a noblemen, but we see how psychologically disinterested they are in the events that surround them, even a battle. This is because they know someone else will do all the hard work.

A smaller scale


Many ancient peoples didn't like in huge countries of course, they occupied a polis (which is Greek for 'city-state), a small area with it's own laws and army and trade. They would specialise in whatever was available locally, which we find perfectly replicated in Glass Fleet. The accuracy of this show is actually a little surprising, I must say it’s like a history lecture come to life, even if it's disguised in this fantasy sci-fi show.

Upon closer inspection

Of course, that’s just an overview of the shows major themes, the really interesting stuff comes from digging below the surface.

For example, let’s talk about Michel. The writers manage to use her to represent a wide variety of different thematic elements. To start with, she’s a woman who has taken the guise of a man to lead a rebellion. We are of course reminded of she the classis shoujo manga heroine Oscar from the Rose of Versailles who was a clear inspiration for this figure. Bold, strong, flamboyant, selfless, cunning and a leader to her men, she’s the perfect symbol for freedom.

Seeming

Thematically she manages to represent the concept of seeming better than any other character. She seems to be a man, but she’s actually a women. She appears as a priest, but really she’s a revolutionary figure!

Religion and Oppression

This last one is important, because religion and conformity and tradition where often used as tools to oppress and sate the people. As Marx said, religion is the opiate of the people. More over, those people in religious positions would benefit from keeping the people down and exploiting them because it gave them power, so it’s no surprise that religious persons were often connected with the ruling class. They were very useful in that respect because the word of God could not be challenged. It was absolute.

We see Michel as the figure of conformity, the tool of oppression. She even mentions tradition in the wedding ceremony. The priest-figure lodges no complaint about the suffering off those under the wedding ceremony. Through this, the creators have shown that religious persons were complicit in the exploitation of the people. Michel, however goes on throw off the garb of authority and aligns herself with the people. This is her true role.

Duality

As fascinating as Michel is, the possibility nevertheless remains that her maid, Sylua, is an equally interesting figure.

Rather than switching from one allegiance to another, as Michel does as when she changes outfits, Sylua manages to represent two conflicting ideas within one character.

At first glance she’s a maid. A simple servant figure, traditional, obedient, repressed, loyal to the aristocracy, in short everything that Michel is not. Yet at the same time she’s a fighter, a warrior for the rebellion, for the people. At first the audience is led to think that it’s a disguise, but towards the end of the conflict we see her grab the tea trolley and bring it onto the carriage. Upon seeing this the viewer may question why such a seemingly innocuous scene was placed in the middle of an attack. Upon further reflection it becomes clear that we see her grab the trolley because it shoes that she continues to accept that role as servant. It’s part of her, just the same as the part of her that’s trained in combat. Perhaps, by having both halves within her, she represents the possibility of reconciliation between the forces of aristocracy and the forces of the people?

I have much more to say, but I’ll save it for subsequent episodes. I didn't even get a chance to touch on the beautifully ironic use of fireworks, which traditionally represent celebration but here this meaning is subverted by their message of surrender and defeat. It's really quite clever.
I knew you wouldn't be able to resist an anime as peerless in quality as Glass Fleet.

Geneijin said:
One can only imagine the level of Stockholm Syndrome necessary for his daughters to avoid constant nausea.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
kamorra said:
I somehow missed to add Evangelion. I like SciFi & Blade Runner-esque stuff like GitS or Akira. Also thriller or post apocalyptic fiction. Planetes sounds good.


Hrm, Gunbuster/Diebuster maybe?
I'm pretty much tapped out. :lol
 
kamorra said:
I somehow missed to add Evangelion. I like SciFi & Blade Runner-esque stuff like GitS or Akira. Also thriller or post apocalyptic fiction. Planetes sounds good.
Rahxephon?
maybe Bubblegum Crisis?
 

Iadien

Guarantee I'm going to screw up this post? Yeah.
Star Driver's ending wasn't that bad. With the amount of crap anime that comes out, it was a decent series.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Uchip said:
I know im late
but I saw the first ep of wandering son
I like the art style
all i can say right now
Were you put off by the shininess? That's what everyone seems to say when they first watch it!
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Uchip said:
Nah
I like the high exposure style
Hah, fair enough. :)

pieatorium said:
I got jumped on so hard for making fun of the shiny :(
Defense force assemble? I can't remember how I felt, but I don't think I would have jumped on ya. I just remembered that everything was just full bloom before I just accepted it and stopped noticing it.
 
firehawk12 said:
Hah, fair enough. :)


Defense force assemble? I can't remember how I felt, but I don't think I would have jumped on ya. I just remembered that everything was just full bloom before I just accepted it and stopped noticing it.
well I did say that welding goggles are a required accessory for the show or something along those lines.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
pieatorium said:
well I did say that welding goggles are a required accessory for the show or something along those lines.
Were you the one who had to turn down the brightness on their TV/monitor? :lol
 
firehawk12 said:
Were you the one who had to turn down the brightness on their TV/monitor? :lol
no lol i was just taking the piss, I actually enjoyed the show a fair bit but didn't talk much about it in the thread as I just didn't feel there was much to say.
 

duckroll

Member
Star Driver Ep25 (End)

What is this I don't even....

