DiipuSurotu
Banned
Obi-Wan was hiding for 19 years, actually.
Why was Luke kept alive by his captors for 30 years? Didn't they want to kill him?
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Obi-Wan was hiding for 19 years, actually.
Why was Luke kept alive by his captors for 30 years? Didn't they want to kill him?
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I read everything, by far my most hyped movie in a long, long time.
ryutaro's mama
Member
See the movie to find out!
Yeah pretty obvious even with little knowledge of SW backstory. Cause Luke is far from being 30 in ANH. This is what happens when I post on my phone and I'm focusing more on these damn typos than what I'm saying
MisterHero
Super Member
The new stormtroopers are mindless clones of Luke.
Or maybe he's on a planet by himself and the bad guys won't let him leave.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't mind if they've been stuck in neutral so long as the progression forward is onscreen.
I'd rather be witnessing the progress onscreen as opposed to being told about it in a crawl.
A 30 year cold war is an interesting idea, especially if it's the fuel that ignites the events of the trilogy. I don't need to watch that cold war - but the effects of it heating back up? That could be some fun shit.
DarkJediKnight
Member
love the helmet designs of the new troopers
GentlemanCrow
Member
This link above leads to a concept picture of the main villain.
And a link to some more info related to said villain:
http://indierevolver.com (top story)
ZeroGravity
Member
Yup. It's super lame.
Luke is supposedly the most powerful jedi ever and he lets that shit happen to him?
Man that's just idiotic. Everything about this movie's plot seems as awful as the prequels.
has been captive for 30 years? My interpretation is that he hasn't been seen since RotJ, not that he has been captive the entire time. For example, he could have been captured a few years before Ep. VII starts.
Nevermind, checked a couple other stories. Indeed, I missed that detail.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Not reading the latest villain news. Think it might be time to go on black out for this movie. People want to be surprised and experience exciting new things like the old movies, yet can't help reading the plot a year in advance.
The movie has literally brought out actors out of retirement. Is anyone really expecting "new" things out of this movie?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Actually looks kinda cool if that the truth.
GentlemanCrow
Member
From reddit. Posted in the other thread.
They popped up three days ago...
They popped up three days ago...
Yeah, the retconning of SW history being done by Episode VII is actually worse than the prequels.
I thought there can only be two Sith, because too many Sith resulted in infighting and the destruction of the order. Now you're saying there's an army called the Inquistors that are loyal to the Sith???
MisterHero
Super Member
I think the supposed plot's fine except that it sounds like TRON Legacy.
Disney needs to fix that too
Disney needs to fix that too
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
So there will be flashbacks in this movie? That seems to violate the screen rules established by the first two trilogies.
I'd be ok with those spinoff movies having whatever kind of direction is appropriate, but if mainline episodes deviate from the style of movies that the first two trilogies established, I feel something has been violated.
If it's a holocron... Fine.
I'd be ok with those spinoff movies having whatever kind of direction is appropriate, but if mainline episodes deviate from the style of movies that the first two trilogies established, I feel something has been violated.
If it's a holocron... Fine.
Sectorseven
Member
Who from the cast is supposed to play the villain? Cause none of them really resemble that concept art.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Adam Driver is definitely a villain. Max Von Sydow is assumed to be a villain, or at least the voice of a villain.
BigWeather
Member
My favorite "character" in the SW universe is the OT Stormtrooper. I'm on the fence on the new helmet, but it is at least better than the Clonetrooper. I really need to buy some of the 6" and 12" Stormtrooper figures.
It could be a flashback in terms of Star Trek. IIRC the film begins with the flashback and then fastforwards to the future rather than having the flashback in the beginning, which would be a much smoother transition.
Then again, it would be going against the rumors that the film begins with Luke's hand/lightsaber falling out of the sky.
IIRC
being an user of the Dark Side of the Force doesn't make you a Sith. The closest thing would be a "Dark Jedi" but the Sith Order itself is only officially composed by a Master and an Apprentice. And IIRC, both Sith are more powerful than any "Dark Jedi" by itself
I might be wrong, though. My EU knowledge isn't that good.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
With the Jedi Order gone and the Empire in shambles, it would not be far fetched that tradition is broke on both sides so at this point, why would Jedi or Sith care about how many there can supposedly be at one time, etc.?
It won't be.
