I think Kingdom Come: Deliverance is still on CryEngine.
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Star Citizen transitions to Amazon Lumberyard, Releases Alpha 2.6
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I think Kingdom Come: Deliverance is still on CryEngine.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think you will see console focused, or people who have mastered the console version of the game and are porting it to PC with the same care, handle DX12 and Vulkan a lot better (at least on some GPU's).
People screamed, rightfully, not to have a huge runtime/driver between the game and the GPU and now they do have that more deterministic model they wanted, but they do not have a driver helping the games run faster and they need to target all the GPU warts and performance differences themselves. Not an easy task.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
There were likely business considerations going on that they couldn't disclose due to the ongoing problems at Crytek
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Like what though? Buying the full source code license does not mean you cannot license then another engine... I do. It think a single year is anywhere near enough time to make people forget about potential issues of transferring IP that is not your to the new engine (copy and paste, it can be simple as that), but in this case I think that they essentially moved sideways staying on pretty much the same technical node of CryEngine (which Crytek massively updated after the Lumberyard fork btw).
RubberJohnny
Banned
Lmao none of this is true, the world some of you live in is hilarious.
What tech upgrade did Amazon get? There's no indication any of CIGs changes are being integrated, and what would they even integrate when every feature is buggy and unfinished?
I like the suggestion that this effort, which from their own newsletter took a year of work, is to lower costs for servers, because it's so absurd. They don't even have finished netcode, so they don't even know what their costs are! If they couldn't afford servers at this point, the project would be massively fucked, they wouldn't be able to pay the devs! This is your defence???
They had no ongoing relationship with CryTek, so no. They lied to backers, like they always do.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
With all the confidence y'all about them taking their time you can't blame them for doing the work then shipping it
frontieruk
Member
They went from CE3 to CE5 and got to scrap all the work they did to use Google Compute to port it to Amazon Web Services.
Seems a legit move.
Evolution of Metal
Member
I don't think that you should spin it this way. We don't know what the exact agreements with Crytek are and I don't see how that would affect a separate company's ability to communicate with their players. In this particular case, I like that they did the work before announcing anything. If they told the community about moving to a new (even if it is a similar version of Cryengine which they have), people would react negatively because CIG does not give release dates.
Not giving release dates/windows because the community reacts negatively when developer misses those windows is a stupid excuse for any game, but that is a separate issue. I don't think that there is another community which would tolerate this.
Everything is a trainwreck huh
Killroyskbg
Member
Why am I not suprised that even though CIG not only spend a year porting this but never said a word about it to the ones paying for it they still are the ones going.
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
I mean, this has to be a mess when it comes out right? I sure don't hope so, but man, so many engines, transitions and modules. Oh well, I'll remain optimistic with the Cryengine -> Cryengine thing.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
This assume CiG starts merging their changes on be public Lumberyard though, this is not a given.
Also, a big push towards Amazon may be to be clear of any possible licensing issue which as an entity declaring technically 0 profits they would not have to pay to Crytek for example.
I mean, you could just play the alpha they released instead of speculating about the game's quality.
ashecitism
Member
CIG is located in Austin, right? I guess Amazon opening a Lumberyard studio there recently was no coincidence.
RubberJohnny
Banned
Also in this patch, $70 for a missile
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Holy crap Amazon's game engine is called Lumberyard? That HAS to be intentional, right?
I think the biggest thing is them using their own fork as an excuse for the slow release of content. The fanbase had already bought into the narrative that "Star Engine" was so different from the base cryengine that it was its own thing.
Then up comes lumberyard and some people think "Hey what if CIG switches to this?" and the fanbase was like "Oh why would they do that!? Star Engine is way better, they've been working on it for years now!" of course now they've always been at war with eurasia and lumberyard is great.
Make no mistake, the switch to lumberyard is an actual good thing on the long run. But it pokes massive holes at the idea that their own fork was that much different from what they were already working on with cryengine 3.0
Also now they fanbase has a convenient excuse to say development started this year for when we are in 2018 and SQ42 has yet to ship.
Then up comes lumberyard and some people think "Hey what if CIG switches to this?" and the fanbase was like "Oh why would they do that!? Star Engine is way better, they've been working on it for years now!" of course now they've always been at war with eurasia and lumberyard is great.
Make no mistake, the switch to lumberyard is an actual good thing on the long run. But it pokes massive holes at the idea that their own fork was that much different from what they were already working on with cryengine 3.0
Also now they fanbase has a convenient excuse to say development started this year for when we are in 2018 and SQ42 has yet to ship.
Do you understand how forks work in development?
Is this a fork of "you dont understand game development"? lol
I am a bit tired of seeing this game isn't even out despite years.Yes I know aaa games have already been in development for years when they are announced, but still, seeing million keep being poured in this game and virtual ships are sold for hundred of dollars, i feel a bit disgusted/depressed.
This is real dumb. Nothing about your previous post indicated you understand anything at all. Writing a salty post following a post where you just wrote a bunch of nonsense.
