Soltype
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They did the same thing with thrawn, brought him back out of context.
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Star Wars Finally Explains the Emperor's Resurrection
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Rentahamster
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epicnemesis
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That’s a no for me dog.
MilkLizard
Member
Wasn’t in the movie so IDGAF
Soltype
Member
What really bugs me is I get the feeling Disney didn't read or look into any of the expanded universe when they bought Star Wars.I'm not saying they should have used everything from the expanded universe, trust me there's a lot of bad stuff in it, but there is a ton of good they could have used. It's crazy to think the company struggled to make a film trilogy, and they had to thrawn books to lean back on. Disney is a joke.
nush
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At least the Cylons were robots with space wifi.
carlosrox
Banned
Yet people claim to love The Mandalorian even though it's hopelessly average while also still claiming the prequels suck.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Disney let jj kill their trilogy, and now the whole
Thing is viewed as a failure. Hope they are happy
Thing is viewed as a failure. Hope they are happy
Julius Ibidus
Member
naw, Empire will always be a cinema classic. it can't be dismissed simply because of the quality of recent offerings, it's just too good.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Oh, they didnt kill starwars, just there new trilogy. Im pretty sure ros bombed compared to other movies. Negative wom probably didnt help
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Ah yes, the christmas episode of Fallon.
Fuck that was terrible.
Give me this freestyle by Shia over Rey any day, he starts as a Padawan and turns full Jedi master by the end.
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Gonpachiro Kamaboko
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Out of 9 mainline movies there are 6 bad movies, 1 good one, one great one, and one that’s just whatever. The 6 bad ones were the last 6 they put out
What a terrible track record
What a terrible track record
Gunslinger
Member
Good for them to try but we all know Snoke was emperor 2.0 until they diverted that plan in TLJ. The picture which ruined SW for me for good.
Thats what happens when you make a trilogy with no plan. Should have just left Skywalker story alone it ended perfectly after RoTJ. There was no need to make anymore movie in that era.
Thats what happens when you make a trilogy with no plan. Should have just left Skywalker story alone it ended perfectly after RoTJ. There was no need to make anymore movie in that era.
Toons
Member
I often defends the newer movies in some aspects while acknowledging them as flawed. I very much enjoyed TLJ and TFA and TROS while the weakest is watchable. I'm gonna be honest I never had a big problem with this.
Fact: a ton of things Palpatine has done in canon has not been "explained." A lot of it is "Somehow Palpatine _____"
Infiltrated the galactic senate, at the time a Jedi stronghold that hadn't seen a sith in a very long time, becoming an adeot politician when the entire sith ideology eschewed politics almost entirely in favor of might makes right? Somehow.
Got in bed with separatist aligned planets and manipulated them against the republic at the same time as rising through the ranks of the republic? Something something taxes.
Encountered the nightsisters who produced maul for him, and raised him as a sith apprentice without any notice? Somehow.
Visiting mandalore literslly during a Civil War and in the midst of its government was collapsing, aware of everything going on there including Mauls location, and nearly killing maul all without notice by any of the mandolorians present or the lone jedi who was there? Somehow.(Clone Wars)
Became aware of Yoda going on a force journey and summoned an effigy of a long dead sith so that he could test the Jedi? Something something blood ritual.(Clone Wars)
Acquired access to alternate timeliness by means of the world between worlds after the only known gateway had been destroyed? Somehow.(Rebels)
Killing his master who was so powerful he could literally manipulate life and death itself? Somehow.
I could go on.
My point is, dude is just an old wizard basically. If someone told me he could've survived being thrown down a hole, it doesn't suspend my disbelief to belief he had contingencies for that.
Now did they use that strolling to its fullest potential? No, not really. They didnt. But I dont have an issue with him just surviving.
I fear for my notifs now but I said what I said.
Fact: a ton of things Palpatine has done in canon has not been "explained." A lot of it is "Somehow Palpatine _____"
Infiltrated the galactic senate, at the time a Jedi stronghold that hadn't seen a sith in a very long time, becoming an adeot politician when the entire sith ideology eschewed politics almost entirely in favor of might makes right? Somehow.
Got in bed with separatist aligned planets and manipulated them against the republic at the same time as rising through the ranks of the republic? Something something taxes.
Encountered the nightsisters who produced maul for him, and raised him as a sith apprentice without any notice? Somehow.
