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Square Enix CV something something FFXIV for 360

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Broadbandito

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Ikkarus said:
360 + PS3 + PC = Great combo for an MMO.

The more users you have the better the experience if you ask me.
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exactly.

Maybe this announcement is part to do with Monster Hunter being announced for 360 as well?
 
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HappyBivouac

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Firewire said:
Wow...I thought no one cared because it was an online FF? Anyways wasn't it basically known to be PS360 game at its unveiling?
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Yep, nobody cares about this game. It's going to totally suck so bad, because it's an online game. Who actually likes those things anyway?
 
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Conrad Link

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What I find funny is that for FFXI, MS bent over backwards allowing all that crazy shit to get SE to release a FF title on 360.

Now that they're getting FFXIII, and probably feel SE 'need' to release games on their console also (lower PS3 base, higher expense development etc) even without persuasion, MS are all "Meh, naaar" to allowing them to do the same stuff they did with FFXI. :lol

I play FFXI on 360, migrated from the PS2 ver (went PC->PS2->360). If it was hitting day 1 I'd prolly go 360 again for XIV, but I doubt it will so PS3 version it is!
 
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charlequin

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AndyD said:
I wonder if MS is a stickler for Gold or a stickler for a kickback or a stickler for cross platform.
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Being uptight about servers that PS3 and PC gamers are also playing on doesn't make any particular sense. Literally no MMO that works on multiple platforms will ever provide this to anyone so holding this position is equivalent to refusing to allow MMOs on the platform unless they're exclusive to 360 -- which in itself is a pretty incomprehensible position.

The first two issues are really the same thing. Microsoft wants everyone who plays online to have to buy Gold because it makes them money. If S-E were willing to toss over $3.33 a month from the subscription fee Microsoft would just include Gold in the price and that'd be that. As it is, though, requiring Gold makes releasing the game in the first place pointless and so do kickbacks of that size, so it's really up to Microsoft to relent on this one.
 
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NYR

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Taurus said:
Square-Enix just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Final Fantasy XIV, nor will they purchase any of Square-Enix's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square-Enix has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square-Enix, publicly apologize and cancel Final Fantasy XIV for Xbox 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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LMAO, awesome, should be the first post.
 
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BlazingDarkness

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lame,misleading title ftl
thought it was an actual confirmation - E3 maybe?

I'm still thinking timed exclusive on PS3/PC, that's what Tretton had implied afterall
 
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Diablohead

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I'm not putting my cards on live ever again so it looks like I won't be playing it
on the 360, will give it a dip on PC.
 
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I AM JOHN!

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Conrad Link said:
What I find funny is that for FFXI, MS bent over backwards allowing all that crazy shit to get SE to release a FF title on 360.

Now that they're getting FFXIII, and probably feel SE 'need' to release games on their console also (lower PS3 base, higher expense development etc) even without persuasion, MS are all "Meh, naaar" to allowing them to do the same stuff they did with FFXI. :lol

I play FFXI on 360, migrated from the PS2 ver (went PC->PS2->360). If it was hitting day 1 I'd prolly go 360 again for XIV, but I doubt it will so PS3 version it is!
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I'm pretty sure it's not just a "Square rule." Can't you play PSU online without having a Gold subscription because of the Hunter's License? I'm pretty sure the policy is simply that Xbox Live Gold rules do not apply to games that require a monthly fee to play.
 
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qirex99

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Taurus said:
Square-Enix just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Final Fantasy XIV, nor will they purchase any of Square-Enix's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square-Enix has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square-Enix, publicly apologize and cancel Final Fantasy XIV for Xbox 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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cmon really....still?
 
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Mandoric

Banned
I AM JOHN! said:
Pay-to-play games operate outside Xbox Live.
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Not anymore--the "new" Monster Hunter port folds in Gold as part of the monstly subscription.

charlequin said:
Being uptight about servers that PS3 and PC gamers are also playing on doesn't make any particular sense. Literally no MMO that works on multiple platforms will ever provide this to anyone so holding this position is equivalent to refusing to allow MMOs on the platform unless they're exclusive to 360 -- which in itself is a pretty incomprehensible position.

The first two issues are really the same thing. Microsoft wants everyone who plays online to have to buy Gold because it makes them money. If S-E were willing to toss over $3.33 a month from the subscription fee Microsoft would just include Gold in the price and that'd be that. As it is, though, requiring Gold makes releasing the game in the first place pointless and so do kickbacks of that size, so it's really up to Microsoft to relent on this one.
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PSU is segregated into PS2/PC and 360 servers, so it's not as farfetched as it might appear. Monster Hunter, likewise, is going to split PC and 360, IIRC.

