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[Pai Pai Master]

I'm canceling my pre-order. This is ridiculous. All I ask for is one lousy exclusive and Square decides to kowtow to MS. At least Versus will still be exclusive.

Holy shit. :lol

 

[Crash Station]

Doesn't mean they can't work a 360 port that uses its own strengths, while not hampering the PS3 version. The game is being made with the Crystal Tools engine, right? It's not like it'd really cause them that many issues.

For any other company I'd agree with you but there's evidence FF13 was gimped because of the 360 version. It isn't definitive evidence mind you, but knowing how Wada works, I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[Nairume]

For any other company I'd agree with you but there's evidence FF13 was gimped because of the 360 version. It isn't definitive evidence mind you, but knowing how Wada works, I wouldn't put it past him.

And that evidence would be?

 

[Anth0ny]

MELLLLLLTTTTTTDOOOOWNNNNNNN IMMMIINENT!!!!

owait.

 

[OutlawSamurai]

I'm canceling my pre-order. This is ridiculous. All I ask for is one lousy exclusive and Square decides to kowtow to MS. At least Versus will still be exclusive.

Might be exclusive for now... 2 months after release on PS3 square desides to re-release versus 13 on 360.

 

[2Good4u]

I'm canceling my pre-order. This is ridiculous. All I ask for is one lousy exclusive and Square decides to kowtow to MS. At least Versus will still be exclusive.

Oh dear...

 

[Crash Station]

And that evidence would be?

I'm not convinced Square spent 4 years making such a linear game. Again, this is just speculation and we'll most likely never find out, but it just seems very odd.

 

[Kagari]

Holy shit. :lol

You guys took his bait.

Listing was updated, btw. FF14 removed :lol

 

[Nairume]

I'm not convinced Square spent 4 years making such a linear game. Again, this is just speculation and we'll most likely never find out, but it just seems very odd.

I seriously doubt the 360 version is the culprit behind the game's linearity.

 

[Kagari]

I'm not convinced Square spent 4 years making such a linear game. Again, this is just speculation and we'll most likely never find out, but it just seems very odd.

Considering an alpha build of the game was complete on PS3 before the 360 port announcement... yeah, going to say they planned it to be linear.

 

[ULTROS!]

Square Enix can go multiplatform for all I care as long as they can deliver their games especially on the home consoles.

 

[Apath]

Considering all four versions of FFXI play together, there's almost no way they wouldn't have the three versions of FFXIV be able to play together.


What other reason could you possibly have for the later if the former is true?

1. Great news then
2. When a game is exclusive it is made for the system 100% and takes full advantage of it. PS3 has a lot of strengths and power to throw around, so it would be nice to see one of the three Final Fantasy games coming out take advantage of it. As I own both a 360 and a PS3, and I'd expect the PS3 version to be better anyway, it being multiplatform doesn't benefit me in any way. Hope that explains it.

 

[Crash Station]

I seriously doubt the 360 version is the culprit behind the game's linearity.

It's either that or they're an incompetent team that needs twice as much time to make a game that's actually of lesser quality. Seeing as this is the only team at Square I still care about, I'd rather believe some conspiracy theory.

 

[Kagari]

Square Enix can go multiplatform for all I care as long as they can deliver their games especially on the home consoles.

Rapture was 360/PC from the start with a PS3 version later, then somehow became PC/PS3 with a 360 version later. Anyone who actually cares about the game knows this.

 

[ethelred]

When it causes delays and gimps the game?

I'm not convinced Square spent 4 years making such a linear game. Again, this is just speculation and we'll most likely never find out, but it just seems very odd.

The thing that makes you so special as a poster is that you always find creative new ways to demonstrate complete idiocy.

 

[Crash Station]

Considering an alpha build of the game was complete on PS3 before the 360 port announcement... yeah, going to say they planned it to be linear.

Hmmm. I thought you were the one that brought up this conspiracy in the IRC in the first place. Never mind then.

 

[Kagari]

Hmmm. I thought you were the one that brought up this conspiracy in the IRC in the first place. Never mind then.

No, wasn't me. Diablos said something to that extent.

 

[Mandoric]

Aside from the auto-attack, how does it not? You have normal attacks, spells, special attacks and abilities, and the Weaponskills that serve as the traditional "limit breaks." Characters have specific roles like Warrior, White Mage, Black Mage, Thief, etc. and contribute to the battle using their specific skill sets. There are normal encounters and boss fights. It's pretty much Final Fantasy in a nutshell.

