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Spring 2011 Anime Thread of ZAWA ZAWA, Money, emo Cyclops, and fun^10xint^40=Ir2

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iavi

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Aigis said:
Lucky Star is genuinely bad, though. I would call it the low point of KyoAni but those Key adaptations are pretty bad too..

Anyways, the polarizing reception probably has to do with the type of humor the show uses. It's not for everyone.

Nu uh, I loved the shit out of Lucky Star, but I do agree with you on the other point; those Key adaptations have definitely been their low point, from what I've seen.

It'll be interesting to see what the general consensus is on Nichijou by the end of it.


tiff said:
Every show is polarizing on GAF.

Aha, this too.
 

Steroyd

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Miri said:
Was Lucky Star this polarizing? It's hilarious how everybody is either," This was hilarious," or "I couldn't even crack a smile." There's, seemingly, no real middle ground to be had.

That's Gaf in a nutshell, the only way we would ever become a collective over something is the combined hatred of something terribad say... Glass Fleet.
 

Swag

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Steroyd said:
That's Gaf in a nutshell, the only way we would ever become a collective over something is the combined hatred of something terribad say... Glass Fleet.
Or the awesome-ness of Madoka?

I don't think its that good
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Sebulon3k said:
Or the awesome-ness of Madoka?

I don't think its that good
Madoka fans greatly outnumber the people who think it's pretty average-to-bad, but we still exist.

All 4 or so of us :(
 

iavi

Member
Sebulon3k said:
I don't think its that good

me neither


icarus-daedelus said:
Even the so-mono-no-aware-it-hurts argument for season 2 is more plausible, although !! mostly just struck me as more boring and drawn-out than the first season with a bit of sentimentality added in for good measure.


My exact sentiment. I watched all of the first season, trudged through it with a group of people, but ended up enjoying a few scenes here n there. The second, I tried, but found it focus on sentimentality a huge turn-off after only a few eps in. I couldn't care less about those girls, and them trying to get me to failed hard.
 

Nonoriri

If your name is Nonoriri you have to go buy Nanami's tampons.
icarus-daedelus said:
I guess I never bought that K-On's great direction was the reason to watch it or place it on some kind of moerrific pedestal; direction has to be in service of something substantive or else it's just a wash. K-On could have the greatest shot composition and blocking of all time and it would still never rise above being a cute show about girls eating cake and drinking tea.

Good direction is substance.
 

Dresden

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Aigis said:
Madoka fans greatly outnumber the people who think it's pretty average-to-bad, but we still exist.

All 4 or so of us :(
Don't worry, the backlash will swell your ranks once the show ends in November.
 

7Th

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Hana-saku Iroha episode 1 was very enjoyable, but I'm honestly not sure they can keep it up for 25 more episodes, specially since we're talking about P.A. Works...
 

Jex

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tiff said:
Every show is polarizing on GAF.
Not like this. This episode is literally polarizing, in that it's split the viewership (for the most part) into two very distinct groups at either end of the entertainment spectrum.

Most shows we discuss here fit at different places all along the spectrum.
 
Jexhius said:
Not like this. This episode is literally polarizing, in that it's split the viewership (for the most part) into two very distinct groups at either end of the entertainment spectrum.

Most shows we discuss here fit at different places all along the spectrum.

Am I the only middle ground guy here? I didn't think it was hilarious, but I didn't think it was totally unfunny either. Probably not gonna watch more though in a season as good as this.
 

flawfuls

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7Th said:
Hana-saku Iroha episode 1 was very enjoyable, but I'm honestly not sure they can keep it up for 25 more episodes, specially since we're talking about P.A. Works...

Oh it's 25 episodes? Awesome.
 

Jex

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icarus-daedelus said:
Even as an honorary member of the KDF, I feel like Nichijou is immediately more fun and likable than K-On ever was, so it's weird for me that there are people who'd find the former more boring. But opinions, assholes, etc.
Once again, it comes down the type of humour they're employing. For a sizeable number of people it falls completely flat. At which point random, unconnected (but pretty) events are happening on-screen for no reason.
icarus-daedelus said:
I guess I never bought that K-On's great direction was the reason to watch it or place it on some kind of moerrific pedestal; direction has to be in service of something substantive or else it's just a wash. K-On could have the greatest shot composition and blocking of all time and it would still never rise above being a cute show about girls eating cake and drinking tea.
How else is one supposed to rate vapid moe shows but by the quality of the direction and productions, as we all know they won't have any character or story? Or, unless you're saying how it compares to works in other genres, but then I feel that such a comparison isn't necessary. It's unlikely someone's going to come out and say K-On is infinitely superior to Mushi-Shi.

