BlazingDarkness
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those are the scans i saw with the 'multiple language recording included' written on
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Square Enix TGS report
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Why wouldn't they include the latest trailers? I don't know, why would they? They didn't last time they put out trailers for the games, the Cloud DVD has old versions of them both. The Sony booth had old versions of trailers at TGS. They seem resilient to show anything up to date to the public.duckroll said:
I hope they will include the newest ones, I was just saying they might not.
stuburns said:
The Could DVD never promised the latest trailer for FFXIII and FFVersusXIII. I warned people way before when it was all hyped out that it would probably not be new. It merely said that they would both be "Special Trailers" while for the other titles on the DVD they specifically listed where the trailers were from (mostly from S-E Party 2007).
Here it clearly says "High Definition versions of the latest trailer" for both Versus and Agito.
Auron_Kale
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Can't wait for ACC - hope the transfer looks amazing on blu-ray. Oh Play-Asia, when will you let me pre-order? ;_;
SE should make movies more often, at least short OVAs straight to DVD.
They well could milk many of their FF titles and franchises this way. Fans would be all over them.
Even a new Anime, base it on Ivalice, or on NFC, don't look back at Unlimited, just look around at Capcom and SF4. Get Production I.G or Studio 4C to do the dirty work, and
succes is guaranteed.
They well could milk many of their FF titles and franchises this way. Fans would be all over them.
Even a new Anime, base it on Ivalice, or on NFC, don't look back at Unlimited, just look around at Capcom and SF4. Get Production I.G or Studio 4C to do the dirty work, and
with a decent story,
BlazingDarkness
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:lolduckroll said:You're fucking disgusting. Your avatar is a fucking awful redesign, and you're encouraging S-E to touch Ivalice again. I don't like your kind.
duckroll said:You're fucking disgusting. Your avatar is a fucking awful redesign, and you're encouraging S-E to touch Ivalice again. I don't like your kind.
Want to like me less?
I would encourage SE to create a Vana'diel single player game so every mmo-hater can actually experience how good the stories from FFXI and all the exapansions are.
stuburns said:
I don't think you understand what "real-time footage" we might be talking about. The scene where Noctis meets Stella, as shown in both the DKS3713 trailer and the TGS one, is supposedly an in-engine cutscene. That's all. We're not talking about the actual gameplay footage that they showed off at DKS3713 which had Noctis doing teleports and running around the Olympus Colossium and the mountain trial. That's not a trailer, that was a special reward for fans that managed to attend that event.
I'll say that we'll definitely be seeing that scene in the trailer, in HD, but what I'm confused is why it's really a huge deal, since we've all seen direct feed HD screens from the scene already. :lol
-Kh- said:
That would be great. What isn't great is awful shitty kiddy art and shitting on Matsuno's grave. :lol
BlazingDarkness
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it was talkin about the guy you thought, Takeya, dont worry.JCreasy said:don't play with my fragile emotions
stuburns said:
I think the biggest difference between ACC and the Cloud artbook is that S-E is publishing ACC. Dengeki published the Cloud artbook, so they only have whatever materials that S-E gives them. Whenever S-E promises the latest trailer (especially when they put them online for S-E Members) they always deliver. The notion that they're hiding trailers on purpose is a misconception, it's just something people tend to feel when they get hyped up based on false expectations and get disappointed over and over.
Well, I used to think that till TGS, but the fact that they were showing the old Cell Phone Agito trailer in the Sony booth, even though it's not really representative of the current product, made me think they really do just not want people to have it.duckroll said:I think the biggest difference between ACC and the Cloud artbook is that S-E is publishing ACC. Dengeki published the Cloud artbook, so they only have whatever materials that S-E gives them. Whenever S-E promises the latest trailer (especially when they put them online for S-E Members) they always deliver. The notion that they're hiding trailers on purpose is a misconception, it's just something people tend to feel when they get hyped up based on false expectations and get disappointed over and over.
But I guess you're right. Maybe there are other reasons behind their behavior.
Really? Since when?-Kh- said:
BlazingDarkness
Member
stuburns said:
Since forever (when i say forever i actually mean, from like.. FFX lol)
they always used different models, battle/field/cut-scene are all different, the level of detail varies with each
FFX yuna Left = field/battle Right = Cutscene
stuburns said:
Well, is it really S-E's fault that they would not want to give Sony the latest trailers to show at -their- booth when S-E is running their own booth and theatre at the event? I don't think it's really surprising, and Sony is pretty dumb to be so desperate for more trailers to agree to take the old ones imo. It's not like S-E forced them to.