Visiting mandalore literslly during a Civil War and in the midst of its government was collapsing, aware of everything going on there including Mauls location, and nearly killing maul all without notice by any of the mandolorians present or the lone jedi who was there? Somehow.(Clone Wars)
Became aware of Yoda going on a force journey and summoned an effigy of a long dead sith so that he could test the Jedi? Something something blood ritual.(Clone Wars)
Acquired access to alternate timeliness by means of the world between worlds after the only known gateway had been destroyed? Somehow.(Rebels)
Killing his master who was so powerful he could literally manipulate life and death itself? Somehow.
I could go on.
My point is, dude is just an old wizard basically. If someone told me he could've survived being thrown down a hole, it doesn't suspend my disbelief to belief he had contingencies for that.
Now did they use that strolling to its fullest potential? No, not really. They didnt. But I dont have an issue with him just surviving.
I fear for my notifs now but I said what I said.
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Unknown Soldier
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Considering this was a retcon invented after The Last Jedi in order to try and save the Disney Trilogy, there's no way they could have explained any of it because they didn't even think of it until after the first 2 movies of that trilogy were already made.
It's just a quickly thrown together copy of Dark Empire anyways. There's nothing to explain.
Gifmaker
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This is where I'm unironically at. Dude's been tinkering with cloning tech since TPM, his master supposedly found the way to cheat death, and he promised Vader that they would discover the secret. If anyone could somehow return from his death in ROTJ, it's Palpatine. After how much an emphasis on cloning and the obsession with cheating death is in the prequels, it would seem rather odd for Palpatine to just have forgotten about all it by the end of the original trilogy. Him arranging for his immortality is absolutely in line with his character from 1-6, and it also solved the Snoke dilemma nicely enough.
Interestingly, when Snoke in TLJ raises Rey into the air, the Emperor's theme plays, though. Which led me to believe that Snoke was an incarnation of Palpatine somehow back in 2017 already.
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Soodanim
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I haven’t seen most of what you referenced, but for the 1-3 timeline stuff doesn’t it fall under the Council being an arrogant shell of what it should have been? I’m still not sure how even Yoda didn’t know, but I guess that falls under the Force being as mysterious or specific as the story calls for
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Who? The emperor died in Return of the Jedi. Just like Boba Fett.
Amiga
Member
They could have made an awesome original villain, something unforeseen, but they decided on some trash plot-twist which
they didn’t even bother to explain in the movie.
They should have skipped that era altogether. jump a thousands into the future and imagine an evolved SW universe. or go back to the old republic era. IMOO it had more interesting stories than the post ROTJ expanded universe. one favorite of mine is when a group of light side Jedi masters were the antagonists.
Toons
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The council was arrogant but they weren't stupid. At least they weren't supposed to be. When Maul shows up in TPM its supposed to be the first time anyone has even seen a sith in like, forever.
Pair this with a secretive and ambitious politician who routinely seeks more power showing up around the same time. Its just a big suspense of disbelief to suggest that no one even got suspicious. And yes them not detecting his presence, I can try and challenge that up to him "masking his presence" in the force but its still a stretch because there were times he randomly would communicate with others in his sith persona.
Idk. Point is Palpatines actions, a lot of them, were not given much explanation or reason, we are to just assume he was powerful enough and had access to enough resources to where he could do it. Him having cline bodies and surviving the events of return of the jedi is no different for me.
AJUMP23
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West Texas CEO
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She's a little old, but I'd still suck them titties.
QuantumZebra
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Really wish they would have reigned in Rian Johnson a bit and taken time to expand on this lore in TLJ. It would have made Rise such a better film since it didn't have to rush/squeeze everything into 3 hours.
Still glad the ST turned out better than the PT. If it weren't for The Clone Wars, the PT would have actually destroyed my childhood.
Still glad the ST turned out better than the PT. If it weren't for The Clone Wars, the PT would have actually destroyed my childhood.
Julius Ibidus
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QuantumZebra
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Bringing back Boba was gonna happen, even if I agree.
Palpatine was an interesting twist but they totally botched the landing. TBH I think the final bad guy should have been Thrawn and they used Snoke like they did Jorath C'Baoth (sp?) the dark Jedi that helped him.
West Texas CEO
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I gotta give you credit , man , you make some damn funny infographics.
dr_octagon
Banned
so the emporor put his bloods in a potato which takes 35 years to grow and it is force linked. should he die then order sixy seven means the robot waters the pot growing a new bad guy.
the plant pot is made from bestcar steel cos the dumb fans love references and call the farm 'Erso farm'. the robot was made by Anakin as well.
the potato is in another galaxy, a long distance away and let's have a horcrux, deathly hallow stuff at the end, force is basically magic, midicholoroforms and stuff i dunno, give me my 20 million cheque pls
the plant pot is made from bestcar steel cos the dumb fans love references and call the farm 'Erso farm'. the robot was made by Anakin as well.
the potato is in another galaxy, a long distance away and let's have a horcrux, deathly hallow stuff at the end, force is basically magic, midicholoroforms and stuff i dunno, give me my 20 million cheque pls
sol_bad
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luffie
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Yeah, what were they expecting from this anyway?
