Don't expect it to ever perform well on your box. This game is being designed to bring future computers to their knees.
I am however presuming you have mid-to-high end PC.
Star Citizen's Arena Commander is free to try until March 15th (PAX East promotion)
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Don't expect it to ever perform well on your box. This game is being designed to bring future computers to their knees.
I am however presuming you have mid-to-high end PC.
Fair enough, yeah, I roughly got 40 FPS, sometimes dropping below that. It's okay but could be better but I guess that makes sense.
staticneuron
Member
There's really a digital package for $15K? God damn, man...
Edit: Saw this was an extension of pledges... still a lot of money, who in their right mind has that lying around?
People who are wealthy have that much money lying around.
The point is that the package is literally every ship in the game. It is 45 ships. It is all the ships and their variants. No one would need every ship and their variants because they are modifiable in game and some are dedicated purpose ships and others are all multi purpose ships.
I have seen people mention that package but has anyone ever bothered to click on the more info link there to realize what is inside it. I wouldn't even imagine it to be desirable for alot of people.
And what type of inertial resistance are you expecting in the frictionless vacuum of space?
GearDraxon
Member
Ironically, that package page explicitly states that it doesn't include the Javelin. So much for "people not bothering to read the link."
Moreover, you're correct in stating that wealthy people have that much laying around, and $15k isn't a big deal to them. I think most people are more concerned with the perception that you have to spend $100+ on an unreleased game to get much out of it. I don't agree, but I've been following it since day 1. The perception is CIG's issue, and they're going to have to work hard to fix it.
Or they won't! They already have enough money to produce the game, and I'm sure there are a ton of people who are waiting for the actual release. They'll buy it for $60, and be just as happy as with a game whose development wasn't quite as public.
staticneuron
Member
Ironically, that package page explicitly states that it doesn't include the Javelin. So much for "people not bothering to read the link."
Moreover, you're correct in stating that wealthy people have that much laying around, and $15k isn't a big deal to them. I think most people are more concerned with the perception that you have to spend $100+ on an unreleased game to get much out of it. I don't agree, but I've been following it since day 1. The perception is CIG's issue, and they're going to have to work hard to fix it.
Or they won't! They already have enough money to produce the game, and I'm sure there are a ton of people who are waiting for the actual release. They'll buy it for $60, and be just as happy as with a game whose development wasn't quite as public.
Touche!
The Javelin Destroyer is pretty awesome (the org I belong to actually has 4 of them) but iirc it was only introduced 4 months ago, for limited time and it's sole purpose was to
So it make sense it is not in any of the multi-ship packages available.
This issue with perception is that it would easily be erased by doing the most basic research or asking someone in the SC AC page.
I think the sheer fact that they got so large is because people who are actually interested took the time to look up the entry point while others who don't really care, make quick knee jerk assumptions upon passing by. In all honesty that is perfectly ok because as you said the game certainly has enough to be made and chances are it will only get bigger instead of smaller the more that is released.
Zalusithix
Member
The patcher pulls from their CDN, and it's probably being hammered by everybody taking advantage of the free period. It does have P2P functionality, but it's not currently used AFAIK due to litigation issues. There might be an up to date unofficial torrent someplace, but no official distribution that I'm aware of.
Skyfireblaze
Member
Quick question, is it normal that I can only pick Drone Match in Arena Commander? I would like to do a match against other players if possible 
GearDraxon
Member
Quick question, is it normal that I can only pick Drone Match in Arena Commander? I would like to do a match against other players if possible
The PAX Free Flight promotion is single-player only, looks like. There was confusion when it first launched, because some people were able to play multiplayer - but they already had Arena Commander access in some other form.
Click on the settings option in the launcher - tick advanced settings - force HTTP (without P2P) downloading....
Full speed downloads.
Skyfireblaze
Member
Ah I see that's too bad but I won't complain about free things
And I wonder, I read the previous linked Star Citizen flightschool on Reddit and found it pretty overwhelming so I have two questions regarding the thrusters based from my own observation:Uncoupled Mode means my acceleration main-thruster is running on a fixed value?
If I turn G-SAFE off it basically means that my inertia won't be auto corrected and I have quasi full manual control?
Is this right?
Zalusithix
Member
P2P should speed up downloads, not slow them down. (Unless you're behind a horrible router or if the client completely saturated the UL bandwidth.) Regardless, unless you have newer information stating otherwise, the P2P option shouldn't even be functional which would leave any change purely coincidental.
Official posts aside, I'd also believe it if you have proof of P2P connections happening at the OS level such as a netstat -a with no other P2P clients running.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Consider yourself lucky, I get those speeds on a good day and that's the best I can get at all for at least two more years thanks to a lack of fibre.
Maybe this is why it is so much easier to control and win with a mouse? In AC it is much more important to point and click than actually fly your ship.
For all this complicated flight model we hear about, I think it feels a lot like an FPS in space. I hope they nerf the mouse commander controls for 2.0... All this background complexity has to somehow end up affecting gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT3ZvnUnUkU
Dictator93
Member
Dat v. 9 footage. Really man?
Great post. I also checked a while back and was overwhelmed by it all. Your post cleared that up for me. Thanks for that.
Tried the demo, now I am massively interested. Thanks again
Yeah, lets put outdated footage in potato quality to prove Your point lol
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This is good and recent gameplay footage worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opMGRIpUbO8
kutthoat5150
Member
Free-Fly week for all package owners starting Friday where you can test out all the available flyable ships. Can't wait to try out that Gladius
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/239100
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/239100
Anton Sugar
Member
Do either of you mind explaining what is wrong with this footage (other than the quality), or what has changed to the flight model since then?
