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Spring Anime 2017 |OT| Don't be a SukaSuka for Gacha

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dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
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I should probably just stop watching this here. While there are certain touches to this story that make it feel a little more grounded and relatable it's really just a type of media that I hate. There's a really heavy emphasis on transporting viewers into the scene, which is pretty effective with the detailed background work, but this show just still feels really doctored and phony. The characters and events are really just all so plain, and it does not seem like the show has any objective beyond simply idealizing this middle school relationship. It's creepy, unrealistic, and impossible to relate to for the intended audience. There is no hook here other than "do you want to watch two fairly normal middle schoolers date".

As a romance piece this is more modernized than what is typically out there, but it just falls really flat beyond those touches. The side characters regularly fall into stereotypes to try and hit those idyllic notes, but the rowdy male friends and gossiping girls try so desperately to paint a placid picture of the "norm" that it's kind of just unsettling. The perspective really does not offer much insight into character motivations either, so everything feels very cursory on an emotional level. Instead the conflict here is mostly just external and never seems to find strong resolution. The teacher took my phone. I was late showing up for my date because ??? (the show feels no need to explain these things). How could you talk to another girl? :zzz: That this show is being billed as some kind of artistic endeavor is a joke.
 
This site (a comprehensive English resource for anime disc sales in Japan) has complied the Amazon Stalker estimates for this season's shows. Granblue Fantasy is doing so well because it's including codes for a character for the game with the discs.

Bookmarked! I'd been looking for something like this. Thanks.

Also, since Jarmel mentioned industry champions, I have a fun question: If you somehow came into a bunch of money, i.e. your creative career took off if you have one, or you stumbled into inheritance, or won the lottery, and found yourself with a massive pile of cash, what Light Novel or Manga would you continue the adaptation of? Or what franchise would you sink money into for a new installment or would you fund a whole new anime project?
Likely you wouldn't do any of the above, but for shits and giggles let's pretend you have to.

For me. I'd pay for a proper, highly detailed, fluid animation adaptation of Berserk. From beginning to end, every arc, warts and all.

After that I'd want to do a proper Guyver adaptation, assuming the manga ever finishes, and finally I think I'd sink the rest into a brand new Shin Getter Robo series, preferably something continuing the story line of Getter Robo Armageddon just to see how absurdly weird and over the top it could get.

Also, just to keep it varied, if someone steals your series/idea, mention it and then pick a back up or two.
 

duckroll

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Also, since Jarmel mentioned industry champions, I have a fun question: If you somehow came into a bunch of money, i.e. your creative career took off if you have one, or you stumbled into inheritance, or won the lottery, and found yourself with a massive pile of cash, what Light Novel or Manga would you continue the adaptation of? Or what franchise would you sink money into for a new installment or would you fund a whole new anime project?
Likely you wouldn't do any of the above, but for shits and giggles let's pretend you have to.

How much money are we talking about here?
 
How much money are we talking about here?

Just to keep it simple enough to fund whatever your pet project is, assuming it's successful all the way through it's lifespan. But for some reason you run out after whatever your pet project or two are
You embezzled the rest of the funds and ran away to Bolivia. *shrug*
 
Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL Season 1 Episode 26 – Let the Duels Begin
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Finally Shark's past unveiled with the one who, shockingly, framed him?! I hope world duel carnival gives him a chance to finally score a win. Sharks best line was when he came to Yuuma before this and said "he only duels for himself now" so cool and inspiring.
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Funniest episode too, Yuuma with the the only flow Im feeling is the flow of tear lines made me laugh just as much as Kaito lying to doctor faker about Yuuma after strongly suggesting that he be in this tournament.
 

Cornbread78

Member
Panty & Stocking ep.10
Poor Brief got it really raw this episode from Garterbelt, lol. Well, he got a little help. Those damn Angels are always up to no good. The other shorts featuring Chuck were just meh though.
 

duckroll

Member
Just to keep it simple enough to fund whatever your pet project is, assuming it's successful all the way through it's lifespan. But for some reason you run out after whatever your pet project or two are
You embezzled the rest of the funds and ran away to Bolivia. *shrug*

I don't think you understand how much my dream projects would cost. Come on, we need to keep these what if scenarios bound by rules, so are we talking 10 million, 50 million, or 100 million here? :(
 
I don't think you understand how much my dream projects would cost. Come on, we need to keep these what if scenarios bound by rules, so are we talking 10 million, 50 million, or 100 million here? :(

Alright a quick google says one anime season (13episodes) costs 2million dollars (US). So.... 50 million. Work with that.
 
