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[Bladenic]

Well, he was defending Final Fantasy: All the Bravest. Thats worth a ban...

Rejoicing in someone's ban isn't okay in my book.

 

[MajorGravy]

They're lucky they own some good western game devs. Otherwise they would be in more trouble for releasing games no one wants. They will be redeemed this gen if they release FF7 HD REMAKE, KH3, FFXIII-VERSUS. Or some new IP that's totally awesome. If they have the resources they should buy Mistwalker which is where their good employees are anyways.

 

[Orin GA]

Rejoicing in someone's ban isn't okay in my book.

WHAT? I can't hear you over all the Champagne bottles I'm opening up simultaneously. Let me turn down the Kool and The Gang music down!

Relax, he'll be back

 

[Narolf]

Alright, time to force my way out of this.

I just don't think it needs to be sliced and divided into sections. It causes this bullshit, ridiculous gang mentality that just damages the ability for the Final Fantasy community to be a strong thing. There's a lot of amazing people who love the series and could build one of the better gaming communities online, but they undermine themselves with this stuff.

The same is true of any gaming community - there's always going to be fights and battles, be it Wind Waker versus Twilight Princess, SF4 versus Third Strike or Sakaguchi era versus Modern era, but I feel the venom spat in the FF community is far worse, and over the last five years in particular it's become one of the most conflict-driven, uninviting gaming fanbases online. That's sad.

People are entitled to their opinions, even within that fan base, and the reason people get so upset, riled up and complain so much is because they care. FF is special to them. The complainers don't deserve to be sneered at for their opinions any more than those who love the newer games, and the respect the two groups should have for each other is a two way street. I see plenty of 'haters' at the throats of FF13 fans just because, utterly failing to actually make any points about why they feel how they do, but I see an equal number of people on the other side of the fence doing the Iraqi information minster act, writing off opinions of people who don't like it because they assume they're just another negative nancy out to dump on Lightning.

If you look at other similar fan communities - say Zelda or Sonic - they have the same differences of opinion floating throughout them, but without the venomous, poisonous snide that's in FF. It's true on GAF, or the fan sites. Kagari knows this theory of mine well, but I think of all game series' Final Fantasy is most similar to Sonic in its fans and their reaction to the path the series has taken (FF14 is our Sonic 06?) There is a split, absolutely (black eyes versus green eyes!) and the series has definitely gone in interesting places, sometimes good, sometimes bad, but that community has always kept their shit relatively together through all that, while the FF community both at GAF and at large just seems to keep splitting itself over and over into these ridiculous camps.

I don't know you, dude, and that comment wasn't intended as a direct comment on you (and was probably a bit poorly phrased), but I can't describe how much things like what you said, slicing the fan base up and essentially encouraging the groups to cannibalize each other and in-fight until people get so pissed off they leave irritates me. The labels basically end up promoting fighting over intelligent discussion, and they're also... well, they're labels. They're basic, restrictive, and don't allow for the nuance that being a real fan entails. For most of these people it isn't about hating all the games after or before a certain point, but far more than that, and just labelling them as 'Nomuraites' or 'Sakaguchi disciples' or whatever else doesn't cover it, and it just causes the two camps to butt heads harder than they otherwise might. It's one of the reasons I don't show up in the FF threads or communities too often these days - the constant stream of fighting over thoughtful discussion slays me.

I know your theory, I have read your last article. I know you much more than you know me, as much of an embarrassment as it may be. Consequently, I've edited my previous post with two hyper-links.

Intention behind that post of mine slicing up the fan-base was to "call out" that hive-mind who keeps bringing unwarranted negativity to FF/SE threads, moreover when they start ganging up against individuals cowardly. I guess that's where we differ here: folks take cheap shots at people on the most remote, isolated tribunes; I call out on GAF. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

The backlash on Lunchwithyuzo was not warranted.

A Wii FFXIII would've hit market years earlier, been significantly less costly to make, and likely sold similarly in the end imo (maybe a bit better in Japan, maybe a bit worse elsewhere). It also would've resulted in a far different, and likely far less linear, game. It also could have been PS2 multiplatform, which would've raised it's market potential exponentially.

It also would've centralized the JRPG base on Wii earlier, which is a part of the reason you saw Tales doing so well on PS3 (in Japan) versus other consoles. Not that Tales makes for a great genre argument, it also bombed on DS while DQ hit record highs, and Graces f megabombed in the west compated to Vesperia 360 or even Symphonia DOTNW.

It's really moot now though, since SE forged ahead with likely the the worst managed and most overbudget major Japanese game this gen. And from the looks of things, they'll be repeating the same mistake with Agni's Philosophy/FFXV.

True, his post may have transpired a blasphemy, but folks didn't even give him the chance to elaborate.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying earlier. A PS2/Wii FFXIII wouldn't have just been a visually cut down FFXIII PS3/360, it would have been a different game entirely. FFXIII's game design was a result of SE's development process, where by assets were created internally first and the structure followed from that. The entire scope of the project would've changed on SD hardware, not just the graphics.

It's only when he got around to do that his stance made perfect sense.

Everything you said is true. Everything. However, if you're going to be that judgmental towards people of my kind, you might as well not exempt your judgment on said other kind. Case is very simple: either you're abiding by a double-standard out of peer-pressure or you're oblivious about the other side of the coin.

I can redirect you to the isolated tribunes I'm talking about in private. I can't do it in public since that would be importing drama. I've done that way, way too much as of late... and I've done it once again as a preface to my reply, with the two hyper-links. Already said it before, but the last thing I want in this day and age is to get banned from GAF. As it stands, I can feel drops of blood slowly descend over my back.

 

[nasos_333]

Why do big budget games that look like generic MMOs, when can do incredible games like Bravely Default with 1/10 the budget and 10x the sales if marketed right

Bravely Default is a game i would pay 200$ for easilly, FF13 is a game that would barely want to throw in the garbage bin, just in case someone finds it and plays it