The second two are similar, but not exactly matched.
It's probably easier for S-E to bend on Gold requirement--limits playerbase, sure, but most people willing to play an MMO on 360 probably have it.
Folding the price in either results in a rise for everyone, which makes extra money per sub but suddenly makes FF more rather than less expensive than WoW or Aion; results in S-E handing over 1/4 of their long-term revenue, which is a complete non-starter; or kills account portability and pisses off both the X360 fanbase who have to pay 20% more than PS3 or PC users, and the PC fanbase who want to be able to craft/farm in their living room or while doing real work.
 
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MechDX

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Taurus said:
Square-Enix just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Final Fantasy XIV, nor will they purchase any of Square-Enix's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square-Enix has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square-Enix, publicly apologize and cancel Final Fantasy XIV for Xbox 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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Damn. Took 40 posts.:lol
 
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charlequin

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I AM JOHN! said:
I'm pretty sure it's not just a "Square rule." Can't you play PSU online without having a Gold subscription because of the Hunter's License? I'm pretty sure the policy is simply that Xbox Live Gold rules do not apply to games that require a monthly fee to play.
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Scuttlebutt on the no-show 360 version of FFXIV is that this isn't so much a "policy" as "something Microsoft did specifically for FFXI and PSU but are fighting to not have to do for FFXIV."
 
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I AM JOHN!

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Mandoric said:
Not anymore--the "new" Monster Hunter port folds in Gold as part of the monstly subscription.
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Well that's dumb. I'd apologize for my mistake, but you know what? I feel completely justified in making it, because my version is way less dumb.
 
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ShogunX

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What are the chances of this having Voice chat?

Half the PS3 users wont speak and the rest will go around emitting static and white noise due to the low quality $10 blue tooth mic they bought for MAG.
 
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Conrad Link

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I AM JOHN! said:
I'm pretty sure it's not just a "Square rule." Can't you play PSU online without having a Gold subscription because of the Hunter's License? I'm pretty sure the policy is simply that Xbox Live Gold rules do not apply to games that require a monthly fee to play.
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Dunno, my copy of PSU is still sealed. :lol

But yea, something was holding up a 360 version. And SE were blaming MS with them not allowing certain things now despite it being no problem for FFXI. MS are not putting out the welcome mat and extending the same deal for FFIV as they did for FFXI apparently.
 
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satori

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yay pvp in ff14 rite? rite? ps3 vs 360!!!

Seriously was there any surprise? Unless it is first party dev, its downright silly to be exclusive anymore on a business standpoint. Especially for an MMO.
 
LowParry

LowParry

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Choke on the Magic said:
You mean the game is cross platform? That's a huge deal. :)
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FF11 is all around. 14 should be no different. Unless MS has some sort of XBL policy or whatever. It'll be great!
 
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Conrad Link

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I want a Crystal Chronicles MMORPG on Wii! Something like My Life As A King or Actraiser or something, where people can visit/live in my town and then we can go adventuring after getting a mission!

But I know it wouldn't do so well and be shut down. ;(

Ah well, back to FFXI. <3
 
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DaveTheSnake

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I don't see anywhere where it confirms that it is coming to the 360.

And even if so, we probably won't see it until 2014 (sarcasm).
 
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charlequin

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Mandoric said:
PSU is segregated into PS2/PC and 360 servers, so it's not as farfetched as it might appear.
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PSU's not really an MMO, which makes it pretty different. MHF having different servers is interesting, though from what it sounds like to me we're really talking about a branched game altogether -- different assets, probably somewhat different content either at launch or over time, etc. In a case like that it makes sense to me to have split servers, whereas for a brand-new MMO that's already multiplatform it's almost certainly a non-starter.

The second two are similar, but not exactly matched.
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Well, my point is that they're really fundamentally connected. Both issues revolve around the same fundamental issue, which is that Microsoft feels entitled to getting paid for every user playing online on their console. You come up with a deal both parties can live with on either one, it almost certainly takes the other off the table in the process.
 
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charlequin

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I AM JOHN! said:
Well that's dumb. I'd apologize for my mistake, but you know what? I feel completely justified in making it, because my version is way less dumb.
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Agreed.

charsace said:
I am tired of Square Enix. All they care about is money and not their fans.
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Honestly I don't see much room to blame Square-Enix for this particular problem.