Bookmarked! I'd been looking for something like this. Thanks.

Also, since Jarmel mentioned industry champions, I have a fun question: If you somehow came into a bunch of money, i.e. your creative career took off if you have one, or you stumbled into inheritance, or won the lottery, and found yourself with a massive pile of cash, what Light Novel or Manga would you continue the adaptation of? Or what franchise would you sink money into for a new installment or would you fund a whole new anime project?
Likely you wouldn't do any of the above, but for shits and giggles let's pretend you have to.

I would like a proper adaptation with crazy production values of Twin star exorcist. The Pierrot adaptation was fine and fun, but not even once did it did true justice to the beautiful and amazing artstyle of Yoshiaki Sukeno. I want more.

Then another one would be World Trigger. I feel like this is another case of doing a series better justice. WT is an amazing series and one of JUMP's best.

Big windup! Oofuri. This is one I just need to studio to pick back up and continue! Just continue don't change anything...just continue!

I have a few others I'd like to see redone continued/redone like D.Gray-man, Shaman King and Tsubasa reservoire chronicles.

Finally I give anything for more MHA in any form. Original movies, OVAs...etc etc.
 
I would like a proper adaptation with crazy production values of Twin star exorcist. The Pierrot adaptation was fine and fun, but not even once did it did true justice to the beautiful and amazing artstyle of Yoshiaki Sukeno. I want more.

Then another one would be World Trigger. I feel like this is another case of doing a series better justice. WT is an amazing series and one of JUMP's best.

Big windup! Oofuri. This is one I just need to studio to pick back up and continue! Just continue don't change anything...just continue!

I have a few others I'd like to see redone continued/redone like D.Gray-man, Shaman King and Tsubasa reservoire chronicles.

Finally I give anything for more MHA in any form. Original movies, OVAs...etc etc.

Trust you to champion all the shonen :p

Shaman King never adapted the whole manga right? Yeah that's one that'd be nice to see a whole new version of.
 
Voynich Hotel (The world of anime needs Sayman Dowman....I'm not sure about the other way around)
Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer (Pretty damn hard to choose between Mizukami's 3 amazing works all which will never get an anime, so I went with the most well known)
Hinamatsuri (Somewhere deep inside I believe this will get an anime even without my pet project millions)
 
my dream project will always be a Harry Potter universe anime.

So how many seasons would each book be? Would book 1 be a season by itself or would it be six episodes and then another, say, 7 for book 2? How would you break it all out?

Voynich Hotel (The world of anime needs Sayman Dowman....I'm not sure about the other way around)
Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer (Pretty damn hard to choose between Mizukami's 3 amazing works all which will never get an anime, so I went with the most well known)
Hinamatsuri (Somewhere deep inside I believe this will get an anime even without my pet project millions)

Interesting choices. I think I've only heard of Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer.
 

duckroll

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We all know you want Sword of the Stranger 2.

No that's only what I'll settle for if I only have 10 million to spare.

Alright a quick google says one anime season (13episodes) costs 2million dollars (US). So.... 50 million. Work with that.

Okay 50 million sounds good. I'll contact BONES, Trigger, Production IG, MAPPA, and Ufotable, and propose a really high end anthology series. The central theme will be "action", with each episode being a stand alone story in the action genre set in a shared world that spans thousands of years and hence can cover any period setting - fantasy, prehistoric, period, modern, scifi, cyberpunk, space, whatever. There can be gun action, noir, kung fu, swords and sorcery, aliens, military thriller, etc.

Each episode will have a variable runtime from 30 to 50 minutes depending on how long it needs to tell the story. I'll want Masahiro Ando to be the chief director and action supervisor for the series. The actual directors will vary every episode and be a selection of all the best in the industry. There'll be a writer's room with Kuroda, Kurata, Okouchi, Aikawa, and Urobuchi brainstorming ideas and building the world settings, while each director can come up with whatever story outline they are interested in doing.