If you handed the 4-koma for K-On to BeeTrain you'd have something unwatchable. This seems to be a fact. So, if we assume the 'substance' (ha) for the first season is the events in the manga, then the direction is the other, and very important part, of that equation.

For example, Azumanga Daioh is another 4-koma adaptation but with fairly sketchy production values. I found parts of that show actually funny, which wasn't really the same as my experience with K-On! (1). At the same time, they really went on to stretch the material for scenes that went on far too long in many cases, making them a little dull. At which point, better direction would help.

icarus-daedelus said:
Even the so-mono-no-aware-it-hurts argument for season 2 is more plausible, although !! mostly just struck me as more boring and drawn-out than the first season with a bit of sentimentality added in for good measure.
Eh, I don't think so. I feel it's far superior to the original season, which isn't saying a lot because as fun as K-On! (1) was, it was completely and wonderfully empty.

They filled the void with 'slice of life' stuff and 'slightly more characterisation'.
 

Swag

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icarus-daedelus said:
You act like you're the first person to have a less-than-glowing opinion of Madoka here. It's a split down the middle as much as anything.
What gave you that impression? I see more favorable then unfavorable posts, but that maybe because the unfavorable aren't as vocal about their opinions.

Edit: Actually I was under the assumption everyone loved that show, but could be just memories of the OT and this thread blending.

Hard to differentiate the posters are all the same.
 

Jex

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Sebulon3k said:
Edit: Actually I was under the assumption everyone loved that show, but could be just memories of the OT and this thread blending.
From the OT, I estimate at least 45 other members like the show. That's an easy majority of the posters.
Cwarrior said:
I hear nana karou is about bdsm but its not hentai, how does that work, makes little since to me
I never got around to it but I'm gonna guess the answer is: by being boring.
 
Miri said:
Was Lucky Star this polarizing? It's hilarious how everybody is either," This was hilarious," or "I couldn't even crack a smile." There's, seemingly, no real middle ground to be had.
I'm not sure. I think that the high volume of otaku humor in Lucky Star hurt it for some people though, Nichijou isn't like that... but apparently some people don't find it funny, I don't know why. I'm not sure if it's as good as Azumanga Daioh or Excel Saga, as those are probably my two favorite comedy animes, but it's certainly pretty good.

Oh, as for KyoAni, their Key adaptations are quite good, and Lucky Star is too. Their weakest thing? Of what I've watched of their stuff, probably K-On. If I'd actually watched it, though, I'd guess I'd say it's Endless Eight.

It's all just about opinion about how much you like each series though, all KyoAni shows are well produced.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Naw, there are a few Madoka haters. I can understand why, certainly. But to the people who like it, it's basically what The Shield was to cop show nerds.

And Jexhius sort of stole my post about K-On!! so yay.

Meanwhile, I think I'm the only one still somewhat vested in Bakuman so I decided to watch the finale after 15 weeks of not caring. It's still essentially exposition for manga nerds and not about anything... and somehow this got a second season? Yerk. At least the ED song is still catchy.

A Black Falcon said:
Oh, as for KyoAni, their Key adaptations are quite good, and Lucky Star is too. Their weakest thing? Of what I've watched of their stuff, probably K-On. If I'd actually watched it, though, I'd guess I'd say it's Endless Eight.
Lucky Star better than K-On! ? No way...
 

Instro

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Cwarrior said:
you win good sir win, this truly the most deceptive

I hear nana karou is about bdsm but its not hentai? how does that work, makes little since to me

It doesnt show any nudity. I watched it earlier, weird show.
 

iavi

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A Black Falcon said:
It's all just about opinion about how much you like each series though, all KyoAni shows are well produced.


It really is. KyoAni's penchant for consistency is unmatched. I didn't like K-ON!! at all, but was blown away by the jump in production values from K-ON! - K-ON!!, and K-ON! was already better produced than most.



firehawk12 said:
Lucky Star better than K-On! ? No way...

Oh yeah.
 
firehawk12 said:
Lucky Star better than K-On! ? No way...
Lucky Star is far better than K-On. K-On was just so irritatingly vapid, with nothing there other than manufactured cuteness, that I just could not watch any more of it after six or eight episodes, and stopped. The entire thing felt like an exercise in gaining popularity among anime fans, which worked brilliantly... except that was all it was. Lucky Star, though, was a very good comedy series. Every episode was funny, pretty good stuff. It has an odd sense of humor sometimes, but it was almost always funny. :)

As I said, sure, K-On's well made, like all KyoAni shows, but that doesn't mean I'd say it's worth watching...

