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Spring 2011 Anime Thread PART TWO return of sex hair, ghosts, and ZAWA
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Not about lolis, no. Prominently featuring lolis as the main character's sidekicks? Yes.Jexhius said:
I admit I stopped at like episode seven or something because it was just too much of a generic pokemon/yugi-oh like battle anime to me. The character design and setting were nice and the main draw for me initially, but that wasn't enough to keep me watching what seemed to be another shounen underdog story.
Instro said:
She looks to be about same age as our protagonist, which is young as hell. He's supposed to be a freshman in college, but his appearance doesn't reflect that at all. I'd even say that they initially skewed younger with msyu to pull that audience, then after that, made the main guy appear younger so that the discrepancy wouldn't be as noticeable.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
No, it's really not. It's bad writing, just like with AnoHana, and exactly like AMC's version of The Killing.Steroyd said:
I think the corollary is that original anime is a bad idea and that anime companies should just stick to doing adaptations, where all the issues and kinks have already been worked out.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I'm surprised that firehawk can still do that to you Jexhius!
firehawk12
Subete no aware
He does it to me all the time, I just don't respond to it. :lol:InfiniteNine said:
Again, as someone who defended the bondage and the Tohru chase and the two episode arcs, I don't care about the contrivances. I just think the last episode was a poorly scripted and tonally inconsistent mess that went out of its way to perform some kind of emotional torture porn for a payoff that already came from the last episode where she was sick.Branduil said:
I mean, I don't even care about the cliffhanger/plot since it's going to all be resolved next week anyway (in some fashion), I just think as a piece of fiction, it just fell flat on its face.
firehawk12 said:
You're not usually this wrong are you, firehawk? The current crop of anime producers do need a good bit of help, but damn the idea that they give up trying. You really want to live in a world where it's capable for you to have already been spoiled on the plots of every show produced? A real waste of the medium there.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I haven't bothered with C, but AnoHana and Iroha feel like they suffer from the problem that plagues US television - writers making shit up as the season progresses because they didn't take the time to think the whole thing through in detail.Miri said:
firehawk12 said:
That they definitely do. It's kind of sad that it's come to a point of most, myself included, finding scraps of enjoyment in horribly written shows like Hanasaku Iroha, and Anohana then deeming them good enough, because the usual is so fucking bad, we've learned to shut up and glorify the occasional alright that's given to us.
Still, I wouldn't jump the shark. I'd take a million and two HanaIro's over a world void of original content.
jman2050 said:
It's prevalent everywhere, that's obvious. Some circles suffer worse than others though, and I don't think that he meant to say they don't by excluding them in his example.
Jex
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Really? Really? That's a rather hyperbolic statement, I feel. Yami is horribly written. Arjuna is horribly written.Miri said:
Contrivance is far from the worst sin a writer can commit. If it's a contrivance that furthers nothing than I can certainly see why someone would have trouble with it, but that wasn't the case here.Branduil said:
hosannainexcelsis
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I swear, it's like there are two shows with the same name that we're getting confused. I am flabbergasted the reaction to Hanasaku Iroha is this divided.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess my point would be that in an adaptation, they have a chance to turn shit into gold. K-On!! being the easy example.
That's not to say adaptations can ruin original works or the other variations of possible outcomes - but none of the original shows this season have hit it out of the park for me.
Even though in hindsight I think Madoka was pure panderbait, I appreciate the craft in that show. But most original animes tend to veer toward the Fractale side of the scale. Although, I guess one argument is that all anime is shit anyway, regardless of whether it is original or adapted.
That's not to say adaptations can ruin original works or the other variations of possible outcomes - but none of the original shows this season have hit it out of the park for me.
Even though in hindsight I think Madoka was pure panderbait, I appreciate the craft in that show. But most original animes tend to veer toward the Fractale side of the scale. Although, I guess one argument is that all anime is shit anyway, regardless of whether it is original or adapted.
Jexhius said:
Not really. Hanasaku Iroha is horribly written when I compare it to the majority of literature that I've read, and I'm always reading.
And no, I'm not saying that you can't find enjoyment in it, cause I do, and when comparing it to the medium usual, I'd even say that it looks pretty damn good. But I fully stand behind the idea that if something truly great was to come along, most would quickly see it for the inconsistent mess it is.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Naw, Gintama is #1 based purely on manliness.
Branduil said:
Haha! I did sound a little like the master of the queer space didn't I?
Anyways, writing is writing. Dialogue is dialogue. Character development is development. Things don't change because they're being spoken by an avatar on screen rather than the one conjured up in your head to fit it, be...sides fitting to your spec.
which...then... might...make it better.
Fuck, I'm not up for this debate right now. Too much thinking.
firehawk12 said:
Awesome, a new member! You can join flawfuls and I over at the Team:GintalaiLama HQ.
Crash Station
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firehawk12 said:
If it were really #1, you would watch the 200 episodes preceding the current season
Jex
Member
Oh.Miri said:
I'm pretty sure most of Anime GAF have long enough memories to remember the last 'truly great' thing they saw and using those powers they can compare that work to Hansaku Iroha at any point.Miri said:
Essentially you're claiming that some recency bias has clouded the minds of everyone enjoying HI and that, if we'd all just pull back a bit to contemplate on the matter deeply we'd realise the error of our ways and agree that the show is weaksauce? Umm.
As a parting shot, I don't see many people claiming in their micro-reviews/impressions that the writing in HI is some paragon of excellence. They're saying they enjoy the show a great deal and there a number of reasons you might enjoy something besides writing. Especially in a visual medium.
hosannainexcelsis
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Miri said:
There are certainly many more masterpieces in literature to choose from than in anime, no arguments there. But "horribly written" should be reserved for narratives which are truly below average; if you admit that Hanasaku Iroha is above average, the worst it can be is mediocre. Even though I've had mixed feelings for Hanasaku Iroha, at its worst it hasn't dipped below average in my estimation.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I was shocked at the current arc without the benefit of 190 episodes of build up... I can't imagine how that would have hit a longtime fan.cosmicblizzard said:If it were really #1, you would watch the 200 episodes preceding the current season
Cosmic is our president!Miri said:
Crash Station
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firehawk12 said:
lol, I'm not even close to being caught up. Got about 130 to go.
Jexhius said:
What? Where are you even going with this? I said that the show is horribly written and inconsistent. It's badly written because it is incredibly inconsistent, and the pacing and escalation of important events has been abrupt because they wold have rather spent their time on close ups on moe moe ohane's lips, and war otakus. I've been absolutely clear about my stance, jex.
If something came along that had a general consensus of being nearly spotless, and was brought up in some hypothetical future time discussion involving a comparison to HanaIro, then yes, I believe that even some of HanaIro's staunchest defenders would then agree that it wasn't as deserving as you're making it sound. It's not all that hard to understand.
I also repeat that I'm not saying enjoyment can't be found. I'm enjoying it, after all.
And don't act as if anime-gaf is a bunch of old wisemen forty minutes from their grave. Memory recollection really isn't as you're hard making it out to be.
Uchip said:
Oh yeah, you Gintama hating mongrel. It's been pretty incredible, surprisingly.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You have so much shounen haato that you're caught up... in your heart.cosmicblizzard said:
Yep.Uchip said:
It's sad that nobody, other than Jex, is talking the most consistently entretaining show of the season. Out of 5 arcs, only one has been dull!
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