Kozaki will handle the character designs for the entire series, Naoki Sato will compose the music, Maaya Sakamoto will play a mysterious woman who appears in every episode, and she will sing the OP. Etsuko Yakushimaru will do the ED. The OP animation will be directed by Sayo Yamamoto, the ED animation by Koike. I'll fund 25 episodes of this at a budget of 1 million per episode, and it'll stream for free on all platforms when the project is complete.

One of the episodes will be a musical action episode directed by Ko Matsuo where every single line is sung.

Then after that I'll throw the remaining 25 million at a Terra Battle anime.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Not sure if comment about idol tickets or porn doujins.
Well, there's the DFC people to think about~

Horizon zero dawn won't ever get a season 2 where she falls in love with a robot dinosaur
Realistically, she falls in love with
herself!

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So there was another documentary about idols at Hotdocs, so I thought I'd check it out:


https://kyokomiyake.com/#/tokyo-idols/

The strange thing about this documentary was that in some ways, it is a bit more positive on the idol industry than the NMB one inasmuch as the director follows individuals rather than a group, which means that the girls are essentially entrepreneurs. The film primarily follows an idol named Rio Hiiragi (https://www.youtube.com/user/migaite) and you basically see her hustle for work - half her job seems to be doing livestreams, just like a standard Twitch streamer.

Perhaps the one thing that I didn't think about was that how idols have become the Japanese equivalent of the American beauty pageant. They had a journalist talk about how the AKB elections are essentially pedalling a version of femininity that is palatable to people, much like the early inception of the Miss America/Universe/whatever pageants where girls paraded around in swimsuits.

I had no idea that there are idols that are as young as 10 years old, and when you see that they have 30-40 year old fans, the "har har" factor becomes a bit more icky. Say what you will about thousand year old Fire Emblem dragon girls, but at least that's just a cartoon/sprite.

The director also spent quite a bit more time with fans, and the parallels to the otaku "waifuism" that you see in various documentaries and news stories are there. These are primarily disaffected men who, for whatever reason, can't find it in themselves to have a relationship with a real woman, so they essentially "adopt" an idol in order to fill that void. There's a "leader" of her fan club that essentially manages her fans, organizing things like a surprise birthday cake for her 21st birthday. That said, the film shows that Rio has several female fans as well, so that's clearly not the full picture.

She seems to connect idol culture to anime culture implicitly, and in brief talk at the end, she imagined that virtual idols might be the future - there were, whether by accident or by design, several shots of Muse in the film - but that's not really fully developed. I am curious to think about how Japanese Love Live fans interact with Muse/Aqours, since the entire idol production exists - there are livestreams and mini-concerts and what not, but as far as I know, it doesn't go as deep as handshake events and paying for signed polaroids.

A question that probably won't get answered is whether or not idols are interested in music or if it's just the idea of "idoling" that appeals to them. Yes, they sing, but the songs are written for them and they're pretty generic once you start paying attention to the lyrics. It's the Japanese equivalent of Rebecca Black and her "Friday" song.

I'm sure someone will pick this up for distribution at some point, and I know there are a few anime idol fans here, so it's probably worth watching if you are at all interested in a discussion of idols.

(Funny enough, the director has someone explain the sociological nature of the "finger sex" phenomenon. lol)
 
No that's only what I'll settle for if I only have 10 million to spare.



Okay 50 million sounds good. I'll contact BONES, Trigger, Production IG, MAPPA, and Ufotable, and propose a really high end anthology series. The central theme will be "action", with each episode being a stand alone story in the action genre set in a shared world that spans thousands of years and hence can cover any period setting - fantasy, prehistoric, period, modern, scifi, cyberpunk, space, whatever. There can be gun action, noir, kung fu, swords and sorcery, aliens, military thriller, etc.

Each episode will have a variable runtime from 30 to 50 minutes depending on how long it needs to tell the story. I'll want Masahiro Ando to be the chief director and action supervisor for the series. The actual directors will vary every episode and be a selection of all the best in the industry. There'll be a writer's room with Kuroda, Kurata, Okouchi, Aikawa, and Urobuchi brainstorming ideas and building the world settings, while each director can come up with whatever story outline they are interested in doing.

