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Spring 2011 Anime Thread PART TWO return of sex hair, ghosts, and ZAWA
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We wirr find something erse to run into the ground eventuaryIzayoi said:
HanaIro 09 was great for various reasons.
First, Ko got a bit depressed, and that's a plus.
Then, as Ohana went back to the Inn, he was on the train going back home, and that crossing was awesome, another plus (a big plus).
Third, she managed to save the day and build her relationship with Tohru a little bit more, which should bring some drama for me in the future to enjoy.
Fourth, so little of Minchi's abominable voice in this episode!
First, Ko got a bit depressed, and that's a plus.
Then, as Ohana went back to the Inn, he was on the train going back home, and that crossing was awesome, another plus (a big plus).
Third, she managed to save the day and build her relationship with Tohru a little bit more, which should bring some drama for me in the future to enjoy.
Fourth, so little of Minchi's abominable voice in this episode!
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That was pretty damn good. Loved most of it, although I didn't agree with the ending. The music felt off at times as well - sometimes it just felt intrusive, filling up spaces where silence would've sufficed. Or that guitar riff
=spoilers for the ending=
I guess my problem with how it ends is that
That was pretty damn good. Loved most of it, although I didn't agree with the ending. The music felt off at times as well - sometimes it just felt intrusive, filling up spaces where silence would've sufficed. Or that guitar riff
after Makoto confronts Hiroka, which just sounded odd.
=spoilers for the ending=
I guess my problem with how it ends is that
throughout most of the movie it builds up this expectation that this is a temporary reprieve for Makoto, and that his stay will be cut short at some point, with his family being forced to suffer that same blow again. This assumption makes stuff like his encounter with Saotome all the more bittersweet, as he works for something that he'll never actually see, just for the sake of this friendship. Instead, well, what happens happens and I think it takes something away from all the events that happen throughout the movie. Things like his apology to Shoko, which was intended as a farewell of sorts, or the fishing trip, or his final conversation with Hiroka - they all lose that bittersweet edge, I guess.
What I did like, however, is that there wasn't a scene where Makoto and his mother have a heart-to-heart about her fling. Instead it was gently nudged aside as he came to an understanding with her over the hot pot, handled naturally without the need for a ton of melodrama; elegantly, I guess, rare in something like animu drama.
What I did like, however, is that there wasn't a scene where Makoto and his mother have a heart-to-heart about her fling. Instead it was gently nudged aside as he came to an understanding with her over the hot pot, handled naturally without the need for a ton of melodrama; elegantly, I guess, rare in something like animu drama.
Jex
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Actually it's originally mentioned thatDresden said:
if he does well enough with his 'loan' life then the body he's residing in won't die. Pura-Pura explicitly mentions that if he fails in his task, then the body will die. So we assume that if he completes his task the family won't have to suffer the same blow again. He doesn't explain what would happen if Makoto was successful though, as in, where would his soul go, and then where would the soul of the kid who committed suicide come back from?
In fact, it wouldn't make much sense for the story to proceed in another direction. Let's assume Makoto completes his task successfully. Wherein I suppose he'd be forced to depart and go...where? And why would the original suicide-e be given their life back? They hadn't worked through their issues like Makoto has done.
What's really clever about this plot device is that we never meet the 'original' Makoto, as it were. We don't flashback to him in any particular way. We are told a lot about his character via his dairy entries and the manner in which other characters respond to the "new" Makoto. But, even though we never met the 'original' the fact that the new Makoto is actually the old Makoto means that the actually developed as a person, he overcame the issues which troubled him and he grew substantially as a person.
The movie even drops a fairly heavy set of clues that they are the same. Pura-Pura makes some brief remark that Makoto 'always had a fragile heart' to the 'temporary Makoto', suggesting that they are similar people. The much more direct hint comes from the way 'temporary Makoto' acts towards his mother. During the course of the movie I kept wondering "why is he so furious with his non-mother?". I mean, clearly she betrayed the original Makoto's trust but I couldn't fathom why the temporary-Makoto was this pissed. As far as he knew, she wasn't actually his mother, she was some stranger who he happened to be living with. In such a situation his response seemed really extreme. But once it's revealed that the 'temporary' Makoto IS the real Makoto this his actions and anger and disgust make perfect sense.
It even works with Saotome. Temp-Makoto doesn't know that he's never had a friend, he isn't aware of his past life and he thinks that soon he'll be forced to leave. The fact that he works very hard for this friendship still counts in his and the movies favour because he acted under the original pretence that he'd never reap the reward, which shows what a good act it is. But when you add in the extra layer of understanding, that this is the original Makoto actually making his first real friend, it actually makes the events even more meaningful.
In fact, it wouldn't make much sense for the story to proceed in another direction. Let's assume Makoto completes his task successfully. Wherein I suppose he'd be forced to depart and go...where? And why would the original suicide-e be given their life back? They hadn't worked through their issues like Makoto has done.