Bubut we don't get to see the ATB gauge!
(but it's there anyway)
(just like in FF4 and FF5)
I guess if you consider perspective more important than actions, I can see the difference.

does anyone know if 360 is popular in south korea? if it is, that might be a reason why they'd make it multiplat (other than huge install base in USA).

I don't believe I've ever, -ever- seen a Korean on FFXI. I'm not even sure if you can type it, but definitely no Korean names, no Korean fanart, and not even a RuliWeb scans thread being the place to go for any of the expansions or major patches.

 

[Crash Station]

The thing that makes you so special as a poster is that you always find creative new ways to demonstrate complete idiocy.

Glad I have a fan.

 

[cuyahoga]

Disappointed to learn that 3rd Birthday isn't an action-adventure version of Party Babyz.

 

[Nairume]

It's either that or they're an incompetent team that needs twice as much time to make a game that's actually of lesser quality. Seeing as this is the only team at Square I still care about, I'd rather believe some conspiracy theory.

Incompetent is the wrong word. They still made what is apparently a good game. It might not be as great or open as previous games, but, by all accounts, it's still a competent game that I'm sure everybody in this thread that will play it will find it adequately enjoyable, including yourself.

As it stands, they've openly admitted that, at the very least, they couldn't do open towns like they used to because it would have been far too much effort to go through and render everything in full detail. It hardly sounds like an issue caused by the 360.

The conspiracy theory doesn't hold up and it's silly to cling to it.

 

[ULTROS!]

Rapture was 360/PC from the start with a PS3 version later, then somehow became PC/PS3 with a 360 version later. Anyone who actually cares about the game knows this.

Sorry, what I meant was that Square Enix should deliver quality games on the home consoles. :lol

 

[dimeat]

I'm canceling my pre-order. This is ridiculous. All I ask for is one lousy exclusive and Square decides to kowtow to MS. At least Versus will still be exclusive.

We all know you don't have enough money to buy games anyway.

 

[Crash Station]

Incompetent is the wrong word. They still made what is apparently a good game. It might not be as great or open as previous games, but, by all accounts, it's still a competent game that I'm sure everybody in this thread that will play it will find it adequately enjoyable, including yourself.

As it stands, they've openly admitted that, at the very least, they couldn't do open towns like they used to because it would have been far too much effort to go through and render everything in full detail. It hardly sounds like an issue caused by the 360.

The conspiracy theory doesn't hold up and it's silly to cling to it.

Yeah, I'm done with the conspiracy theory. And yeah, incompetent was too strong of a word. I should've said disappointing. I'm actually expecting it to be one of my favorites in the series but there's still a lot of stuff I'm worried about.

 

[imtehman]

When it causes delays and gimps the game?

Honestly, lack of exclusivity should be near the bottom of the "Square doesn't care about its fans" list. There's a ton of other reasons to hate them before even mentioning platform.

then you should blame the ps3 version for delaying and gimping the game seeing as how FF14 is a PC game FIRST and the 360 version is essentially a PC-lite

 

[ethelred]

Glad I have a fan.

Oh, absolutely. From the inability to play games that have (meaningless outside of the cosmetics) first-person battle systems to this newfound gem of truther beauty, it's hard not to admire. And besides, never before had I seen someone so eager to boast of possessing a kindergarten reading level with such gusto and sheer bravado!

 

[Quixzlizx]

Charted: Real-time reactions to MS/Nintendo/Sony E309 press conferences - "Who won"

Final Fantasy 14 announcement: 85
Final Fantasy XIV revealed as MMO: -58

 

[NIGHT-]

I'm canceling my pre-order. This is ridiculous. All I ask for is one lousy exclusive and Square decides to kowtow to MS. At least Versus will still be exclusive.

Love it!

 

[Nairume]

Oh, absolutely. From the inability to play games that have (meaningless outside of the cosmetics) first-person battle systems to this newfound gem of truther beauty, it's hard not to admire. And besides, never before had I seen someone so eager to boast of possessing a kindergarten reading level with such gusto and sheer bravado!

Hey, at least he admitted he was wrong in this case.

 

[Enron]

Why is it whenever I see ethelred post, it's always something condescending? What a pleasant fellow.

 

[grandjedi6]

Why is it whenever I see ethelred post, it's always something condescending? What a pleasant fellow.

Its his forum persona. It also helps that its typically fueled by others' stupid comments.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

2. When a game is exclusive it is made for the system 100% and takes full advantage of it. PS3 has a lot of strengths and power to throw around, so it would be nice to see one of the three Final Fantasy games coming out take advantage of it. As I own both a 360 and a PS3, and I'd expect the PS3 version to be better anyway, it being multiplatform doesn't benefit me in any way. Hope that explains it.