Kozaki will handle the character designs for the entire series, Naoki Sato will compose the music, Maaya Sakamoto will play a mysterious woman who appears in every episode, and she will sing the OP. Etsuko Yakushimaru will do the ED. The OP animation will be directed by Sayo Yamamoto, the ED animation by Koike. I'll fund 25 episodes of this at a budget of 1 million per episode, and it'll stream for free on all platforms when the project is complete.

One of the episodes will be a musical action episode directed by Ko Matsuo where every single line is sung.

Then after that I'll throw the remaining 25 million at a Terra Battle anime.

I love the juxtaposition between this wildly creative, free-form project where every artist basically gets to spread their wings-- and smart phone game cash in.

Can I put part of my money into animating scary stories to tell in the dark with the original artist forcing everybody to follow his art style?

Sure, if it fits within 50 million.
 

Loona

Member
Real talk though, Re:Creators is a show with a very promising concept, pretty nice if generic designs, and has a director who is capable of so much more. Yet it seems to just feel content being the bare minimum of what it needs to be, lacking ambition or creative spark. How can you have a show about a dozen or so fictional characters coming into the real world from different works, and yet spend three whole episodes following just one pair - the most boring of the lot? For an original IP that desperately needs to hook an audience in the face of so much competition in an oversaturated industry, this seems like a bad decision.

Early episodes seem more about establishing and speculating about what's going on, after a first episode that focused on introducing main characters and big action sequences - I expect the further in the more the story is going to flourish.

I particularly liked the scene in episode 4 where a character
described her feelings on getting to experience the game she's from and wanting to preserve that
- perhaps that's more talking that a lot of people want to deal with, but it seems to fit with the nature of the character and her original function (both as a librarian and apparent exposition NPC).
With more characters still to be properly introduced, I expect their natures to also reflect on the kind of scenes we'll get later on, not to mention the contrasts between them, and likely issues with the nature of creativity.
I'm still hopeful, basically - and if it doesn't pan out, I hope it'll eventually drive someone else to do more interesting things with the concept.
 
Bahamut Virgin Dragon S2 - 04

I can only mirror most of the impressions. Repetitive plot, one-dimensional portrayal of morals (oh no the humanz, theys so evil now!), questionable semi-redemption of Azazel, little character synergy and the world will forever remain entirely uninteresting. More and more it also appears as though most of the characters we know are together and work together just because. The motivations for Kaisar, Rita and Bacchus elude me.

In addition the sound design was once again extremely weak this episode.

But damn is there still a lot of nice animation to be found. Nina's fire breath/beam melting one of those colossal knights for example looked damn fine.

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So there was another documentary about idols at Hotdocs, so I thought I'd check it out:

*snip*

I had no idea that there are idols that are as young as 10 years old, and when you see that they have 30-40 year old fans, the "har har" factor becomes a bit more icky. Say what you will about thousand year old Fire Emblem dragon girls, but at least that's just a cartoon/sprite.

The director also spent quite a bit more time with fans, and the parallels to the otaku "waifuism" that you see in various documentaries and news stories are there. These are primarily disaffected men who, for whatever reason, can't find it in themselves to have a relationship with a real woman, so they essentially "adopt" an idol in order to fill that void. There's a "leader" of her fan club that essentially manages her fans, organizing things like a surprise birthday cake for her 21st birthday. That said, the film shows that Rio has several female fans as well, so that's clearly not the full picture.

*snip*

Idol culture needs to be burned to the ground.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Idol culture needs to be burned to the ground.

It's funny, the weirder aspects probably only exist because of how everything is concentrated in Japan.

I have no doubt that if America was the same size as Japan and all the Twitch girls were concentrated in a big city like NYC, you'd probably have Twitch groupees who would have no problem donating money to their favourite female streamers at weekly fan meetups.

But yes, it gets weird once the girls are 10... but it was also funny to see a mother talk about how she was worried at first, and then discovered that these men are the most harmless, almost sexless men she's ever met. lol
(Handshake events with 10 year old girls though... yikes)
 
The film primarily follows an idol named Rio Hiiragi (https://www.youtube.com/user/migaite) and you basically see her hustle for work - half her job seems to be doing livestreams, just like a standard Twitch streamer.

This some weird stuff :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTIcTJqIn4

She one of those idols that performs in the streets?


