Star Wars: Rogue One Story Trailer

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"We would be honored if you would join us."

I agree Darth Vader shouldn't be blinking all over the place like an anime villain, but he absolutely should walk all over anyone who's not a Jedi.

Kylo Ren did something more impressive with a blaster bolt and he's just a dumbass kid who got shot by a bowcaster and taken out by newbies
 
Yeah it seems to be well produced, but the trailer lacked personality. I wasn't interested in any of the characters and the "blink monk with a staff" looked pretty cliche.

Nostalgia sells.

Kylo Ren did something more impressive with a blaster bolt and he's just a dumbass kid who got shot by a bowcaster and taken out by newbies

Yeah FA is pretty dumb :)
 
The final 15 minutes of this movie absolutely needs to be Darth Vader going full Jason Vorhees-tier movie monster and just slaughtering everyone like an indestructible force. Everyone's trapped in the bowels of a fucking Star Destroyer in the dark, all you hear is Vader breathing and the only thing you see is his lightsaber ignite moments before he offs another member of the rebel scum.

Yes! Yes! Oh my god, yes!
 
Kylo Ren did something more impressive with a blaster bolt and he's just a dumbass kid who got shot by a bowcaster and taken out by newbies
Well yeah, that's because the entire point of Kylo Ren as a character is he's a dumbass kid trying to look more badass than he actually is.

He's deliberately written as the anti-Vader.
 
Well yeah, that's because the entire point of Kylo Ren as a character is he's a dumbass kid trying to look scarier than he actually is.

Your point was that Vader was portrayed as a super powered space god in the OT because he stopped blaster bolts.. But friggin nobody force users can do that. It's nothing.

I don't like the retconning. I just want Vader to be like Vader
 
Looks fucking great. If the Vader hunting down the characters in this movie stuff from this thread doesn't happen, I will be disappointed and will blame you guys :(
 
A lot of it seems like it will work better in context rather than in brief clips for a trailer.

Why do we do this every single time lol

I'll say that I think the dialogue seems fitting for these certain characters and situations. That's what I get from it. I don't get that it's bad, perhaps some stiff deliveries but as you said context can make a difference. Also how they cut it and pluck it from the movie makes an impact.

That being said, it's always the same song and dance with trailers. "Dialogue wasn't great but could work better in context. Some CGI looks rough but they're obviously still working on it." I basically watch trailers to get an idea of what I can expect from the film, and it mostly focused on the locations, action, more character interaction, etc. I don't really put everything under a microscope from a movie that has four more months of CG improvement, line delivery/take choices, etc. And as usual, some of this stuff won't even be in the movie.

It's fair game to criticize what's given and I'm not against that, but it seems... fine to me? It's certainly not too different from what you get out of the performances in this series and it's definitely better than the writing/deliveries in the prequels. I'm just saying it's funny how every trailer thread is just the same conversation on a spool.

With trailers, unless the writing and acting is legitimately terrible, I don't pay much attention to that and just rather take it as a whole instead of criticizing writing/acting that just seems mostly okay rather than outright bad as again, much of that is subject to change and I don't take it as gospel. This is how most trailers go.
 
I can't help but chuckle and cringe whenever I see Donnie Yen on screen. It just seems... unfitting in a weird way. Like imagining super choregraphed fist fights in star wars and I laugh. The OG trilogy and Force Awakens at least had the feel of lightsaber combat just being people with swords and just trying to bash the shit out of each other.
 
I can't help but chuckle and cringe whenever I see Donnie Yen on screen. It just seems... unfitting in a weird way. Like imagining super choregraphed fist fights in star wars and I laugh. The OG trilogy and Force Awakens at least had the feel of lightsaber combat just being people with swords and just trying to bash the shit out of each other.

You just see him beat up some Stormtroopers in some very brief-glimpse shots lol

Jesus Christ, TFA haters will complain about even the well executed scenes. Relentless bitching about things that aren't even a problem.

I'm trying to work out how that's dumb.
 