Oh, and again I haven't watched Clannad, so when I mentioned their Key adaptations I meant Kanon 2006 and Air.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
A Black Falcon said:
Lucky Star is far better than K-On. K-On was just so irritatingly vapid, with nothing there other than manufactured cuteness, that I just could not watch any more of it after six or eight episodes, and stopped. Lucky Star, though, was a very good comedy series. Every episode was funny, pretty good stuff. :)

As I said, sure, K-On's well made, like all KyoAni shows, but that doesn't mean I'd say it's worth watching...

Oh, and again I haven't watched Clannad, so when I mentioned their Key adaptations I meant Kanon 2006 and Air.
So weird, your complaints about K-On are mostly why I don't like Lucky Star. I mean, for all the emptiness of K-On!, it's at least better than the pastiche reference porn of Lucky Star.
 

duckroll

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7Th said:
Hana-saku Iroha episode 1 was very enjoyable, but I'm honestly not sure they can keep it up for 25 more episodes, specially since we're talking about P.A. Works...

Maybe they've been secretly animating it for 10 years. Lol.
 

tiff

Banned
Hanasaku Iroha 1 was pretty good. It's cool to watch a show about normal people doing normal things every once in a while. Especially one like this that seemed fairly well-written.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
You act like you're the first person to have a less-than-glowing opinion of Madoka here. It's a split down the middle as much as anything.

I don't think that's fair. There are a few Madoka haters, but the show seems to be overwhelmingly well liked. People who dislike it are definitely in the minority.
 

Jex

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tiff said:
Hanasaku Iroha 1 was pretty good. It's cool to watch a show about normal people doing normal things every once in a while. Especially one like this that seemed fairly well-written.
Man, you must live a tough life.
 

Nonoriri

If your name is Nonoriri you have to go buy Nanami's tampons.
icarus-daedelus said:
Direction is so nebulous a term for me, though. Production values are comparatively easy to pin down. I'm not really sure if I can come up with an adequate definition, other than a director being the ultimate arbiter of decisions, but even that has its exceptions. It feels like a lot of the time that when people are talking about direction they're really speaking to the editing and cinematography of a film or tv series, which are admittedly strongly influenced by the director. Maybe that's my real problem here. I'm so bad at arguing, I overthink things to the point of forgetting what the hell point I was originally trying to make, lol.

Direction = Storyboarding = Scene composition
 

duckroll

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Nonoriri said:
Direction = Storyboarding = Scene composition

Well that's not always the case. Ideally, and in most of the best examples, the director does indeed storyboard what he is directing as well. But that's not always the case. Often the episode director, the series director, and the episode storyboarder, are totally different people. Let's not forget the director of photography as well, who would be the chief compositor.
 

Lafiel

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Naw, there are a few Madoka haters. I can understand why, certainly. But to the people who like it, it's basically what The Shield was to cop show nerds.
Sorry but comparing madoka to the shield is personally offensive.:p it's closer to shows like LOST, in that most of their appeal lies into the excitement of wanting to see what happens next, and of course both shows have a similar level of overanalyzation going on through both their fan bases.:)
 

Jex

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icarus-daedelus said:
You could just as easily be describing K-On here if it weren't for the fact that it has more of a connecting thread to bind the scenes together than Nichijou, but the former is vastly less exciting and energetic than the latter on its best days.
It’s not some minor difference, it’s a completely different style of comedy. A joke in Excel Saga is fundamentally different to a joke in Legend of the Galactic Heroes to a joke in The Wire to a joke in Urusei Yatsura (well, it depends).

A show that I can describe as: a robot walks into a dude and explodes and stuff falls on this silly girl who eats food dramatically and then a girl shoots a frisbee and then there’s a guy on a goat and then there’s a dude giving a speech and then someone gets shot and then… it’s a very particular style. It's not an uncommon form in anime comedies, but it's still very distinct from other variations on the comedy show.
icarus-daedelus said:
I find K-On enjoyable, but to call it funny is kind of being really generous; I think I laughed out loud once or twice per season. What little humor they attempt couldn't be flatter most of the time.
If I was watching it as some kind of comedy, I’d probably turn it off for failing to keep me entertained. But I don’t approach it in that manner.