I asked for 23 minutes of awesome mecha action, and that's exactly what I got. But last I checked, Gurren Lagann didn't have an ep28, so wtf did I just watch?!
 

Steroyd

Member
pieatorium said:
I got jumped on so hard for making fun of the shiny :(

I remember making a comment about the shiny shiny when the first episode rolled out, but it's basically being blinded at first then your eyes start to adjust to the brightness.

firehawk12 said:
The first season was "social" Sawako with touches of romance, the second season is "romance" Sawako with touches of sociability. But yeah, the difference is pretty fine. And of course, if you were reading it as a single text as a manga, that shift would be much more subtle without having the artificiality of a season break to make that delineation (instead, you'd get manga arcs I suppose).

I'm pretty sure the manga had this whole season covered back when season 1 aired, unless the manga has been uneventful all this time they could have shifted the story further than they have done.

firehawk12 said:
I'll be the eternal Sawako defense force, it seems. :lol

I like KnT more when it does more of episode 11 than episodes 5-10 where the angst artificially stretches itself to the point of annoying, but that would be the equivalent to admitting that I like To Aru No Index. >_>
 
Dresden said:
Oh, Nana to Kaoru is out? The manga blows. Doubt the OVA will be any different.
heh
pieatorium said:
And I just did a search and Nana to Karou is indeed an adaptation of the manga I was thinking of. Dresden will love it because
both leads are very Tsundereish, at least publicly to eachother
 

Jex

Member
duckroll said:
Star Driver Ep25 (End)

What is this I don't even....

I asked for 23 minutes of awesome mecha action, and that's exactly what I got. But last I checked, Gurren Lagann didn't have an ep28, so wtf did I just watch?!
I don't know. There was some pretty sweet action, when Wako kept her mouth shut.

Serious plot question: If Sugata got into Samekh just to seal it, and Samekh doesn't work without Sugata, why not just...never get it in?
 

Cwarrior

Member
Dresden said:
Oh, Nana to Kaoru is out? The manga blows. Doubt the OVA will be any different.

lol wtf I Googled that, I got some chapter with a girl getting one of those tablets put inside her butt.
 

Jex

Member
7Th said:
Jesus Christ, what are the odds? The new Beelzebub ending has direction and animation direction by the Yasuomi Umetsu we were talking about a few pages ago.
Wow, speak of the devil.

He really loves girls doing dance moves and making the 'heart' symbol with their hands. It's quite the trademark.
 

JKTrix

Member
duckroll said:
Let me stop you right there. Lol.
But I must!
Jexhius said:
If Sugata got into Samekh just to seal it, and Samekh doesn't work without Sugata, why not just...never get it in?
The 'marks' can be transferred to other people, like his child if he ever had one. It's not 'Only Sugata', it's only the one with the King's mark. So, if he died with it, his mark wouldn't have been passed on to anyone else.

But it was more fun to watch it get broken.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Steroyd said:
I'm pretty sure the manga had this whole season covered back when season 1 aired, unless the manga has been uneventful all this time they could have shifted the story further than they have done.
For better or for worse, the anime has been a straight up adaptation. They've been doing one chapter per episode. :lol

I like KnT more when it does more of episode 11 than episodes 5-10 where the angst artificially stretches itself to the point of annoying, but that would be the equivalent to admitting that I like To Aru No Index. >_>
You need the buildup to make the denoument meaningful! Of course, 11 had very wacky/fast pacing as well. It really felt like they were rushing through material just to get to the events of episode 12 (and Kurumi goodness).
 

Jex

Member
K-On!! 12: Festival edition - so where's all the drugs?
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Oh yes, I never talked in any depth about Le Portrait de Petit Cossette 1. In essence, it was very confusing. Shinbo's cutting to unrelated or disjointed images was perhaps harsher in this episode than in any other show I've seen him direct.

What I mean is - there weren't any establishing shots. Or even shots that link scenes to other scenes. Or even shots that linked two parts of the same scene. At least, I think it was the same scene. As I mentioned above, it was extremely aggressive.
 
Jexhius said:
I don't know. There was some pretty sweet action, when Wako kept her mouth shut.

Serious plot question: If Sugata got into Samekh just to seal it, and Samekh doesn't work without Sugata, why not just...never get it in?
Serious plot question: Had Bones told us the reason why Head is so young? Is it his first phase?
 

Steroyd

Member
firehawk12 said:
For better or for worse, the anime has been a straight up adaptation. They've been doing one chapter per episode. :lol

Why would they do that!? This isn't One Piece. D:

You need the buildup to make the denoument meaningful! Of course, 11 had very wacky/fast pacing as well. It really felt like they were rushing through material just to get to the events of episode 12 (and Kurumi goodness).

