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[Kishgal]

I got some sleep and boy, I'm still pissed at this announcement. I'm sure FFXV will go to the PS3. It's such a shame that with so many Final Fantasy releases this generation that only Versus XIII and the inevitable XV will be the only pure Final Fantasy experiences we'll get out of the bunch

I don't understand. The PS3 still has FF13 and FF14. "Also available on 360" doesn't mean "no longer available on PS3."

 

[Dabanton]

I don't understand. The PS3 still has FF13 and FF14. "Also available on 360" doesn't mean "no longer available on PS3."

I'm sure his just messing around.

 

[dramatis]

Isn't it supposedly quite a lot like FF X, ie. quite shitty?

I won't argue opinions about FFX here, but suffice to say XIII is something unexpected but the disappointing kind of expected.

 

[cuyahoga]

I got some sleep and boy, I'm still pissed at this announcement. I'm sure FFXV will go to the PS3. It's such a shame that with so many Final Fantasy releases this generation that only Versus XIII and the inevitable XV will be the only pure Final Fantasy experiences we'll get out of the bunch

So, Final Fantasy's on a 360 are like Final Fantasy's with an STD?

 

[Mael]

Whelp and I just bough a ps3 for FFXIV....

Spoiler

who cares I bought it to play with friends that DON'T have a 360 anyway

 

[Kishgal]

Whelp and I just bough a ps3 for FFXIV....

Spoiler

who cares I bought it to play with friends that DON'T have a 360 anyway

All platforms will likely share servers.
Sorry.

 

[Mael]

All platforms will likely share servers.
Sorry.

Unless Soulcalibur IV and other games share their servers I doubt that would make any difference.

 

[Kishgal]

Unless Soulcalibur IV and other games share their servers I doubt that would make any difference.

Your post made it sound like you bought a PS3 to play FF14 with people who don't have 360s, which would be pretty silly. Apologies.

 

[Mael]

Your post made it sound like you bought a PS3 to play FF14 with people who don't have 360s, which would be pretty silly. Apologies.

Oh that's okay,
I did buy this to play FFXIV first & foremost, the rest is gravy

Spoiler

I'm mostly playing on my DS & Wii anyway, having to not have to buy games because my friends bought them is a nice extra I'd say

 

[Brazil]

Whelp and I just bough a ps3 for FFXIV....

Spoiler

who cares I bought it to play with friends that DON'T have a 360 anyway

Yeah, well, maybe you can go after those awesome PS3 exclusives out there now.

 

[onken]

I think it would meltdown more if FFXIII did not deliver (quality).

Spoiler

did it deliver in quality, importers?

I really liked it But then again the last JRPG I finished was probably on PS1 :lol

 

[Mael]

Yeah, well, maybe you can go after those awesome PS3 exclusives out there now.

Like Killzone2 the system came with? Or Uncharted 2 I couldn't give a shit about? Seriously at this point I don't care that much, spending money is not exactly my favourite hobby anyway

 

[Khrno]

I think it would meltdown more if FFXIII did not deliver (quality).

Spoiler

did it deliver in quality, importers?

XIII will be one of the best games of this year, really polished with a fast combat system and good character growth system. However it is far from being a good Final Fantasy game, which is the main and obviously biggest problem.

 

[NinMicroSega]

Not true, but it would be a bigger betrayalton. It is specifically mentioned as a PS3 exclusive worldwide whereas 13 wasn't.

I'm pretty sure FFXIII was touted as PS3 exclusive in the same vein that FFvXIII is. Expect it to be temporary.

 

[orion434]

I'm actually more interested in FFXIV over FFXIII. I hate how everything is always "jump on the hype train" I wonder how long until FFXIV actually comes out... 2012?

 

[Paracelsus]

I'm pretty sure FFXIII was touted as PS3 exclusive in the same vein that FFvXIII is. Expect it to be temporary.

No, it was not, or more precisely there has never been a FFXIII trailer with the "for PS3 only worldwide" phrase at the end of it. Versus XIII started having that wording at the end of its trailers the instant FFXIII went multiplatform. FFXIII had "for PS3 only", later changed in "only in Japan", which leads me to think it happened the same thing that happened with LA Noire and the Agent (Sony paying/moneyhatting for LA Noire (FFXIII), then the game goes multiplatform and instead of giving Sony the money back they simply shifted the moneyhat from LA Noire to The Agent (Versus)).

 

[noisome07]

I'm actually more interested in FFXIV over FFXIII. I hate how everything is always "jump on the hype train" I wonder how long until FFXIV actually comes out... 2012?

Shows it's a 2010 game on the website.. + they started taking beta applications for the PC version about a month ago.

 

[orion434]

Shows it's a 2010 game on the website.. + they started taking beta applications for the PC version about a month ago.

I hope it makes it for 2011... and a simultaneous launch, that would be ideal.

 

[The Boss]

>_< MWHAHAHHAHAHA YEA! GIVE ME MY FXIV... I wonder what platform to get it for now..........I have FXI for PC and 360 ...hmmm maybe I should get it for all 3 XD.. lmao... Dammit decisions decisions......