This is the director who found it cool to have the villain of Star Trek 09 sit around for 30 years doing dick all for no reason in the theatrical cut.
It's convenient narratively for them to do it this way. Lazy, but convenient.
I really really don't like this idea.
Opinionatedfish
Member
I just want the world these characters are in to be as colorful and busy as Guardians of the Galaxy was.
Loving the new enemy and trooper designs.
The plot just depends on how the actors and script pull it off.
Also, isn't all EU stuff not applicable to this movie?
Loving the new enemy and trooper designs.
The plot just depends on how the actors and script pull it off.
Also, isn't all EU stuff not applicable to this movie?
It'd still be strange for a SW movie to do that, even in the beginning. Flashbacks have never been in its storytelling repertoire.
This movie is visually adhering to a lot of SW tenets, from the type of film to the aesthetics, so it feels weird for them to violate this particular ground rule. The prequels already arguably bent it with some of the war footage snap zooms and Anakin nightmares, but not to such a storytelling degree.
Like Bobby said, it's probably Driver. He fits the description.
There are six Star Wars films. Its repertoire is not so deep that you can make never ever claims about what will or won't be found in it in the future. Pretty sure there were flashbacks at some point or other in The Clone Wars, anyway.
Honestly, they'll do what they please, 'repertoire' be damned.
block tower
Member
they've never cared lol. there's been multiple Sith at the same time, even after the rule of two was enacted. for anyone who saw The Clone Wars tv show, you had at one time Maul, Savage Opress, Ventress, Palpatine, and Dukoo all running around at the sme time. there are also other dark force users that aren't Sith that are also always around, i think the new Inquisitor character from SW Rebels is one of them. you also had Jedi running around outside the Jedi Order as well, so i dont think the rules on either side have ever really been followed and thats just the canon, lets not even go into non-canon EU.
With all due respect, most film series are lucky to even make it to three films, let alone six, so I'm not sure why you're acting six films that have thus far established a fairly consistent narrative and visual identity is some trivial number.
Not having flashbacks is about as ingrained as not having slow-motion - there's a particular linear storytelling style that every movie has adhered to, so I have to assume there's some sort of cohesive vision to "what SW is." Furthermore, they seem to have gone to great lengths in replicating the OT style with these new films, so the deviations are bound to be even more noticeable.
As somebody who's dabbled in screenwriting and directing, I think it's often under-appreciated how important maintaining narrative/plot device/visual continuity is within and between films, especially in situations where there is director transitions or studio meddling.
If JJ and company feel like it's absolutely necessary to tell a good story, then I agree sometimes rules can be broken. Unfortunately, I don't feel like this plot idea justifies it, and even sounds lazy and cynical
(got to have Vader tied into some long-running-but-never-seen villains to give them credibility and give him a cameo for fan nostalgia reasons).
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Nicktendo86
Member
Yeah, Luke
is the first thing I've heard about this film that has made my go nope, incredibly stupid decision if true. Makes zero sense and a mockery of the character, there must be more to it.
being captive for 30 years
Man I'm loving all the little details coming out, especially surrounding the antagonist. It's cool that they are going against the grain to what some were expecting.
Of course there is more to it. Whether you like the explanation though lol
Of course there is more to it. Whether you like the explanation though lol
Why does it have to be 30 though? Just cos the film is set then, it could be just a year or a few months (maybe in Sw rebels, later seasons could fill in the other years)
CreepingFear
Member
Like make it the last 10 years, that's still a long time.
I hope you are right, and yeah that idea had been tossed around. But the 'leaks' are claiming he is kidnapped shortly after RotJ. I'm hoping otherwise, because I'd like to think Luke has a lot more to do during those 30 years than be held captive. Honestly, it feels a bit overly tragic for a SW mainline film... That our hero we came to love during the OT is under such bad circumstances this entire time. It's quite a bit worse than what Han had to endure between ESB and RotJ.
Buddha Beam
Banned
The only way I can imagine
Otherwise this is "Batman takes an 8 year break" level of bad.
30 years of captivity being acceptable is if Luke has allowed himself to be held captive that long and has been manipulating them.
I'm betting Lupita is a badass alien Sith leader with green eyes or something
Max von Sydow is definitely a riddle to me; he could play either the ancient Jedi master exile, or the Sith Emperor. But he's definitely a big game character
Adam Driver is playing Mickey Mouse