Force Awakens is a GODDAMN MASTERPIECE all thanks to the beautiful Daisy Ridley.

it rose to the soaring heights of "being basically competent" and "having characters who come off as people" which is actually a home run after the prequels

but let's not get carried away. it's a lazy copy of ANH and the starkiller shit was beyond stupid and fell totally flat
 
Jesus Christ, TFA haters will complain about even the well executed scenes. Relentless bitching about things that aren't even a problem.

The scene was cool looking for sure.

How quick we forget that the Emperor's "best troops" get beaten by a bunch of teddy bears.

When I criticize FA, it doesn't mean I don't recognize the dumb shit in the original trilogy... which is full of dumb shit.

I'm trying to work out how that's dumb.

Well he's basically stopping light in mid air. Then later on, unable to finish Finn off quickly in a lightsaber duel. The power levels are not consistent at all.
 
it rose to the soaring heights of "being basically competent" and "having characters who come off as people" which is actually a home run after the prequels

but let's not get carried away. it's a lazy copy of ANH and the starkiller shit was beyond stupid and fell totally flat

I think he's being facetious.
 
Your point was that Vader was portrayed as a super powered space god in the OT because he stopped blaster bolts.. But friggin nobody force users can do that. It's nothing.

I don't like the retconning. I just want Vader to be like Vader
Most of the lightsaber fight of Empire Strikes Back is Darth Vader handing Luke his ass on a platter without even trying.

I'm not sure what you think "Vader being like Vader" is, but him crushing most enemies with contemptuous ease makes sense to me.
 
Why do we do this every single time lol

I'll say that I think the dialogue seems fitting for these certain characters and situations. That's what I get from it. I don't get that it's bad, perhaps some stiff deliveries but as you said context can make a difference. Also how they cut it and pluck it from the movie makes an impact.

That being said, it's always the same song and dance with trailers. "Dialogue wasn't great but could work better in context. Some CGI looks rough but they're obviously still working on it." I basically watch trailers to get an idea of what I can expect from the film, and it mostly focused on the locations, action, more character interaction, etc. I don't really put everything under a microscope from a movie that has four more months of CG improvement, line delivery/take choices, etc. And as usual, some of this stuff won't even be in the movie.

It's fair game to criticize what's given and I'm not against that, but it seems... fine to me? It's certainly not too different from what you get out of the performances in this series and it's definitely better than the writing/deliveries in the prequels. I'm just saying it's funny how every trailer thread is just the same conversation on a spool.

With trailers, unless the writing and acting is legitimately terrible, I don't pay much attention to that and just rather take it as a whole instead of criticizing writing/acting that just seems mostly okay rather than outright bad as again, much of that is subject to change and I don't take it as gospel. This is how most trailers go.

I'm not too sure what's going on with this reply unless it's like, 10% directed at me and 90% directed... elsewhere? lol

I personally don't actually think any of it's bad, or even weak. I even like the apparently infamous "I rebel". I think what's there is good, but being that it's a trailer unless it's extremely skewed one way or another it's hard (and pointless) to critique the acting and dialogue too much.

I was just responding directly to the specific comments in the specific post I was quoting, and was largely talking about K-2SO's humor (the poster specifically said the humor wasn't working and that was pretty much the only "humor" in the trailer as far as I can see), and how that specific kind of humor really can't be judged out of context.
 
Much better trailer! :D
I hope the MC has more personality in the actual movie, but the rest of the cast is great. I wonder if the tone will be the same mix of comedy/drama as the other SW movies or if they're going for something a little darker. That's what the trailers seem to imply a least.
 
Most of the lightsaber fight of Empire Strikes Back is Darth Vader handing Luke his ass on a platter without even trying.

I'm not sure what you think "Vader being like Vader" is, but him crushing most enemies with contemptuous ease makes sense to me.

We never see Vader do superpower superhero stuff, that's all. he moves around kind of slowly, he stops blaster bolts, he chokes defenseless nobodies, he throws pieces of trash around, and he gets beaten very quickly (and appears very helpless, at that) by a relatively untrained young jedi the second he gets angry enough
 
totally on board with this movie.

Some of the dialogue is a bit iffy, they sound like lines that are exclusively meant for being in a trailer. Beyond that - the visuals, tone and scope look really really neat.
 