This is the job of the first party studios... not the the third parties.

 

[neptunes]

For any other company I'd agree with you but there's evidence FF13 was gimped because of the 360 version. It isn't definitive evidence mind you, but knowing how Wada works, I wouldn't put it past him.

The fact that it was in development since last gen probably means nothing.

 

[Mandoric]

This is the job of the first party studios... not the the third parties.

Why should picking the best tool for the job and doing an excellent job with it be solely a first-party task? The extent of this sentiment is arguing that no game should have assets for over 480p, yet all should only use dpad and two buttons, because those are the only features shared marketwide. Or that Live and HDTV support on the Xbox last gen was misguided.

 

[fernoca]

I still remember the E3 announcement..
"Final Fantasy.." "Oh nice.." "oh my god!"... "Fourteen!".. "What?!" "What?!""What?!""What?!".. :lol

 

[Crash Station]

The fact that it was in development since last gen meant nothing I guess

Yeah, but they scrapped most of that.

 

[Jet Grind Radio!]

As soon as someone mentions "FF fanbase," they automatically lost the argument. "The fanbase" don't give a shit, if it has the Final Fantasy label anywhere on the box, it will sell like gangbusters.

 

[Ashour]

OMG! what a big surprise. Not really. I'm guessing it will be cross platform play.

 

[xtheEnemy]

Wouldn't surprise if Versus XIII is going to the 360 too.

 

[markot]

Bodes even more poorly for the PC version >_< Double consolification of an mmo? It has no chance!

 

[Kagari]

Bodes even more poorly for the PC version >_< Double consolification of an mmo? It has no chance!

Maybe the 360 version will have separate servers like Monster Hunter Frontier :lol

Nothing's been officially confirmed yet though, so topic title should probably be changed for now until S-E puts out a press release.

 

[Hex]

Maybe the 360 version will have separate servers like Monster Hunter Frontier :lol

Nothing's been officially confirmed yet though, so topic title should probably be changed for now until S-E puts out a press release.

Come now, we can at least get another ten to fifteen pages out of this with people only reading the thread title and nothing else easily.

 

[Cep]

Maybe the 360 version will have separate servers like Monster Hunter Frontier :lol

Nothing's been officially confirmed yet though, so topic title should probably be changed for now until S-E puts out a press release.

And end the lols?

Are you daft?

 

[Firestorm]

Considering an alpha build of the game was complete on PS3 before the 360 port announcement... yeah, going to say they planned it to be linear.

I don't understand how people can think such a major game design decision can be made so late in development.

 

[expy]

Cos everyone that works at Square-Enix is competent.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Why should picking the best tool for the job and doing an excellent job with it be solely a first-party task? The extent of this sentiment is arguing that no game should have assets for over 480p, yet all should only use dpad and two buttons, because those are the only features shared marketwide. Or that Live and HDTV support on the Xbox last gen was misguided.

Sometimes the best tool for the job isn't the one that's picked. Look at last gen, the Xbox was obviously the best tool out there on the console yet there were a lot of exclusive games for the PS2. The system that is chosen is mostly due to the contract and not because it's the best tool for the job.

My point was that it's up to the first parties to show what your system can do because they made the system, have the extra resources and can really show what it's capable of.

 

[duk]

I'm canceling my pre-order. This is ridiculous. All I ask for is one lousy exclusive and Square decides to kowtow to MS. At least Versus will still be exclusive.

why would u want a lousy exclusive?

 

[Forbiden]

I don't understand how people can think such a major game design decision can be made so late in development.

It's really not that hard, at least not the way I see it. The game could have been more open and they simply decided to scrap a lot of areas due to the way they were handling the 360 port. I'm not saying that's what happened, but there are tons of ways that the game could have originally been different or more open and was changed to being what it is.

And if the 360 is to blame for the way the game ended up, it's more due to the fact that the game spans on 3 discs and not on one. I am of the belief that SE didn't want to go the SO4 route and opted to make the game as linear as possible all up until the point where the 360 owners didn't have to swap discs in order to go back and do quests/get stuff.

What I really don't understand though, is how this ended up being a debate over Final Fantasy XIII when it's supposed to be about XIV....

 

[Brazil]

Wouldn't surprise if Versus XIII is going to the 360 too.

That would cause more meltdowns per square mile than XIII going 360 ever did.

 

[Jet Grind Radio!]

What I really don't understand though, is how this ended up being a debate over Final Fantasy XIII when it's supposed to be about XIV....

Because it was the last FF to go multiplatform, so it's used as a reference.