I'm not fond of his typical style either.
It is very homogenized.
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I'm not fond of his typical style either.
It is very homogenized.
All while his own personal designs for Noein are top-notch compared to many, many others:
http://www.style.fm/as/02_topics/top_060216.shtml
http://www.style.fm/as/02_topics/top_060217.shtml
http://www.style.fm/as/02_topics/top_060220.shtml
It's subtle, but he kinda took over Lain (a lot more than he did with Durarara and Madoka, at least); it looks fairly different from Haibane and Texholyze.
Regardless, most, if not all, higher-tier animators are more technically accomplished than any manga/LN/VN artist so if the animation character designer is competent just ditching the original style is perfectly fine. It's not particularly uncommon; the best selling manga adaptation in the last 10 years is barely similar to the manga.
KirbYuuYuu
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Breast Defying Gravity and all.
I didn't say his designs weren't different in Lain, just that you could recognize the original artist. And both Lain and Madoka are original series, so if they hired them to make original designs just for the animation character designer to completely erase their style, that would be a pretty silly waste of money.
And yes we all know kakifly is a hack.
KirbYuuYuu
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Nothing is cute?
There is more to character design than just the drawing style...
As far as art is concerned, most mangaka are hacks.
My secret revealed. I am 100% jealous of him. Also I see you've increased the lewdness levels of your avatar.
He's made the common mistake of img tagging the page with the image rather than the image itself.
Jex
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duckroll can sleep happily tonight.
A original character designer always goes associated to an animation character designer to adapt those for animation because, after the initial idea, they are who actually have to implement those "skeleton" designs and supervise the animator's way of using them all in a workable way, offering further discussion and additional requests to the original character creator. It is a process of more continuous input back-and-forth than handling the sheets and be done with it.
Who said there wasn't? The point is that Abe's and Ume's art has unique distinguishing characteristics and there would be no point in hiring them if that didn't show up in the show.
Perhaps the same could be said about all anime/manga/LN art.
Well I didn't imagine there was no feedback process, I was merely arguing against 7th's idea that animation character designers should just come up with their own designs every time.
It sure felt like forever and no, sorry, it totally wasn't.
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Agreed.
KirbYuuYuu
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But one is like a blob. They're fun to poke at and hug... and squish.
Jex
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Yeah, I don't think that's likely to happen at all, although I'm sure the whole human vs. machine dichotomy will be touched on again as the series progresses.
Dedication Through Light
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If only they had used Akira Amano's, they were so awesome and gave me such good feelings coming off of Reborn!.
I always think of the animated gif version when this is brought up.
Abe's art is actually good so it really has nothing to do with what I said; the discussion turns more interesting when talking about popular but shitty artists like Huke...
Sure; but my point always was that any higher-tier animator is more technically accomplished as an artist than any mangaka. There is a reason that the guy Japan considers one of the best manga artists of all time is an ex-animator.
And before anyone brings up the OPM guy, there are at least 50 currently active animators in Japan with the ability to draw circles around him.
Theonik
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He made the mistake of trying to hotlink yandere.re! And the change had to be done. Wish it didn't scale so blurry though. But whatever!
Jex
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Nah, one's a monster and one is cute. This is well known.
I can't explain to you why that's the case, because I have no expertise in explaining what makes things aesthetically pleasing.
KirbYuuYuu
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Would a Kirby count as aesthetically pleasing?
Chet Rippo
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Eh, you're probably right; trying to prove or disprove it would become "list wars" shit and that's better left for the gaming side. I better reword it as "the technical skill required to do high-tier 2D animation is much higher than the technical skill required to do manga"... but that's a self-evident, inoffensive statement and everyone finds those boring.
Animation is ultimately a pre-processed work until the animator at its far end, so how those character's need to act and being first is one thing that has to be previously worked on by more outsider 'hands' that can offer needed key ideas for them to work on. Art is something that goes associated and devised simultaneously with the ideas to preserve better the character concepts, but has to be made seemingly consistent and apt for these animators for they can be more comfortable with it, assimilable, so the intermediary handles this while conserving the essence, that is more than the look that originally goes with it.
How those characters could animate 'gracefully' should depend more on the animation character designer, as the later responsible in accomplishing the end result, so it is more understandable in my opinion that they should dominate the visual approach to said characters.
Please don't remind me. Fucking Asano.
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I will attempt to explain the possible difference between the gif Chickdigger posted and the Senran Kagura gif.
The Chickdigger gif is suggestive because it shows the character moving a portion of their body that has close similarities to a sexual move. The Senran Kagura gif shows girls ramming their butts at each other at high speeds, with their clothes ripping off slightly each time do the impact. I'd say that the former gif is much more suggestive than the latter especially when possibly seen by a coworker as you are scrolling down the page. It also doesn't help that the former gif is very obvious in what is happening, while the latter could give enough leeway with scrolling down the page without a coworker understanding what was happening in the gif, due to the high speeds and less of a focal point. Whether that means the former should be nsfw, or both should be nsfw, that is not up to me.
Dr. Corgi GAF signing off.
The Chickdigger gif is suggestive because it shows the character moving a portion of their body that has close similarities to a sexual move. The Senran Kagura gif shows girls ramming their butts at each other at high speeds, with their clothes ripping off slightly each time do the impact. I'd say that the former gif is much more suggestive than the latter especially when possibly seen by a coworker as you are scrolling down the page. It also doesn't help that the former gif is very obvious in what is happening, while the latter could give enough leeway with scrolling down the page without a coworker understanding what was happening in the gif, due to the high speeds and less of a focal point. Whether that means the former should be nsfw, or both should be nsfw, that is not up to me.
Dr. Corgi GAF signing off.
Jex
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As long as it's not an angry American Kirby, sure.
I don't think it's hard to figure out in this case.
Top: Huge, dead eyes, a stiff pose, starched clothes, generic helmet hair, lifeless lines, pale skin. It all contributes to her looking like some creepy posed doll.
Bottom: shiny eyes full of "life," a dynamic pose, believably wrinkled clothing, flowing hair, stylized line work, and blushing cheeks to show she's alive.
Well that's certainly a more reasonable statement and yeah, that wouldn't provoke any arguments or discussion.
Kakifly's earlier art is shoddy, but his later stuff is much better.
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Jex
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I'd be inclined to think they are both NSFW, but hey. I'm glad I don't have to moderate anyone!
KirbYuuYuu
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Well all of that certainly makes sense, and I think it's entirely reasonable to say that the animation character designer should have the final say. I just think it would be silly to hire an original character designer if you didn't want his work to show up in the final product.
You just described Sucy's appearance. although she is certainly better than the sum of her parts.
Not really.
Besides, there's a difference between achieving something deliberately versus an unintended side effect of your artistic inexperience.
The point is that the quoted doesn't describe the designs at all.
Oh thanks!
Yes it totally matches how Sucy looks, except that Sucy intentionally looks like that, and it works for her. It doesnt work for Yui, who has a bubblier genki personality and is more of a moeblob.
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