I'm not too sure what's going on with this reply unless it's like, 10% directed at me and 90% directed... elsewhere? lol

Oh no no, it wasn't negatively directed at you, probably bad wording on my part. It was basically me just reading that and thinking about how all trailer threads run around the same circles, your post was fine and I wasn't accusing you of doing that.

Well he's basically stopping light in mid air. Then later on, unable to finish Finn off quickly in a lightsaber duel. The power levels are not consistent at all.

These things are completely unrelated. He was messing with Finn, Finn got a shot in, it pissed off Kylo and Kylo ended it with the back slice.
 
We never see Vader do superpower superhero stuff, that's all. he moves around kind of slowly, he stops blaster bolts, he chokes defenseless nobodies, he throws pieces of trash around, and he gets beaten very quickly (and appears very helpless, at that) by a relatively untrained young jedi the second he gets angry enough

meh, the prequels show the power of Jedi/Sith. So Vader must've had it.

Obviously the lightsaber battle in ANH between Obi-Wan / Vader would be completely different if based on what we know now.

Some things you just gotta roll with. Vader has a whole empire to handle his dirty work, he only does the shit that really has to be done. And even then, against Luke he is ultimately compromised by his love for him
 
These things are completely unrelated. He was messing with Finn, Finn got a shot in, it pissed off Kylo and Kylo ended it with the back slice.

Of course they are related if we are actually going to argue about SW character power levels (which is pretty hopeless to begin with, they fluctuate to serve the storytelling).
 
So, how much is everyone betting on or against someone going "that's no moon, that's a space station" when the solar eclipse happens ;)
 
These things are completely unrelated. He was messing with Finn, Finn got a shot in, it pissed off Kylo and Kylo ended it with the back slice.
Also, he was in a position of power and control when he stopped the blaster bolt. When he was fighting Finn, he was injured and in the middle of a chaotic situation.
 
meh, the prequels show the power of Jedi/Sith. So Vader must've had it.

Obviously the lightsaber battle in ANH between Obi-Wan / Vader would be completely different if based on what we know now.

Some things you just gotta roll with. Vader has a whole empire to handle his dirty work, he only does the shit that really has to be done. And even then, against Luke he is ultimately compromised by his love for him

I think it makes sense to consider Vader very diminished by his conversion to the cyborg. He's still powerful but not nearly as powerful as he was/could have been and because of his machine body is much, much slower. The truth is that for what he was after he became Anakin he didn't really NEED to be at the top of his game. Even a diminished Jedi can wreck some normies and he had a stormtrooper army to back him up.

I don't think it's a surprise that a slow, deleveled Anakin gets his ass kicked by his son who's young and healthy and naturally very powerful. So I actually do think it fits with what we know about him in canon. Obiwan was old, Anakin was old so they had an old man fight.
 
I think it makes sense to consider Vader very diminished by his conversion to the cyborg. He's still powerful but not nearly as powerful as he was/could have been and because of his machine body is much, much slower. The truth is that for what he was after he became Anakin he didn't really NEED to be at the top of his game. Even a diminished Jedi can wreck some normies and he had a stormtrooper army to back him up.

I don't think it's a surprise that a slow, deleveled Anakin gets his ass kicked by his son who's young and healthy and naturally very powerful.
Sure.

And we're not talking about Vader versus a Jedi. We're talking about him versus normies if Rogue One does indeed end with that scenario. They will fare about as well as Han did in The Empire Strikes Back.
So, how much is everyone betting on or against someone going "that's no moon, that's a space station" when the solar eclipse happens ;)
If it happens, it will lead to a lot of groans in the theater.

...I'm gonna bet on it happening.
 
The scene was cool looking for sure.
Well not just that. The suspended plasma bolt was a literal Sword of Damocles in that scene. A great device to hold everything in a state of high tension while showing Kylo Ren's abilities and establishing why he's a person of standing in the First Order.

TFA does a great job setting up KR as Vader 2.0, only to subvert it with the character development Vader never had in ANH—details that tie him to other characters and the broader story. KR is a great new twist on the series standard of the dark enforcer. I like how he's this raw ball of power with the full force of the First Order behind him. He's got strength, influence, and all sorts of toys, but he still can't measure up to Vader. His internal struggles mirror Rey's untutored potential.