They can't just regress their engine to vanilla Lumberyard. What they did is replace the parts of their engine that were still vanilla CE (~50%) to the Lumberyard equivalents. That's it.
I should point out that whatever work they did on GCE carries straight over. Their architecture wasn't designed with such dependencies. They could have moved to Azure, if they so decided (indeed was part of the plan for locations like Australia which still don't have GCE).
stryker1138
Member
Putting aside the engine switch, is the game good now? That trailer looked pretty solid to me...
Also in this patch, $70 for a missile
What's the story behind this?
Download it and give it a try, there is a free demo going on. Known issue: some people have problems downloading the lasts bits of the 30GB client, if that happens you have to use a VPN to finish the download.
1000UEC= $1
Just a way to monetize things further.
Coreda
Member
Also in this patch, $70 for a missile
They're now charging for missiles?
Evolution of Metal
Member
Yeah I would like to hear some SC players to give us more details on this. Do you actually have to pay currency for better ship weaponry?
They could still be using the render capabilities and additions of their own fork i.e. Star Engine and use the networking advantages of Lumberyard.
To the person who was talking about how if it's simple enough to port from Star Engine to Lumberyard then it probably means their fork wasn't too deep in the first place. Well you are not considering the fact that the majority of resources are spent on R&D...once it's done it's easy and fast to replicate it.
The R&D needed to get to that fork was already done. Considering Lumberyard is another fork of the same base engine it would be relatively straigntforward to add those same gains made by Star Engine to Lumberyard...and in the mean time benefit from Lumberyard's superior networking.
To the person who was talking about how if it's simple enough to port from Star Engine to Lumberyard then it probably means their fork wasn't too deep in the first place. Well you are not considering the fact that the majority of resources are spent on R&D...once it's done it's easy and fast to replicate it.
The R&D needed to get to that fork was already done. Considering Lumberyard is another fork of the same base engine it would be relatively straigntforward to add those same gains made by Star Engine to Lumberyard...and in the mean time benefit from Lumberyard's superior networking.
Evolution of Metal
Member
So what are those items for? Give me more details and the context of that screenshot? Is it even legit?
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
Is it free now? I might then, if my crappy PC supports it. Last time I checked it was 40ish bucks for an alpha version with one starter ship, which might even get stolen? Not sure about the last part, but as long as I'd have to pay for a clearly unfinished game, Imma pass, especially if I can't say how/if it'll run.
artsi
Member
Nah, they random generate names for their business divisions
Of course it's intentional.
It is UEC which the the currency used in the game universe. Of course you can convert UEC with real money, which is what they will use to fund things like server costs. Either way you don't have to buy it, you can just earn it in-game.
Coreda
Member
How much UEC is collected during standard play? Is this a situation where, like microtransactions in other games, it's just far easier to pay for such items or can realistically a player buy these in-game without it costing a fortune?
Muppet of a Man
Member
Amazing how a game can have so much funding, yet have such poor art direction.
RubberJohnny
Banned
You might want to point out the ability to permanently unlock it in the game is not yet implemented. Alpha UEC != UEC.
The only way to get these ships and macrotransactions is pay. And no refunds on the Voyager Direct store!
You can't even earn them in game yet, the thing the backers all surprisingly fail to mention is the ability to do so is "planned", not actually implemented, even though we're in the fifth year of development.
Still in the air. Ultimately that will be balanced by the game economy. Though notably you'll have a cap on the amount of UEC you can purchase in a period of time. As it stands now you can rent any item with temporary credits, which aren't hard to get.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Most things in the game can be paid for with real money if you want to support development of the game.
Feels a bit unnecessary at this point given the $130 million + they've crowdsourced, but to each their own I guess.
Coreda
Member
Oh boy.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
As long as they do not do the classic "you can earn it in game, but we have made it as unpleasant as possible that we know enough people will spend money and maybe hopefully the rest will too once they realise they are not as competitive as they would like to be" F2P trick then yeah.
Except that the entire economy is dynamic based on in game events and locations. Which makes setting exact conversion rates a bit different.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
What he helpfully fails to mention is that you can get that stuff with REC. For all his digs about people hiding information, he'll happily twist it to suit his agenda.
RubberJohnny
Banned
Nothing I've posted is incorrect.
You're the one misleading people by posting they can buy stuff with UEC earned in game:
I mean look at that lie, why would someone feel the need to lie over a videogame like this?
Evolution of Metal
Member
It looks like there is a clear paid advantage in the game but you are downplaying it because the business of SC isn't sustainable, therefore CIG must sell advantage to cover the costs.
You can debate whether it is a P2W game because of it, but the fact remains that paid advantage is going to be a part of SC if they don't shift to sub-based business model.
It seems like there is an easy path of bashing all the people who write "Scam" or "Trainwreck" about SC, but it is very hard to debate about things like a business model, in-game shop, development goals and deadlines.
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