But yes, it gets weird once the girls are 10... but it was also funny to see a mother talk about how she was worried at first, and then discovered that these men are the most harmless, almost sexless men she's ever met. lol
(Handshake events with 10 year old girls though... yikes)

What about 6 year old idols and even creepier events :p
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
They try to tell you those gravure videos with underaged kids are OK, cos the concept of sexualisation is different in Japan so kids in bikinis is totally innocent.

Then you see the stuff that comes out of Comiket and you know that reasoning is a load of cobblers.
 

Theonik

Member
FWIW, Many people in Japan think it's pretty creepy too, but the general attitude is one of apathy. /not my business/
 

Taruranto

Member
Bahamut Virgin Dragon S2 - 04
(oh no the humanz, theys so evil now!)


Yeah, it's pretty jarring, especially because I don't remember any good demon in S1, even Azazel I remember slaughtered people for fun. They were pretty much portrayed as massive dicks.

I think S2 has a new writer, which explains the tonal shift.

Real talk though, Re:Creators is a show with a very promising concept, pretty nice if generic designs, and has a director who is capable of so much more. Yet it seems to just feel content being the bare minimum of what it needs to be, lacking ambition or creative spark. How can you have a show about a dozen or so fictional characters coming into the real world from different works, and yet spend three whole episodes following just one pair - the most boring of the lot? For an original IP that desperately needs to hook an audience in the face of so much competition in an oversaturated industry, this seems like a bad decision.

Thee is so much you could with that concept, like having the characters question and make fun of the LN tropes they are trapped in, like I was expecting Celestia to question and discuss her own design at one point. I can't tell if the writer is self-aware or he's just playing it straight.
 
Would be easier to judge with a decently long shot. I think 0:13~0:15 was CGI? It's fine for a sequence that short but just saying. I do like the smear effects on the pant legs.

Those character designs remain off-putting however.

The production appears to be using CG for background/out-of-focus dancers with the focused dancing pair getting more elaborate 2D animation, which is a reasonable approach for a TV-level production. If you didn't want to use CG you'd likely need to keep background dancers as stills, since a fully moving 2D group dancing scene can only be properly done with top level animators on a movie-level production.
 

Cornbread78

Member
DN Angel ep. 5-6
Man, the Eng dub for the kids voices is kind of grating at times..

That said, these two episodes were a nice break from the normal "theft of the week" format the first few used. The show has some fun concepts and the characters are interesting enough, so I look forward to digging deeper into this.
 

striferser

Huge Nickleback Fan
Voynich Hotel (The world of anime needs Sayman Dowman....I'm not sure about the other way around)
Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer (Pretty damn hard to choose between Mizukami's 3 amazing works all which will never get an anime, so I went with the most well known)
Hinamatsuri (Somewhere deep inside I believe this will get an anime even without my pet project millions)

WHERES FRANKEN FRAN

This, though i replace lucifer and biscuit hammer with Spirit Circle. Also,Hinamatsuri totally going to get :Kurita (aka live action) before it get anime...

Other not mentioned, let see...
kakukaku shikajika
Dungeon Meshi (probably going to get anime adaptation soon, but we'll see)
Onani master kurosawa
Vinland Saga

And, just for the hell of it, i want to see hentai with 50 million USD budget.so, an adaptation of Napata, Mizuryu Kei, or Homunculus.
 
All out! DUB END

That was pretty fun, but this would have definitely benefitted from a longer run. The thing finishes with the team finally becoming real solid and finally gearing up toward the big important confrontation. Zamba was like big one tease of a big rival(a damn good one!). I liked the format of giving each team member his own little arc, but since it was only 24 episodes a big part of it did feel left out. Iwashimitsu(Justin Briner fitted him really well) and Ryoin?'s Yaoi lover were my two favorite character both on the design and personnalitiy wise. The coach was also a big highlight and really upped the show when he came in. His temper and his past experience really made him cool. Also Chris Sabat voiced him so +10 million points.

The show didn't have any standout music, at least nothing that made me go *wow*. And on the animation front it did like to use stills during matches. But when it came to feeling the power of the players it greatly succeeded. Impacts really felt impactful(Sekizan the best)

Overall I liked it and would watch/read more if I ever have the chance. 7/10.
 
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