What's really clever about this plot device is that we never meet the 'original' Makoto, as it were. We don't flashback to him in any particular way. We are told a lot about his character via his dairy entries and the manner in which other characters respond to the "new" Makoto. But, even though we never met the 'original' the fact that the new Makoto is actually the old Makoto means that the actually developed as a person, he overcame the issues which troubled him and he grew substantially as a person.
The movie even drops a fairly heavy set of clues that they are the same. Pura-Pura makes some brief remark that Makoto 'always had a fragile heart' to the 'temporary Makoto', suggesting that they are similar people. The much more direct hint comes from the way 'temporary Makoto' acts towards his mother. During the course of the movie I kept wondering "why is he so furious with his non-mother?". I mean, clearly she betrayed the original Makoto's trust but I couldn't fathom why the temporary-Makoto was this pissed. As far as he knew, she wasn't actually his mother, she was some stranger who he happened to be living with. In such a situation his response seemed really extreme. But once it's revealed that the 'temporary' Makoto IS the real Makoto this his actions and anger and disgust make perfect sense.
It even works with Saotome. Temp-Makoto doesn't know that he's never had a friend, he isn't aware of his past life and he thinks that soon he'll be forced to leave. The fact that he works very hard for this friendship still counts in his and the movies favour because he acted under the original pretence that he'd never reap the reward, which shows what a good act it is. But when you add in the extra layer of understanding, that this is the original Makoto actually making his first real friend, it actually makes the events even more meaningful.
In short I don't think it detracts any thing from the events of the movie, instead it actually makes them better.
InfiniteNine
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Mangaka got deathly ill and is still recovering.Articalys said:
A Black Falcon
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Yeah, how dare she have had relationships centuries ago, long before Japan developed its current virginity obsession or this guy was born? Unforgivable!zeroshiki said:
Trigun: Badlands Rumble
Not a bad movie for those looking for a fun way of wasting 90mins. It's pretty mindless, but the action ranges from decent to pretty good. Not many awesome set pieces, but it never gets boring. It does feel like a bit of a waste though. After years Madhouse does a theatrical Trigun, and it's just some extended side story which could easily have been a 2-3 episode filler arc in a TV series. But I guess considering the medium production values, it's probably more like an OVA instead.
I wonder if they'll ever do Trigun Maximum...
Edit: As a side note, it's kinda hilarious how Maaya is taking on all sorts of similar "badass chick" roles in the last few years. It's getting kinda dumb now, because I never really felt she was a good fit for any of those roles. Gundam SEED Destiny, World Destruction, Cobra, Canaan, Hellsing Ultimate, Final Fantasy XIII, The 3rd Birthday, Evangelion 2.0, Appleseed XIII, Trigun, the FMA movie, Blade. The list goes on! Lulz.
Not a bad movie for those looking for a fun way of wasting 90mins. It's pretty mindless, but the action ranges from decent to pretty good. Not many awesome set pieces, but it never gets boring. It does feel like a bit of a waste though. After years Madhouse does a theatrical Trigun, and it's just some extended side story which could easily have been a 2-3 episode filler arc in a TV series. But I guess considering the medium production values, it's probably more like an OVA instead.
I wonder if they'll ever do Trigun Maximum...
Edit: As a side note, it's kinda hilarious how Maaya is taking on all sorts of similar "badass chick" roles in the last few years. It's getting kinda dumb now, because I never really felt she was a good fit for any of those roles. Gundam SEED Destiny, World Destruction, Cobra, Canaan, Hellsing Ultimate, Final Fantasy XIII, The 3rd Birthday, Evangelion 2.0, Appleseed XIII, Trigun, the FMA movie, Blade. The list goes on! Lulz.
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I believe it's only suggested, not clearly stated. Not that the crazy otaku cared about the difference.Izayoi said:
duckroll said:
She's in Blade? Yikes.
I don't know whether it's a deliberate choice on her part or not - she does have a naturally quite low speaking voice, but I suspect she either chooses not to take kawaii uguu roles or she simply can't play them - the closest she's come is Kanon or Binbou Shimai Monogatari (neither of which I watched).
It's worth noting, of course, that between all these tough roles she's also playing characters like Rachel Berry on Glee (cluelessly self-obsessed weirdo), Chrona in Soul Eater, dubbing the lead actress in the glamorous K-drama Terroir etc. It's not like she has no range, but I do see your point.
Pure speculation but I suspect after Ouran a bunch of sound directors went "hey! someone other than Paku Romi we can cast in men's roles!" and she's just seized the opportunity.
BluWacky said:
Well, that can't be it. In Ouran she played a girl who pretends to be a boy. This resulted in her being cast in other boy roles such like Chrona and Ciel. I would imagine it's more likely that sometime around 2-3 years ago, her agency simply started looking for more "action packed" female roles for her to expand her range.