That people go "ohh, now it makes sense..?" "wow, that's so cool...?" "ahh, now i hate the sequel less ...?"
Just proves how tone deaf they still are now. Honestly, it would make more sense if they just said "we realized we fucked up, sorry, we'll do better".
sol_bad
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They weren't expecting anything, it's just an article on Starwars.com.
TRoS isn't the greatest film ever made but you know what is, the LOTR's is one of the greatest trilogies ever made. And the movie glosses over how Gandalf came back to life just like TRoS glosses over how Palpatine comes back to life. In actual fact, TRoS gives far more hints visually what and how Palpatine is still alive than what LOTRs ever does. In LOTR's you see Gandalf fall to his death, he may have fallen a hundred feet, a thousand feet, who knows, but he survived. Nek minute he is fighting Balrog on top of a snowy mountain, then Gandalf dies again. He sees stars and nek minute he is alive again. Magic I guess? They don't explain anything.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Fantasy with magic and gods vs sci-fi… now we are comparing the new SW trilogy with the FotR one… whoa…
sol_bad
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The Force isn't essentially magic? Star Wars is fantasy in a sci-fi setting.
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There are Gods in Star Wars as well.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well, kind of … it was a lot more like magic earlier on, but sure there is some of it. Gandalf being resurrected or brought back to Middle Earth / reborn is something handled far more smoothly (true evil/malice and true good never really dying… and forces of good being a lot more mysterious and less visible than the forces of darkness, etc…) with movie content alone.
The new SW trilogy, despite LSG attempts at justifying it post release, is a movie by movie attempted reboot / cash grab without a proper arc… even the prequel trilogy had a better story and characters arc.
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luffie
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But Lotr has a whole lot of backstory to it that is already established. Gandalf is a spirit etc, they just don't have the time to explain everything one by one.
Meanwhile, everything that is known about Palps death was from 1 movie, and they conjure up everything else out of thin air, and after the fact that the movie was done. Whatever EU lore that they had with palps having clones etc was scrapped before this movie. Up to episode 8, there is virtually to clue nor signs that Palps is still alive.
Konnor
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Hammerite Zealot
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So it took them almost 2 years to take story elements from Battlestar Gallactica. I wonder if anyone still cares about Disney Trilogy?
sol_bad
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Not having a pre-determined arc is a whole other argument compared to Palpatine being resurrected. LOTR's having an arc based on the books doesn't help explain why Gandalf came back to life in the movies. As you mention, the original 3 films felt more "magical" because of how they were made, the first 6 movies constantly introduced new powers with no explanation and no one cared. For some weird reason when new powers are introduced in the new trilogy people start asking questions, I don't get it.
Is it mentioned in the movies that he is a spirit? I don't think so. There is zero explanation on why or how he survived. This thread is all about information missing from TRoS, so it can't be OK for one film and not OK for another film. You could say there is foreshadowing of Palpy coming back when he talks to Anakin about saving people from death during the opera show.
If we are going to turn to books for answers, this answer has been out there for over a year.
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JumpMan1981
Banned
I hate this! LOL.
The biggest problem with Disney Star Wars is their insistence of clinging to the past and not being imaginative.
The death of Palpatine is the end of Vader, Luke, Leia and the rest's stories.
The new generation should have been given a new threat to deal with and should have gotten a little help and guidance from the old guard.
Killing Snoke in TLJ was a hilarious misstep because you are leaving an action/adventure serial with no "big bad" for the final 3rd of the trilogy.
A threat from outside the galaxy would have been the perfect expansion of the Star Wars universe and would have opened the door to creativity and imaginative new story threads. Instead they just went with "Palpatine Came Back".
Even the visuals of New Palpatine were set up in such a way as it looked like the guy was somehow saved from the Death Star before it blew up (and they also introduced the idea of force users flying through space with Leia in TLJ so...) but then they've gone back and said that actually it's a clone.
It's just horrible, lazy and kind of boring writing.
EverydayBeast
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Pap is interesting, he got chance after chance he does make Star Wars better. The head of the sith is a tough job lol