RustyNails said:
Hey 360 owners lets make a deal. You can have FF 14 in exchange for ME2 for PS3 :D
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I'll see if I can make it happen.
 
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Mandoric

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CcrooK said:
Hell, why not just toss in a PS2 and Wii version while you're at it. Bank on it SE!
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I endorse this concept just so we can hear eight more years of "That cannot be implemented due to PS2 limitations."

charlequin said:
PSU's not really an MMO, which makes it pretty different. MHF having different servers is interesting, though from what it sounds like to me we're really talking about a branched game altogether -- different assets, probably somewhat different content either at launch or over time, etc. In a case like that it makes sense to me to have split servers, whereas for a brand-new MMO that's already multiplatform it's almost certainly a non-starter.
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PSU's not exactly the same, but it's still by far the closest example. Especially if the Guildleve system is instanced.
 
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Darkman M

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RustyNails said:
Hey 360 owners lets make a deal. You can have FF 14 in exchange for ME2 for PS3 :D
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Play ME 2 on your PC and MMORPG are certainly always superior on PC as well. These type of games are never hardware hungry so there really isn't a good reason to play them on anything but pc 99% of the time.
 
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Yuripaw

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the more ways for people to play Final Fantasy XIV, the better I say. As long as it works like FFXI, and servers are shared across all platforms.
 
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charsace

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charlequin said:
Agreed.



Honestly I don't see much room to blame Square-Enix for this particular problem.



I'll see if I can make it happen.
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FF started out on a sony system and should remain there. They can just put Dragon Quest on everything else.
 
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Kishgal

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Both Dragona and Aeana said it was coming to 360 ages ago. IIRC, they were even surprised at the exclusivity announcement because it had been running on 360.

The more platforms the better.
 
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liquidlogan

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charsace said:
I am tired of Square Enix. All they care about is money and not their fans.
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I guess their fans on the 360 aren't real fans, huh?





Its funny reading this and the Mass Effect 2 PS3 thread together. Same idea in principle, but only here everyone is freaking the hell out. I'm not sure what to make of it, just saying.
 
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Mandoric

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Darkman M said:
Play ME 2 on your PC and MMORPG are certainly always superior on PC as well. These type of games are never hardware hungry so there really isn't a good reason to play them on anything but pc 99% of the time.
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What? :lol FFXI came out in 2002, and I can still make it go sub-30fps on a decent budget gaming rig pretty much at will. Any individual model or AI isn't that taxing, but MMOs are great for having 100 full-detail characters on screen, 75 of which are unique models and 50 of which are doing unique visual effects.
 
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Darkman M

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Mandoric said:
What? :lol FFXI came out in 2002, and I can still make it go sub-30fps on a decent budget gaming rig pretty much at will. Any individual model or AI isn't that taxing, but MMOs are great for having 100 full-detail characters on screen, 75 of which are unique models and 50 of which are doing unique visual effects.
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I ran FFXI on a ati 9600 compac with like 1 or 2 gig ram or some shit. No decent pc should have a problem running that game no way no how.

Thats part of the reason games like Wow are so popular you don't need powerful hardware to run them. I myself stop playing mmo's years ago with FFXI so thiings might have changed since then.
 
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BobLoblaw

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Taurus said:
Square-Enix just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Final Fantasy XIV, nor will they purchase any of Square-Enix's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square-Enix has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square-Enix, publicly apologize and cancel Final Fantasy XIV for Xbox 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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http://ffxiii360.ytmnd.com/

Man, I go so many lulz outta this one I bookmarked it. Never. Gets. Old.
 
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Conrad Link

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I can't imagine playing FFXI on anything other than the way it was originally intended, a controller and keyboard. Mouse and crap just seems craaaazy to me!

I guess that's what playing on one way for nearly 7 (I think it is now?) years will do to you. Mouse and keyboard people might think I'm crazy! :p

My brother plays on PC, but he uses my old USB adaptor thing to connect a PS2 controller that I used up until the PS2 version.
 
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Cynar

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Mad_Ban said:
Wasn't this always destined for the 360, but problems between SE and MS were holding it up?
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yup, seems like a lot of people didn't know that I guess. It was in an interview like a week after it was announced.

DMPrince said:
fuck. this sucks ;(
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:lol how so?
 
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