I'm not saying she has no range. I just feel that in trying to show that she has a much wider range, her choice of roles have unfortunately started to showcase to me that she isn't completely suited for one particularly type of role which she seems to be taking on more often now.
Originally when she first started out, her roles were that of the passive teenage heroine, who usually has a relationship with the male lead. Obviously it is good that as she grew up, she moved away from roles like that. But right now there are basically 3 types of Maaya roles - The boy-girl (Ouran, Black Butler, Soul Eater), the older female support role (FFVII, MacF, Star Driver, Tatami, Usagi Drop), and the badass chick (everything I mentioned above and more). Out of the three, I definitely feel that she should be building up on the former two, instead of the badass one. It doesn't really fit her voice, and often comes off as trying too hard, and makes the character less likable.
I actually wonder if the push for her to have more badass female lead roles is also part of the plan for her to play more videogame roles, since I hear they pay much better than anime roles. Hmmm... Jeanne, Aegis, Arisa, Lightning, Aya, BlackRock Shooter.... hmmm....
Jexhius said:
I'm not a big Trigun fan at all. I honestly don't really like the original series or manga much, but I really dig Nightow designs. His character, weapon, and world designs are really interesting, even if his writing and actual plotting usually sucks balls. Trigun and Gungrave are both good testimonies to this.
I wouldn't mind more Trigun, as long as there is good action direction, and the enemies are interesting, but I think what would really be interesting would be to have an all out reimagined climax to the story in theatrical animation format. Vash vs Knives with all the crazy insane nonsense and action they can come up with in feature film quality animation would be really awesome.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
So yummy! I need this game in me.duckroll said:
Jexhius said:
I agree. It wouldn't have made sense
if they weren't the same person. The resolutions with each of the characters would not have much meaning if it was some random stranger making the effort in place of Makoto. The whole point is to give him a (relatively) clean slate so that he could have the 2nd chance to make different choices in life.
Well this hasn't happened in a while, Animegaf exploding over something.
I believe it was the author that said that when asked the question (*sigh*), and then the nerdrage happened.
The only tag Uchip deserves is something on the line of "Hates loli's, loves furries"
Fuck why why WHY did I decide to savour Gintama and watch in batches, pre-war form? I need to watch this shit NOW, now I've got to magically find time from somewhere to catchup and I'm already a few eps behind on nearly everything else, time to PFP this shit. >_<
Izayoi said:
I believe it was the author that said that when asked the question (*sigh*), and then the nerdrage happened.
The only tag Uchip deserves is something on the line of "Hates loli's, loves furries"
Fuck why why WHY did I decide to savour Gintama and watch in batches, pre-war form? I need to watch this shit NOW, now I've got to magically find time from somewhere to catchup and I'm already a few eps behind on nearly everything else, time to PFP this shit. >_<
zeroshiki said:
bwahahaha
Uchip said:
What are you talking about? Nobody hates anyone in animeGAF. We all treat you exactly the same as we treat everyone else, only difference is that YOU CANT TAKE IT. You fly off the handle and start accusing everyone of being mean and insensitive and then bitched all over this thread and in IRC about anyone you thought had "wronged" you. I'm sorry, but we aren't going to stop being who we are just to fit your sensibilities.
Finished Uninhabited Planet Survive yesterday. It was a nice ride with a bunch of predictable, albeit enjoyable, turns. I think everything was tied up nicely (even if the explanation for
Luna's powers
even if it was a stock happy ending
Semi-marathoning it made the annoying characters stand out more than they probably should have. People like Howard you just wish death upon every episode and I'm sure the feeling wouldn't have been so strong if there was a week cool-down between each episode. All-in-all it I'd say it's worth watching, especially to fans of Lost.
I'm totally "over" it but it's a fun tag, seriously, I just added you to my 3DS friends list and I was so tempted to put your name as "It's spelled...," yeah I know, not the whole thing but I can't fit it, fucking Nintendo.Izayoi said:
I also added CosmicBlizzard and Jman since they were on the googledoc, any other Animegaffers that
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
duckroll said:
Then again she also played the super spacey Tyria in Ar Tonelico Qoga. So there's that.
Hellsing321
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Amazing how many people think everyone just has to memorize random numbers with friends codes. Don't get me wrong its a horrible system but its no worse then having a new phone number to share.mAcOdIn said:
Jex
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Phone numbers suck too. Screw em, they're outdated.Hellsing321 said:
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X-Men 10
Man, even though it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the show, the script for this episode was supremely terrible. Like, one guy would start doping some exposition, then another fellow would do some exposition on who the first guy is, then the first guy would resume his lengthy exposition lecture. All this in the service of supposedly "dramatic" revelations.
But the animation and the fights were pretty cool. That's the main thing.
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