There's buildup and then there's builduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppp. Episode 11 flowed nicely, and had everything from Pin to Sawako being Sadako etc.
 

JKTrix

Member
Hypertrooper said:
Serious plot question: Had Bones told us the reason why Head is so young? Is it his first phase?
That's what they infer. I'm glad they didn't spell out everything. There are several characters who don't concretely say what their first phases are. A lot of the time when it's brought up it's someone else saying 'I guess X is their first phase ability'. Like Takuto's at the end.
 

flawfuls

Member
Hanasaku Iroha

That was great, easily show of the season so far and I could see it being the best show of the year. Oh and it's not a cute girls doing cute things show at all, it's a drama.
 

7Th

Member
Great episode with seriously amazing animation; it wasn't the surrealistic Enokido-style ending I expected, but it as still really fun as a traditional super-robot ending.

Bros before hoes ending was definitely better than any resolution they could have given to the love triangle.
 

duckroll

Member
I like how every single line in the final episode was deliberately meant to make no sense whatosever. Every scene is a troll on the series, and basically says "we don't give a fuck, we made a bad show, enjoy the animation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" lol
 

7Th

Member
The funniest part of SD 25 was that they gave no resolution whatsoever to the much hyped Sarina/entropeople subplot.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Steroyd said:
Why would they do that!? This isn't One Piece. D:
Well, it worked for season 1 anyway. Shoujos are nothing without their long, deliberate internal monologues. :lol

There's buildup and then there's builduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppp. Episode 11 flowed nicely, and had everything from Pin to Sawako being Sadako etc.
11 was the release of tension; the air being let out of the balloon. Perhaps people would like the show if it was all like that, but the flip side is that 11 wouldn't have had any impact at that point. Note how it was loaded with chibi-Sawako (which is a personal favourite of mine) and silly gags.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
7Th said:
The funniest part of SD 25 was that they gave no resolution whatsoever to the much hyped Sarina/entropeople subplot.
Fuck resolution if everything could have been as good as 25 was.
 

duckroll

Member
Hanasaku Iroha Ep1

Wow, that was really good. The writing and flow is very smooth and yet unexpected. Very refreshing direction and narrative. I really enjoyed it. It moved very fast, and introduced the characters really well while going through a range of emotions. The personality of the main character is very unique too. Reminds me a lot of elements of Summer Wars and Kuragehime. I really hope PA Works doesn't drop the ball as the series continues.
 

JKTrix

Member
duckroll said:
Hanasaku Iroha Ep1
This wasn't even on my radar, but after watching it I was impressed. I was getting some Ristorante Paradiso vibes (a girl thrust into a foreign situation because of her runaway mother), with a 'grow up' theme probably closest to Spirited Away. Definitely on my watch list.
 

Steroyd

Member
firehawk12 said:
Well, it worked for season 1 anyway. Shoujos are nothing without their long, deliberate internal monologues. :lol

Season 1 would have been a fair amount better if it stopped where Season 2 stopped.

11 was the release of tension; the air being let out of the balloon. Perhaps people would like the show if it was all like that, but the flip side is that 11 wouldn't have had any impact at that point. Note how it was loaded with chibi-Sawako (which is a personal favourite of mine) and silly gags.

More like breathing for air after being near drowned, i'll stand by that I feel the build up, tension and pay off could have been handled in a nicer shorter timeframe.

Hanasaku Iroha 1

Was not expecting it to head in the direction it did, and no wonder the mum bailed/kicked out from the grandma, and I did get that Spirited away vibe watching her work in the hot springs.

So much anime today waaah. @_@
 

Swag

Member
Star Driver 25
This was not the ending that I wanted, you can't hint at a Takuto Wako ending for the past 7 episodes then end it like that, you can't!. Animation was really good, but honestly the ending kinda blowed, way too convenient story elements to come to that conclusion. I'm sure no one is interested in discussing.




Sums it up pretty well.
 

Jex

Member
JKTrix said:
The 'marks' can be transferred to other people, like his child if he ever had one. It's not 'Only Sugata', it's only the one with the King's mark. So, if he died with it, his mark wouldn't have been passed on to anyone else.
Okay okay, so if that was his concern why not just commit suicide? That'd be plenty Japanese!
Sebulon3k said:
Star Driver 25
This was not the ending that I wanted, you can't hint at a Takuto Wako ending for the past 7 episodes then end it like that, you can't!. Animation was really good, but honestly the ending kinda blowed, way too convenient story elements to come to that conclusion. I'm sure no one is interested in discussing.
The plot has been stupid forever.

Robots hitting each other is awesome.

They made the right choice.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Star Driver 25 was the best ending the show could have possibly had. A+++ perfect in everyway. Going to be another 3-5 years before we see another single episode of a show that good. Great show is great; fuck the haters. Best Bones show since Eureka 7.
 
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