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[Fuzzy]

Well said.

And to whoever said that the "These are the voyages..." monologue is supposed to be what Archer said to that massive hall of people, can't be right. I have a very clear memory of that being revealed as a speech that Cochran gave at some point.

IIRC it was in the Pilot for Enterprise.

 

[quest]

I have watched the show since day 1. The 4th season was very good until the series finally. I feel ripped off instead of a enterprise finally I get a half ass NG episode. 2 more SCIfi shows died tonight adromeda deserved to be cancelled it was horrible the last 2 1/2 years. Enterprise deserved another year if coto can do this well his first season I can only imagine how good his second season would of been.


The only SCIfi shows left on the air are both StarGate shows. I would count battlestar but the show is a soap opera set in another galaxy. The show is sex contest who ever has the most wins I guess. If BSG can get away from the sex sex sex angle it could be a good show. Getting rid of baltar or having him grow some balls would be a good start. BSG has to have the biggest collection of wussy men ever it took until the season finally for a man adama to grow a pair. The show is a bunch of guys being castrated by a bunch of hot chicks. I never felt the desperation of a race on the edge of extinction. How bad can it be when everyone is having lots and lots of sex and drinking all the time. It is like 1 giant party or orgy in space with a bad guy thrown in every few shows. You wanna a show about a race on the edge of extinction look at the B5 movie in the begining. That movie was 10x more convincing of the doom of humanity than BSG has been all season.

 

[videogamer]

Oh, and not to be racist, but on Terra Prime I thought it was funny that a black man was one of the main people on the show that were against aliens and a human vulcam hybrid. Trip should've said something like "Oh yeah, well just 200 years ago, white people had the same exact attitude towards black people!".

It does show that Terra Prime consisted of a diverse set of humans.

I would have liked more explanation to why the xenophobes did not like the aliens. They could have started out with the differences between the aliens (they're freaks and they won't ever be able to assimilate into human society). They could go on to job competition (the aliens are taking our jobs and monopolizing certain jobs) and outright conspiracy theories (the Vulcans experiment on humans or whatever). Then bring in the Xindi attack and we can have race riots.

 

[ManaByte]

Apparently the cast and crew consider Terra Prime as the real finale while Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum consider the other episode to be the finale since they wrote it.

 

[DarienA]

BSG can suck a nut... as for the Baltar comments.... did you watch it all the way through the end of the season? He's definitely starting to be more assertive, and there are certainly more storylines going on than who is sleeping with who.

 

[COCKLES]

Spoiler

Trip's death was laughable

Pretty boring episode. Nice to see Troi again tho. Even if she did forget to remember how Troi originally spoke in TNG. :lol

Give Trek a 5 year rest.

Bring it back in simple fashion.

No gimmicks.

Just Enterprise NCC-1701-F - 60 years after TNG - new Voyages of exploration (YES VOYAGERS TO THE EDGE OF THE GALAXY NOT SHUTTILING CRAPPY DELEGATES TO CONFERENCES!) telling great character based sci-fi stories.

 

[Mr Mike]

I have watched the show since day 1. The 4th season was very good until the series finally. I feel ripped off instead of a enterprise finally I get a half ass NG episode. 2 more SCIfi shows died tonight adromeda deserved to be cancelled it was horrible the last 2 1/2 years. Enterprise deserved another year if coto can do this well his first season I can only imagine how good his second season would of been.


The only SCIfi shows left on the air are both StarGate shows. I would count battlestar but the show is a soap opera set in another galaxy. The show is sex contest who ever has the most wins I guess. If BSG can get away from the sex sex sex angle it could be a good show. Getting rid of baltar or having him grow some balls would be a good start. BSG has to have the biggest collection of wussy men ever it took until the season finally for a man adama to grow a pair. The show is a bunch of guys being castrated by a bunch of hot chicks. I never felt the desperation of a race on the edge of extinction. How bad can it be when everyone is having lots and lots of sex and drinking all the time. It is like 1 giant party or orgy in space with a bad guy thrown in every few shows. You wanna a show about a race on the edge of extinction look at the B5 movie in the begining. That movie was 10x more convincing of the doom of humanity than BSG has been all season.

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[maharg]

Well said.

And to whoever said that the "These are the voyages..." monologue is supposed to be what Archer said to that massive hall of people, can't be right. I have a very clear memory of that being revealed as a speech that Cochran gave at some point.

Ugh then. It would make more sense as an Archer speech though. Cochran didn't have any such mission really.

 

[Phoenix]

Spoiler

Trip's death was laughable

Pretty boring episode. Nice to see Troi again tho. Even if she did forget to remember how Troi originally spoke in TNG. :lol

Give Trek a 5 year rest.

Why would giving it a 5 year rest make a difference?

 

[maharg]

The only difference I can see is that Manny Coto will be off doing something else and will say FU when they ask him to come back, so Berman and Braga will be in charge again.

 

[Instigator]

Why would giving it a 5 year rest make a difference?

The number of years doesn't really matter. The producers just need to understand that they don't need to have new Trek on every season. That way, they can take the time to deliver a Trek that is good instead of simply delivering a show to fill a time slot.

Similarly, Trek producers have had a tendency to deliver a pilot and then make up the show as they go along. Perhaps this worked in the past, but as Enterprise showed, you may have an interesting premise but if you keep disappointing fans with recycled material, continuity problems, juvenile entertainment and a lack of direction, you're no better off. Again, the show needs some better writing and that should take more preparation time.

 

[LakeEarth]

Trek will not return to its greatness until Berman and Braga are ritualistically murdered in the way that bests fit them.

(pushes Berman into volcano)
"He's dead Jim."
(pushes Braga into volcano)
"He's dead Jim."

Yes I've seen that Futurama episode too much.

 

[quest]

Trek will not return to its greatness until Berman and Braga are ritualistically murdered in the way that bests fit them.

(pushes Berman into volcano)
"He's dead Jim."
(pushes Braga into volcano)
"He's dead Jim."

Yes I've seen that Futurama episode too much.

You have got that right. Kill B&B and let coto and JMS team up to create the next star trek.

 

[Instigator]

For what it's worth, I think Coto is not that great either and season 4 of Ent is greatly overappreciated (I've been personally bored with it). Trek should return to having many different writers instead of a few or just one. Those people should pinch in all their ideas instead of being asked to finalize rough drafts from B & B, something Enterprise was heavily guilty of.

As for JMS, he should stick to his pet projects and not try to screw other people's properties.

 

[Fuzzy]

Trek should return to having many different writers instead of a few or just one. Those people should pinch in all their ideas instead of being asked to finalize rough drafts from B & B, something Enterprise was heavily guilty of.

I agree with this and one way they could do this is open up story idea submissions to anyone like they did in the past.

 

[Phoenix]

The number of years doesn't really matter. The producers just need to understand that they don't need to have new Trek on every season. That way, they can take the time to deliver a Trek that is good instead of simply delivering a show to fill a time slot.

Right, but they can realize that at any time. Sucking can happen at any moment and its up to them to realize that they suck, identify the source of the suck, and de-suckify their process and franchise. If your fans are constantly telling you that you suck - realize that perhaps you're doing something wrong.

The temporal component is irrelevant IMO. It could come back in 20 years and make the same mistakes. Time isn't the answer.