Crash Station
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So Imaishi is doing a straight-up battle series, eh. Guess I'll have to rearrange my top 5 when it's over.
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Spring Anime 2013 |OT-8| What could be beyond OT-8? Possibility.
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Same could be said for Hyouka.
Crash Station
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Sounds like Hataraku Maou + Senyu + Hagure Yuusha.
It's true. By the time it got less boring, everyone probably stopped watching!
PdotMichael
Banned
But the original novel and manga of Hyouka and Nichijou got a big boost.
It's just sucky for KyoAni that not many people thought that paying millions of Yen for Nichijou or Hyouka is a good idea.
It's just sucky for KyoAni that not many people thought that paying millions of Yen for Nichijou or Hyouka is a good idea.
dakkumauji
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Though, less lewd (though almost everything is) than Hagure Yuusha. I found the first manga chapter to be pretty interesting at least.
Well, it was definitely more expensive than most shows, but let's remember that as an adaptation it exists primarily to sell the original novels, and on that count it was most certainly successful. Shows like Chihayafuru and TWGOK have gotten multiple seasons despite bombing on the sales charts, presumably because the production committees were happy with the advertising benefits alone.
Well KyoAni wouldn't be getting as much of a cut compared to their own material though. I'm not saying the whole project was in the red but I wonder how much KyoAni in particular benefited compared to Chuu24U or Tamako's Market.
Why no full information available yet for the most interesting magazine releasing on May, 10th?
Of course! All in all we peasants, mere-humans will delight us with their 'godly' animated works, as we serve them like the engineered audience & fans we really are...
Well Tamako Market is both an original property, and it sold far less than Hyouka, so I doubt it was anywhere near as profitable. But I think KyoAni would have gotten paid for Hyouka regardless of how it sold, it's the production committee that would be losing money.
Theonik
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He's the typical braindead harem MC. I find it very doubtful.
I don't have access to it.
Okay, I'm going to hold /XX/ down, and the rest of you can do the punching. >_<
It's just a bit overmelodramtic like most romance VN adapatations. That's a pretty accurate statement though since my favourite scene was the diminshing phone card conversation which I thought was really nicely done but was entirely unrealistic.
Chet Rippo
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That is the CG future you wanted, duckroll... isn't it beautiful? :'-)
O.K., O.K., I'll stop now...
I think this 'Imaishi The Troll' avatar is influencing me too much...
hosannainexcelsis
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Well, they're not living up to the production values of K-ON!'s second season and film, or Disappearance of Haruhi either, and those did sell very well. But of course, you are correct that high production quality is not what the market demands, unfortunately for myself.
KyoAni was on the production committee for Hyouka.
Yeah, I forgot about that, although it would still involve different expectations with an adaptation compared to an original work like Tamako.
Isn't that basically everything that airs on the CW?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess here's a question: Would you rather have a KyoAni that has something every season or a KyoAni that does two shows a year? I'm not sure, to be honest.
I don't watch The CW, but aren't they still making 90210 reboots and crap like that? lol
Two a year. That leaves room for two-cours shows, lol.
But yeah, if it's a question of quality over quantity (and I guess it isn't as clear-cut as that), I'd definitely go for quality.
Chet Rippo
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But all of those were made before Nichijou and Hyouka no? That would explain why they're of such high quality then.
And both of those are part of series that have already proven to be popular, so it's not like it was a huge risk for them to go all out on those shows.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It all started with Hyouka, really. I don't know if K-ON is to "blame" in terms of a massive success allowing them to have the capital, financial or otherwise, to basically start making a show a season.
Speaking of KyoAni, looking at their Wikipedia page, I saw that this thing - Sora wo Miageru Shoujo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai - came out right before K-ON!. Is it any good, or is that the last vestiges of Key-Ani?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The problem is that Tamako Market was also a bomb.
I wouldn't say that. They may seem busy now, but if I remember correctly, they were busier back in 2009. I'm pretty sure they were working on After Story, K-On, Haruhi 2009, and Disappearance around that time.
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That's Munto, if that tells you anything. It's basically Kigami's pet project. He wrote and directed the entire thing, and apparently (I stopped watching it after two episodes, to be honest), it wasn't very good.
Not really.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh right, I forgot all about Haruhi. lol
(Endless Eight is the studio's peak, surely!)
PdotMichael
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Not sure why people complain about the KyoAni's new way of pushing the in-house Light Novels.
It's not that the Key adapations were better than Chuu2 or Tamako for example.
It's not that the Key adapations were better than Chuu2 or Tamako for example.
Not sure why that matters, if we're talking about the supposed reduction in craftsmanship. They've had disappointing sales before, and they've been busier before.
What I was thinking of was The Beautiful Life from a few years ago, which was about beautiful models doing beautiful things which is probably as close as you can get in Western TV to a show about bras.
Also, the CW is notorious for casting only the most beautiful 20 year olds they can in their shows, which is as close as you really get to fanservice.
hosannainexcelsis
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Yeah, like Chuunibyou S2.
I'd proclaim that this is the funniest shit I've seen all week, but Valvrave has yet to air.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If Chuu2 is successful and they can half ass it, why not just chase the easy money?
KirbYuuYuu
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Well that's lame.
Basileus777
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Easy money isn't always where you think it is. They probably thought Tamako Market would be easy money.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The only other CW show that I know of is that Supernatural show... and that seems to be all about manservice. lol
It's before my time, but go figure.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Because that theory doesnt work - see Tamako Market.
I don't see why they can't do both. And as they continue to raid their competition stock of LNs, it'll probably depend on just how good they are. And others pointed out, Tamako probably seemed like an easy bet, and it was pretty good, to boot. Quality doesn't have to be independent of success--K-ON is one of the biggest merchandising hits of all time, for example.
They still have Takemoto, Yamada, etc. We've seen one bad show out of the last few years, in chuu2, directed by Ishihara of all people. It's not a trend. What's worrying is where they'll get their material from, but I doubt we'll see a complete transition just yet.
dakkumauji
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So much about manservice, they even created an anime version of it to try and grab the fujoishis!
Why would they think an original anime with a vague premise would be easy money?
Chet Rippo
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Because it looked like K-ON!
Which as far as I could tell, was the only real hook it had.
I think the animation itself is not bad or lazy on Chuu2, for those character designs (which are undoubtedly inferior to Nishiya's and Horiguchi's).
The colour and art direction in Chuu2 are pretty hideous, though. They can't compare to anything else by Kyoani post-Disappearance.
It' closer to their KEY stuff, and seeing the staff I think that's no surprise.
As for Tamako, I don't think it's bad- It's better than K-On!, and on par with K-On!!, I'd say. The digital work and backgrounds were very polished and well-done, with some episodes being outstanding like the third one. The problem with the show was that their schedule was catching up to them, and so the actual animation for the episodes couldn't quite keep up with the standard they set in Nichijou and Hyouka. I personally think that Tamako 1 was extremely well-animated, both in consistency and in stand-out cuts.
I still agree that Hyouka's art and colour direction is unmatched, but I think that's more to do with particular staff members, rather than the studio as a whole becoming lazy or something. Shuhei Okude had his debut as Art Director and performed wonderfully, and the color designer Naomi Ishida has only worked for Haruhi in that post (including Disappearence). And Takemoto certainly has a more keen eye for these visual aspects than the other two supervisors at the studio.
Supernatural seasons 1-5 were legit great. Arrow itself isn't turning out to be bad either. Yes there are manservice aspects to both, however the core parts of the shows are good. Supernatural in particular has no qualms about pointing this stuff out.
Jex
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Glorious.
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