Genuinely curious, as I've never played SC (though I likely will now!) and play a bit of ED. The flight models look completely different and SC looks a lot more arcadey. Just going by videos here--again, I've never played it.
Dictator93
Member
Your video is from a time when all the starter ships (aka trainers as they were called then) had ALL weapons on gimbals... of any size and type (preferring mouse users). Currently, fixed weaopns are more powerful than gimballed (giving an advtange to joystickers). It is also before flight model changes to make strafing more relevant. It is also before the implementation of ESP (to prevent over compensation on a joystick).
This and a whole host of other changes. I play exclusively with a hotas and do not have problems.
Scs flight model is FAR from arcadey. And its weapon and game balance is moving more and more towards simulation as time goes on and more system are turned on (stealth, detection, chaffe, missiles, etc...).
Oh, now that's what I'm talking about. I'd like to try out the Gladius, too. It looks great in videos.
Dictator93
Member
Ill be trying out the gladius and the hornet series. I love those ships!
Anton Sugar
Member
Thanks for explaining! As a fairly new HOTAS user, it was puzzling to me that a flight model would favor MKB over HOTAS, which is what I had heard, and some vids I watched didn't help. Hope I get to try it myself this week!
Watch this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBf9Ii_JOQk
This is from version 0.92 so only 0.01 higher than video Pomerlaw posted.
Now add to this video over 4 months of improvements and tons of revamped and added mechanics, like signature, missle and noise systems etc.
Its real pre-alpha, CIG do not fear to experiment and revamp everything just get it right. Posting very outdated footage is dishonest at best.
JimmyRustler
Member
Thanks for the tipp OP.
Now I haven't been much into Star Citizen yet. What's up with those prices? 150 $ for a single ship? Is this a joke? Does that warrant you the full game once it's completed?
Now I haven't been much into Star Citizen yet. What's up with those prices? 150 $ for a single ship? Is this a joke? Does that warrant you the full game once it's completed?
- It's a donation
- Many of the ship pledges only give you the ship once you own a copy of the game — you have to buy the game separately, unless a package explicitly states that it comes with the game
- You don't have to buy any ship — once the full game is released, you'll be able to get any ship you want within the game for free; you pay real money now to help with game development and gain early access to the ship
[edit] If anyone wants to buy the game along with alpha and beta access, these are the two packages that you want (choose whichever one you like better):
Aurora MR AC $45
Mustang Alpha AC $45
If you don't want alpha and beta access and just want the cheapest possible copy of the game so that you'll have it for when it eventually goes gold, this is the package you want:
Aurora MR $30
I paid 35$, which grants me full game both Star Citizen [full MMO without a subscription] and Squadron 42, additional expansion pack [over 100h of SP content with main campaign] when it will be released after they finish Squadron 42, access to all alphas and betas and all backers rewards since the start of the campaign.
Sweet fucking deal.
TheVoidDragon
Member
You get the full game with the ships, the cheapest you can get is the package with the Aurora. You don't need to buy anything other than that, all the ships will be obtainable in the game once it's released, the ship packages are just there to help fund development.
Ships will all have different roles, so the ship packages let players start in their preferred role at the games launch, but you'll be able to get the ships in-game without too much work or you can outfit another ship for that role instead. There's no 'win' with this game, you do what you want and it's mostly skill based.
chrominance
Member
And to elaborate further, the reason why people are paying for ships beyond helping to fund development is a) they get the ships immediately, instead of having to earn them, and b) I believe they get lifetime insurance for free, meaning if their ship gets blown up they get a new one at no cost. Usually you have to pay for insurance on any ship you own past the starter one. I don't recall if packages being sold now still come with the insurance or if that was just a limited-time/Kickstarter-only thing.
While I'm here, I might as well ask: if I'm a Kickstarter backer, do I already have access to Arena Commander? I remember downloading the hangar module back in the day but don't remember if I have access to other stuff besides that. I backed at the basic Scout level, so just the game plus an Aurora.
Not necessarily. The thing you're buying has to explicitly state that it comes with Squadron 42 and Star Citizen. For example, this ship is an add-on and does not come with a copy of the game. On the other hand, this ship is a game package and comes with Squadron 42 and Star Citizen.
They no longer come with lifetime insurance. That pretty much ended November 2013. They come with a few months of insurance, though.
Yes, you have access to Arena Commander. Open up the launcher* and get it downloading (it'll take a while), then try it out once it finishes.
*You might have to download the launcher, first? LoL. Go here: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/download Make sure you log into the website.
Zalusithix
Member
Just to further clarify: the packages don't come with LTI but if you buy an individual ship during its concept sale, you'll get LTI on it. Package wise, around the anniversary mark they were also selling packages with 2 year insurance which is a pretty damn long time.
Also for those unaware about how insurance works, keep in mind that LTI only applies to the base ship. Upgrades aren't covered and must be paid for with supplementary insurance in game. Most people are going to extensively upgrade their ship over time, so the LTI is only saving a small sum of in game money. Insurance is also being set up in a way that discourages constant replacement of the ship due to recklessness. As such, LTI wont be an excuse to play the kamikaze pilot. So in the end while LTI is obviously better than no LTI, the lack of it isn't a big deal.
IAmHaunter
Banned
There's really a digital package for $15K? God damn, man...
Edit: Saw this was an extension of pledges... still a lot of money, who in their right mind has that lying around?
Actually several people in my Organization have spent over $20,000.
Check out their newest FPS/Damage Model Video from PAX EAST!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8BL8gXjc54