BlazingDarkness said:
Exactly, using high res models for characters running around a field is a waste of resources, so those models are tonned down, less polys, textures don't have as much detail.
If I would said so, they might even use 3 types of models for many games:
- The lower res for running around, talking to people and etc.
- The middle res for battles, since usually there are close ups.
- The high res for real-time cutscenes.
Actually make that 4, with FMV sequences.
BlazingDarkness
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stuburns said:
i updated my post with an FFX one to help you see what we mean
RpgN said:
That's because of the real-time battle, you don't change modes from running around into a battle screen mode. Therefore the character models in FFXII are the same in the field.
They just have the field/cutscenes models.
stuburns said:
I replied to you with a general answer, and this applies as well for other type of games that use a field/cutscene approach too.
But it is the same for Versus and XIII, hopefully someone has those screens at hand.
RpgN said:
They're not supposed to look worse in gameplay. They generally look the same. The main differences are stuff you would never notice in gameplay (since it doesn't happen), like facial animations, the detailed way they speak, the more detailed poses the general character model can make, etc. In actual gameplay, there's no reason why you would see any of those, so they can drop a lot of polygons and intricit details leaving just enough for the character and textures to generally look the "same".
BlazingDarkness
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stuburns said:
obviously, but it's the same prinicpal
RpgN
Junior Member
-Kh- said:
That makes sense, thanks.
Duckroll, that might be true but the difference is huge between FFXII and X(-2) in this regard. The gameplay models look ugly there and it's pretty noticeable. When I zoom a FFXII character in towns (or fields), it's hard to notice much difference besides the animation and facial expression. They really did a better job there which in turn fooled me for a second :lol
RpgN
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duckroll said:That's because in terms of modeling and textures, the FFXII/VS team > the KH team >>>>> the regular FF team.
Agreed. VS looked really good for its time.
And yes, KH team are definitely better than the regular FF team with this. I'm 100% positive FF Versus will look technically better than FFXIII.
Death_Born
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stuburns said:
I doubt it's a CGI cutscene. Look at the ground - it's not bump-mapped. Not to mention the aliasing and polygonal bracelets. An in-game cutscene, but still in-game.
stuburns said:
I know the PS3 is really good, but unless SE wants less quality of what the PS3 is able to do, there is no way that the graphics will be the same all overall.
If they were to push the PS3 to the max and make the graphics cutscene quality during the whole gameplay experience, it would be one of two choises:
1. An above average good looking game.
2. The best graphic-wise game, barring Crysis-like games, that would feature 5-8 characters maximum per screen, that including enemies, in a rather small location (indoors), running at 15-20 fps.
None of those scenarios can be acepted, you need to have a balance, you can't have the best looking game on PS3 with a shitty framerate.
I'm going to tell you a short out of NDA anecdote (I'll make it short):
January 10, 2008. GTAIV running on a PS3, best looking game on PS3, better than anything 360 to that date, better than anything PC (leaving Crysis out again).
Sadly, the game was impossible to play. Framerate would drop to very low at any moment, move the camera too fast, good bye framerate; speed up in your car, good bye framerate; get into a crowded area, good bye framerate. That's not even mentioning the numerous hangs that would occur at any moment just by being 'reckless' (a.k.a: trying to play).
Night time, with all these lights was hell, and I don't even want to remember the rainy weather.
1 week later, after failing the game, we received a more decent 1.01 version, with not that good graphics, but playable, at a steady (say 20 fps) framerate.
March 2008, about month and a half to release date, and we received the 1.02 version, running smoothly as the retail copy, but with graphics that looked nothing like the first version.
I hope this little story helps for the understanding of the little issue which is Graphics vs Framerate.
Death_Born said:
I don't understand your point, when I say cutscene, I mean real-time cutscene. So it would be in the same real-time environments as the gameplay.
And I noticed the character models are different, I just don't see why that shot would be gameplay, not a real-time cutscene.
I don't think you understand my point at all.-Kh- said:
Think about a scene in FFXII when you're in an environment where there is gameplay, and there is an in-engine cutscene. If it's being rendered in real-time in both occasions, why would the higher poly character model run at a decent framerate when it's a cutscene, and not while playing? I don't see how this is any sort of compromise. It can either run with the good poly model or not, can't it?
RpgN said:
I'm really, really excited about Jun Akiyama working on Versus too. The cutscenes he directed in VS, KH1 and FFXII were fucking amazing. The way the scenes are composed, and the way characters interact, it's totally in a class of it's own. In comparison, KH2 felt like it was just trying too hard to be cool.
BlazingDarkness
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Death_Born
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