I wouldn't put it past them to reuse specific elements. They froze people in carbonate in the clone wars. That said, if I were a betting man, a would bet on this guy being ancient as opposed to a clone.
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Star Wars: In Production [Rumors/SPOILERS for All Films Past, Present, & Future]
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Dear goodness, I forgot about this stupid plotpoint.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I'm a huge Kubrick fan but the difference is he has eyes for a beautifully composed shot and ideas that lend themselves to long shots. Lucas forced these shots and it shows, Esspecially when you compare the film to empire which just nails the editing. I do not feel more than 1 or 2 shots in ANH are composed well enough to actually justify the long holds put on them. The film seems to recognize its ment for a faster pace as when it switches over to it, it excels. The death star escape, tie fight, swing dog fighting, ect. It's basically the first half of the film the suffers to me. Again using "suffering" lightly here as it's still an A+ film and more than enjoyable.
My hope is JJ takes the editing timing from empire and Jedi, and infuses it with his own flare for extremely well spaced shots and scale (the man knows how to make things look big and have weight).
Eh. I'm not saying that's what going to happen, however.
I thought Ep IV was widely considered to be a fast-paced film at the time and started the trend of quicker pacing in blockbusters.
It's just that modern films are even faster by comparison.
I think most of them didn't have specific names for the characters except for Daisy Ridley being "Kira", but even then I'm pretty sure it was mentioned as not being final.
I wonder if Rey is an alias "Kira" uses to keep her identity secret.
Kira...Kylo...Kira and Kylo. Hmm...
Poodlestrike
Banned
Could just be a nickname.
CreepingFear
Member
Finn Windu? Finn Calrissian? Yes, I know there must be more black people in the Star Wars universe.
fastford58
Member
Finn Windu? Finn Calrissian? Yes, I know there must be more black people in the Star Wars universe.
Does James Earl Jones count?
Would be quite terrible if he's a son of the of the few old black characters
MHWilliams
Member
Oscar Issac's character is Poe Dameron, with no "Darklighter" name appearing at all.
That was from the reddit guy who was long since debunked already.
FriendlyGoat
Member
While I definitely still think it would be quite stupid and lame to make all black people in Star Wars related, I think that if handled responsibly there could be power to giving him a historical connection to Star Wars via a Skywalker-ish dynasty or by making other black characters a part of his family. Giving him established connections to the universe isn't inherently a bad thing. This would only be remotely justifiable to me if they cast numerous other black people in separate visible and important roles, which appears to be what they are doing for this film. What does make something like this less justifiable to me is that they didn't have many black characters to choose from in the first place, which would make it seem forced simply because he is black.
prag16
Banned
That's a silly lens to look at it through. Making Boyega a Windu or a Calrissian is dumb for the same reason making Serkis actually be Darth Plagueis, or making Isaac a Darklighter. It's not dumb because the characters are black. -_-
prag16
Banned
I really hope you're not implying that making him a Windu/Calrissian would be racist...
Though sadly some people would undoubtedly make that claim.
He doesn't need that, though. No one does. Let's just have hm be whomever he is, and allow him to blaze his own trail. And not, "Windu's grandson. I knew it!" or something.
Moff
Member
hamill is just an adorable nerd. I really hope luke survives the ST
nope, just dumb. and weird.
nope, just dumb. and weird.
prag16
Banned
Agreed, but so would a Plagueis or Darklighter appearance. Meh.
I definitely agree. And I think really this is true more broadly as well. Forcing all these interconnections between 'generations' of a multigenerational story feels both cheap and like it shrinks the world. Really if one new character is a skywalker and C-3PO and R2-D2 get mixed in somehow that's more than enough. Shoving a Chewbacca cameo into RotS, by comparison was silly even if he should have been alive at the time.
Bridging things is good. You then use the bridge to strike out into new directions. Regenerating the whole same cast through new actors who are children of the old, though? Stupid.
I disagree about Plagueis, though. His is a story we know about as well as Anakin's from the point of view of the OT, and seeing it enlarged in a similar way would broaden the world (so long as it wasn't somehow a retread of Palpatine or something). I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I love how he says he basically was running around the creature shop playing with the props like a kid.
prag16
Banned
Yeah, I agree that IF DONE CORRECTLY, Plagueis might be okay. But as you said I'm kind of afraid of a Palpatine retread. I also don't think Darklighter would have been that bad. Or a Calrissian/Windu (though admittedly those are a little more out there... but NOT just because the characters are black).
BlueDogAnchorite
Member
That ball droid being a Practical Effect is amazing. Thought it was CGI.