 

[Forbiden]

I hope it makes it for 2011... and a simultaneous launch, that would be ideal.

Depending on how long the beta lasts, it's not unrealistic to think that the game will make it out this year, which I hope it does.

 

[rvy]

I say, old bean! I must express my astonishment of your claim! Is this a fact, or a clever ruse?

 

[Shadow780]

I'm pretty sure FFXIII was touted as PS3 exclusive in the same vein that FFvXIII is. Expect it to be temporary.

 

[Deadly Monk]

Not to derail this thread more (sorry!) but doesn't Versus also use the Crystal Tools (white engine or whatever they're calling it, someone correct me)? Wasn't the point of that to ease multi-platform development? If it does use that, Versus appearing on 360 isn't out of the realm of possibility.

 

[ShogunX]

Wow what the hell happened in here :lol ?


New influx on juniors?

 

[Yoshichan]

Nomura is great looking there

 

[Subliminal]

Not to derail this thread more (sorry!) but doesn't Versus also use the Crystal Tools (white engine or whatever they're calling it, someone correct me)? Wasn't the point of that to ease multi-platform development? If it does use that, Versus appearing on 360 isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

 

[FrankT]

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

I've never heard of this until this very moment, and I've most definitely never heard of 360 FF XIII using another engine. All reports I've read is that it was a PC based engine which they refined into multiplatform. Heck iirc correctly this is exactly what SE said during E3 08.

 

[Kishgal]

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

If it used a different engine, it would have had to have been rewritten from scratch and could no longer be called a "port." Considering how quickly they've gotten the 360 port done, it's definitely the same engine.

Also, Crystal Tools is a multiplatform toolset. FF14 uses it, as well.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

you made that up didn't you, lol
Crystal Tools is cross platform engine

 

[harSon]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Nomura said he'd cut his own head off if Versus got a 360 port or something.

King of the Sony Fanboys: "Not before the PSP port!"

And what a time waste that would be, the hours he spent on his hair that morning would be all for nothing, rolling along the floor, ruined! I hope you're happy Microsoft.

I imagine if FF13 does surprisingly well on the Xbox 360, they'll take a long look at releasing Versus on the system as well.

Doesn't really matter to me, I'd probably purchase it for the Playstation 3 regardless, just to maintain continuity.

 

[Mael]

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

Holy shit I can't believe there's still people believing this crap,
the Crystal tools have even been ported to the Wii

 

[snap0212]

If it's a good game, everyone should be able to play it. Get over it, fanboys! This statement is true for every game on every platform. Period!

Also: If I get it, I'll buy it for the PS3 (or PC).

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

Wrong. White Engine was PS3-only. It was abandoned for Crystal Tools, which is a multiplatform engine. FFXIII, FFXIV and FF Versus XIII all use Crystal Tools.

 

[Dra-Q]

Can't wait for the Versus XIII source-code.

 

[Subliminal]

you made that up didn't you, lol
Crystal Tools is cross platform engine

Let Me rephrase

Nomura said that the Crystal Tools behind Verus was heavily 'plugged in' to the PS3 (Cell optimisation etc.)

Basically Crystal tools seems to be adapting to fit the needs of every console

It Was in The Dutch OPM

Didn't the simultaneous development on both the PS3 and the XBOX360 cause difficulties?
KITASE: We have made it our top priority to deliver the same quality on both consoles. It was self-evident that it brought some difficulties with it. Both consoles require a different approach. Especially on the graphics section. We had to build a different engine for both versions. We needed a year of tinkering on each engine in order to get the same level of graphics.

 

[Talon]

Both XIII and Versus XIII Use Crystal Tools which is practically a PS3 Only Engine, If reports are to be believed. Some say Xbox XIII Uses a different engine

Couldn't be more wrong.

Even more ambitious is Final Fantasy XIII's proprietary White Engine, now called Crystal Tools. As Square Enix's first companywide technology platform, it's a full suite of authoring tools and runtime libraries for PlayStation 3, PC and Xbox 360. (There's even a bit of support for Wii in place, although the latter is still in development.) Not only is Crystal Tools the power behind FFXIII, but also Final Fantasy Versus XIII and the company's as-yet unannounced next-generation MMO RPG as well.

1UP: The most important aspect of Crystal Tools is that it's a multi-platform environment. How easy it is to move a game from one platform to another? Say, hypothetically, you wanted to port Final Fantasy XIII from PS3 to Xbox 360... how difficult would that be?

TM: Traditionally at Square we used to target just to a single platform and work deeply within that system, so it was very difficult to move a game to another system. But I'd say it's easier now. You still have factors like video memory and processing cores, so you have to adjust things like texture sizes. But Crystal Tools is a shared library, so it's much easier now. Those factors are already accounted for by the libraries, and it's possible to develop for different systems in parallel.

Source

 

[Kagari]

Let Me rephrase

Nomura said that the Crystal Tools behind Verus was heavily 'plugged in' to the PS3 (Cell optimisation etc.)