I disagree about the humour too. I think the show attempts some overt jokes (Yui is singing in a silly way! Haha) which I don’t enjoy, but it also does more ‘natural’ humour, like when the girls are all lying in one room and trying to get to sleep. One person says something, and then another replies, and someone else finds it funny while trying to shut the first girl up because everyone’s really trying to get to sleep. There’s no one ‘punchline’ to that scene, it’s amusing because I’ve had that exact same situation when sleeping in a room with my friends.
icarus-daedelus said:
Filling it with "slice of life" stuff in this case just feels like vastly extending the length for no real reason. This just kind of adds to the general dullness of that show. There's not enough added characterisation to justify it being twice the length, buuuuuuuuut the sentimental tear-jerking at the end does kind of work okay for what they're trying to do. So I can kinda see how someone would respond to that.
So, you’re admitting it’s like Aria?
icarus-daedelus said:
Direction is so nebulous a term for me, though. Production values are comparatively easy to pin down. I'm not really sure if I can come up with an adequate definition, other than a director being the ultimate arbiter of decisions, but even that has its exceptions. It feels like a lot of the time that when people are talking about direction they're really speaking to the editing and cinematography of a film or tv series, which are admittedly strongly influenced by the director. Maybe that's my real problem here. I'm so bad at arguing, I overthink things to the point of forgetting what the hell point I was originally trying to make, lol.
This has been brought up before, but often I use direction as shorthand for ‘everything’. For instance: mise-en-scene, sound, photography, storyboarding, camera movement (cinematography), editing, pace, flow, lighting and so on (I do talk about animation and writing separately). How much control the actual director has varies from show to show as in -
duckroll said:
Well that's not always the case. Ideally, and in most of the best examples, the director does indeed storyboard what he is directing as well. But that's not always the case. Often the episode director, the series director, and the episode storyboarder, are totally different people. Let's not forget the director of photography as well, who would be the chief compositor.
In many cases I’ll single out a particular thing to discuss – like the use of sound in Ghost Hound or the use of editing in Bakemonogatari. If all those above things happen to be good, I’ll just write ‘direction’ rather than knock off that full list. In the case of K-On! (and K-On!!) all those things are through the roof, hence I don’t bother splitting them up.
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
Hanasaku Iroha 1: Is 2011 the year of great anime drama?
Wait so it's actually a slice-of-life drama? and it's running for 25-episodes? this might be my personal show of the season, especially if it keeps up the level of quality it supposedly had in the first episode.
 

trejo

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Hanasaku Iroha 1

This was pretty great. And it really is not about cute girls doing cute stuff at all. This one seems to have some actual substance to it. Definitely gonna be watching some more.

Friendzone'd dude at the beginning was pretty funny.
 

duckroll

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Lafiel said:
Wait so it's actually a slice-of-life drama? and it's running for 25-episodes? this might be my personal show of the season, especially if it keeps up the level of quality it supposedly had in the first episode.

26 episodes. It's PA Works' big 10th anniversary show, and their brand new IP, and they're putting everything they have behind it.
 

iavi

Member
Seeing the Warner Brothers intro at the beginning of the Gintama movie weirded me out. First time for everything, haha.

Are War-san and Ner-san trying to break into the foreign market?
 

B.K.

Member
Star Driver 25

It was a pretty good finale, but I hate how it was left open at the end.
So Sugata and Takuto are going to die in space or do they make it back to Earth, somehow?
I really wish the show hadn't had so much filler. If you cut all the filler out of it, the show probably would have been less than ten episodes long.
 

Dresden

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cosmicblizzard said:
You wouldn't be saying that if you knew how much it hurts.
If only I could fall in love with two men at once.

Star Driver 25:

Lots of pretty lights and action, enjoyed it. I've watched fifteen or so episodes of Star Driver and I still don't give a fuck for any character other than Kanako--and that's more of a vague admiration for her boobs.

Surprisingly dark ending though. Sugata is going to 'cry in rage' as gravity spools them in back to Earth.
 

Jex

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B.K. said:
Star Driver 25

It was a pretty good finale, but I hate how it was left open at the end.
So Sugata and Takuto are going to die in space or do they make it back to Earth, somehow?
I really wish the show hadn't had so much filler. If you cut all the filler out of it, the show probably would have been less than ten episodes long.
Plot? Huh? All I see is a Gunbuster reference.
 

iavi

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B.K. said:
Star Driver 25

It was a pretty good finale, but I hate how it was left open at the end.
So Sugata and Takuto are going to die in space or do they make it back to Earth, somehow?
I really wish the show hadn't had so much filler. If you cut all the filler out of it, the show probably would have been less than ten episodes long.

Did Bones really end that shit on the same note as E7?
 

duckroll

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Dresden said:
"Do you know how much it hurts to be deeply in love with two guys at once?"

Oh, Wako.

Shut the fuck up.

It almost sounds like she's complaining about the pain and difficulty she has walking, the day after she does a hardcore double penetration threesome with Sugata and Takuto.
 
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