I don't know if it was someone on GAF or wherever, but the midichlorian retcon he came up with was brilliant. A character could easily explain that we now know that midichloreans are attracted to the force, rather han stimulating force sensitivity like they thought in the old times. That would explain the connection between midichlorians and force sensitive creatures.
Much like how we thought our eyes sent out beams to see in the past. It's the same basic premise, only turned around.
Much like how we thought our eyes sent out beams to see in the past. It's the same basic premise, only turned around.
papercan55
Member
I'm still floored BB-8 is a practical effect. I'm curious as to how they made it.
OMG yes, I thought for sure this was cgi.
If they make a toy of this droid by Christmas 2015, it will be mine!
the amount of people on gaf saying it was obviously cgi was ridiculous.
I'm as sceptical as the rest of you after 3 of the worst worst films ever made but you shouldn't jump to conclusions and think that anything good looking is cgi, if anything it should be the other way around.
To me it was clearly practical, that ball movement in cgi would be way to hard to produce realistically.
Gaf needs to give practical effects some credit.
prag16
Banned
Eyes just rolled out of my head. Didn't realize it was still this cool to hate the prequels. I guess people who enjoyed them to any degree aren't real Star Wars fans?
Nicktendo86
Member
BB-8 being practical is almost thread worthy the amount of stupid hate it got. Wonderful, see what happens when you make star wars in England again
SolidChamp
Banned
To be fair, I think they provide a serviceable distraction. Better when enjoyed as mindless action films (mainly episodes 2 & 3) and not taken as an integral or emotionally resonant period in SW history.
They are quite unfortunate, though, when one begins to look just a tiny bit deeper at the acting, writing, and direction.
Lucas actually had some fantastic story ideas for the prequels that got buried and lost in bad dialogue and weak directing.
I mean Palpatines rise being through political means and embraced by the public in a very Hitler like fashion rather than a typical movie all out war/invasion was a fantastic idea. The idea that Anakin/Vader is a failed Jesus like figure was fantastic as well. The fact the Clone Wars were a sham and just a cover to gain political power as well. I loved the idea that the Jedi were complacent and lazy and it helped lead to the ease of their downfall.
All of these are fantastic ideas and story elements, just poorly accomplished on screen.
I mean Palpatines rise being through political means and embraced by the public in a very Hitler like fashion rather than a typical movie all out war/invasion was a fantastic idea. The idea that Anakin/Vader is a failed Jesus like figure was fantastic as well. The fact the Clone Wars were a sham and just a cover to gain political power as well. I loved the idea that the Jedi were complacent and lazy and it helped lead to the ease of their downfall.
All of these are fantastic ideas and story elements, just poorly accomplished on screen.
SolidChamp
Banned
Someone on some forum once mentioned that staging the Yoda/Sidious fight in the Galactic Senate auditorium was a pretty brilliant idea. I'm inclined to agree with that sentiment (even though both of them going at it with lightsabers was silly as fuck).
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This is why Lucas is best when kept away from writing the actual movie screenplay.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I agree with this statement.
GentlemanCrow
Member
The prequels being bad isn't a fad. They will always be so. Pointing out their poor quality doesn't stop you from enjoying them if you do. But they are awful.
LastGamer84
Member
The prequels would have been way better if Lucas had any concept of subtlety. I mean the first movie is a kids film but the second one had potential to set up an amazing plot and an interesting twist on the clone wars. Spoilers obviously....
When Dooku mentons to Obi-Wan that the Republic is being controlled by the Sith they had a golden opportunity to turn him into a tragic hero who turned to the dark side in a mistaken attempt to combat the Sith corruption. The Jedi, blinded by Sidious, don't believe him and thus he's forced to take more and more drastic measures to fight against Sidious. The more atrocities he committs to save the Republic, the more he is vilified by the public, playing right into Sidious's hands. Ultimately he is cut down by a misguided Anakin, his actions having helped the very enemy he was trying to stop. The galaxy remembers him as a villain despite hs motives.
Instead it's a throwaway line meant to tease something we already know. Dooku knows who Sidious is but is apparently too dumb to realize he's expendable and playing the same old Sith power game.
Instead it's a throwaway line meant to tease something we already know. Dooku knows who Sidious is but is apparently too dumb to realize he's expendable and playing the same old Sith power game.
I mean if you're going to have political intrigue do it right, not the half-baked senate crap.
Hopefully the new films can wash their bad taste out of our collective memories.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't even think it was poorly executed, just had some dialogue and acting problems. I thought the actual story itself was wonderfully handled.