Basically Crystal tools seems to be adapting to fit the needs of every console

It Was in The Dutch OPM

They're also using a tweaked version of the enging for FF14 that's different than the one used for FF13.

 

[Cornbread78]

Here's a simple translation.... the only thing that mater to Square-Enix is.....$$$$$$$

I know, be shocked everyone.


I was just haveing this conversation with a friend recently.
They used to have a relationship with Sony back in the day when PS ruled the land. Then PS got cocky and gave them a hard time about their exclusive contract so Square said, "wait a minute, we can make money here too"..."Hello Mr. Gates and MS!" Now Square-Enix, kings of everything RPG, can whore the market anyway they want to any market they want. They don't care about being exclusive to the Japanese markets and their developers, they care about the mighty dollar/yen/ruble(LOL) or whatever monitary value they can get for their product. So yes, if it's planned for the PC, then the technology is already there for the XBox 360 and it will be on both as we already know eventually. They will take bids from the consoles as to who will pay more for the early timed release, but I'd expect very few "exclusives" on one system or another.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Here's a simple translation.... the only thing that mater to Square-Enix is.....$$$$$$$

They're a fucking business, dude. Businesses care about money 99.99% of the time.

 

[Drkirby]

I still remember the E3 announcement..
"Final Fantasy.." "Oh nice.." "oh my god!"... "Fourteen!".. "What?!" "What?!""What?!""What?!".. :lol

Yes, and then there was the confusion of "Wait, what was that last thing? MMO! "

Versus XIII for 360? Last nail in the coffin.

I don't know, the Slim is doing a pretty good job of ripping those nails out and chucking them back.

 

[Cornbread78]

They're a fucking business, dude. Businesses care about money 99.99% of the time.

+1, exactly my point, people are getting pissed about it. Sony already screwed up a few years ago, and now they are going to have to deal with Square whoring the market....

 

[Fimbulvetr]

What happened here? :lol

I expected everyone to go "not a surprise" and leave.

 

[theMrCravens]

Yes, and then there was the confusion of "Wait, what was that last thing? MMO! "

Well, XIII wasn't out yet, so everyone knew XIV was going to be an MMO.

The real shock was seeing the exact same races and "world" that FF XI has.

I'm one of those disappointed that they couldn't come up with something new for XIV though.
(not saying it's going to be a bad game)

 

[ShogunX]

Here's a simple translation.... the only thing that mater to Square-Enix is.....$$$$$$$

I know, be shocked everyone.


I was just haveing this conversation with a friend recently.
They used to have a relationship with Sony back in the day when PS ruled the land. Then PS got cocky and gave them a hard time about their exclusive contract so Square said, "wait a minute, we can make money here too"..."Hello Mr. Gates and MS!" Now Square-Enix, kings of everything RPG, can whore the market anyway they want to any market they want. They don't care about being exclusive to the Japanese markets and their developers, they care about the mighty dollar/yen/ruble(LOL) or whatever monitary value they can get for their product. So yes, if it's planned for the PC, then the technology is already there for the XBox 360 and it will be on both as we already know eventually. They will take bids from the consoles as to who will pay more for the early timed release, but I'd expect very few "exclusives" on one system or another.

The only thing that matters to about 99% of the worlds companies is $$$$$$.

 

[Einbroch]

Gold Membership + Subscription = No sale.

No gold + Subscription = Maybe, I'll see which version is the superior version.

Gold + No Subscription (lol) = Holy shit yes.

 

[ULTROS!]

From FFXIV to Versus XIII. Wow.

Anyway, is it true that Versus XIII is using a much more advanced Crystal Tools? (for some strange reason, a student in my University discussed and researched the Crystal Tools and mentioned that XIII is using the 1st iteration and Versus XIII using the 2nd or even 3rd iteration)

 

[Kagari]

From FFXIV to Versus XIII. Wow.

Anyway, is it true that Versus XIII is using a much more advanced Crystal Tools? (for some strange reason, a student in my University discussed and researched the Crystal Tools and mentioned that XIII is using the 1st iteration and Versus XIII using the 2nd or even 3rd iteration)

Yes.

 

[Xanafalgue]

Gold Membership + Subscription = No sale.

No gold + Subscription = Maybe, I'll see which version is the superior version.

Gold + No Subscription (lol) = Holy shit yes.

In an ideal world, MS would waive any subscription fee's for Gold users.

:lol

Thats a pretty good way to get people to subscribe to LIVE though...

 

[Forbiden]

Gold Membership + Subscription = No sale.

No gold + Subscription = Maybe, I'll see which version is the superior version.

Gold + No Subscription (lol) = Holy shit yes.

Chances are that it will be no gold + subscription, given that that's how FFXI was handled on 360. It would be a joke if they asked for live on top
of a pay to play MMO.

 

[demosthenes]

:lol :lol

And this is seriously a surprise? Even Jack dodged the issue by saying at launch it would be the only console to host the game. Time exclusive but 360 gamers were never meant to be left in the cold.

What's funny is, is most evidence points to it being a timed exclusive b/c of Microsoft and not budging on the Live front. They did this to themselves.