Unlike the prequels, TFA bothers to set up interconnected characters and themes that support the narrative, and actually follow through with them in dramatically effective ways. TFA is a good movie regardless of the derivative aspects and the contrived backlash from fans who apparently have selective amnesia for how poorly the prequels attempted so many of the same things.
 
I don't know how to feel about this

When the originally announced the Star Wars Story Spin Offs I loved the idea. I loved the idea to see small, smart stories in the Star Wars Universe. Without big important battles and super heroes. But now Rogue One is shaping about to be a story with big important battles and just a few less super heroes. I don't know how to feel about it. Chances are I'll still love it but maybe it's just not what I expected. I wanted something a bit different and smaller in scope.
 
I don't know how to feel about this

When the originally announced the Star Wars Story Spin Offs I loved the idea. I loved the idea to see small, smart stories in the Star Wars Universe. Without big important battles and super heroes. But now Rogue One is shaping about to be a story with big important battles and just a few less super heroes. I don't know how to feel about it. Chances are I'll still love it but maybe it's just not what I expected. I wanted something a bit different and smaller in scope.
Donnie Yen's character apparently doesn't have force powers. He's just a badass.

Though I guess K-2SO is probably super strong, being a 10 foot tall enforcer droid.
 
Unlike the prequels, TFA bothers to set up interconnected characters and themes, and actually follow through with them in dramatically effective ways. TFA is a good movie regardless of the derivative aspects and the contrived backlash from fans who apparently have selective amnesia with regard to how poorly the prequels attempted so many of the same things.

I agree with most of what you said, but TFA being a better movie than the prequels isn't saying much yet.

But I never held the original trilogy in high pedestal either. They are entertaining camp at best and I enjoyed TFA for what it was. A nostalgia trip and a semi-entertaining action film. (for comparisons sake, it was much better than any superhero flick in recent years).
 
I agree with most of what you said, but TFA being a better movie than the prequels isn't saying much yet.

But I never held the original trilogy in high pedestal either. They are entertaining camp at best and I enjoyed TFA for what it was. A nostalgia trip and a semi-entertaining action film. (for comparisons sake, it was much better than any superhero flick in recent years).
If you care, RedLetterMedia's Plinkett reviews break down why the original Star Wars films are so good, in the course of showing how the prequels are so bad.

Basically, the originals nail the fundamentals of good storytelling and characterization. Couple that with truly revolutionary effects for the time, and the world class score, sound design, and art design (from the environment concepts to the physical props), and those movies totally earn their classic status. They are standard pulp fare done unusually well.
 
I think it makes sense to consider Vader very diminished by his conversion to the cyborg. He's still powerful but not nearly as powerful as he was/could have been and because of his machine body is much, much slower. The truth is that for what he was after he became Anakin he didn't really NEED to be at the top of his game. Even a diminished Jedi can wreck some normies and he had a stormtrooper army to back him up.

I don't think it's a surprise that a slow, deleveled Anakin gets his ass kicked by his son who's young and healthy and naturally very powerful. So I actually do think it fits with what we know about him in canon. Obiwan was old, Anakin was old so they had an old man fight.

if we hadn't seen Yoda and others using the force to great success as "old men", I'd believe that more.

Obi-Wan isn't even that old in ANH

not saying Vader should be running aroun dlike a spring chicken all the time, but when he needs it, he should be able to channel the dark side and wreck things
 
I hope not, but I get the feeling a Star Wars movie isn't gonna end with the main cast all dead...
I can see only 1 or 2 of them surviving (my theory is that the shot of Jyn limping toward the TIE on the high up catwalk is after the squad gets wiped and she has to escape).
 
Much better than the first trailer.

At the moment my only reservation is about the main character. I'm not sure if it's her delivery or if it's the script but I'm really not feeling her at all.

The rest of the supporting cast look interesting though so I'm guessing it's just that I don't like the actress.

Really hoping we get to see the best Star Wars battles on screen so far. This is supposed to be a war film so im expecting big things from the battle scenes.
 
Jyn seems like a badass to me, and I'm all ready for more badass female leads.

I was thrilled about Daisy but they just keep giving it.

It's hard for me to judge her character only going by the trailers so far. But she looks pretty cool to me.
 
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