The rebels had guns. I dunno, I never thought that the Ewoks were the deciding fraction, merely support.
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Spieler Eins
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They are KOed by being hit on the helmet by small stones and sticks, man. Then they send out their units in extremely dumb fashion. Leave 1 person with the hostage, send the other 10 to get a vehicle back from a teddy bear.
There's cannon fodder and then there's... this.
Lucky Forward
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Not to mention the rebel team's "camouflage" made from spray painted bed sheets.
The emperor did say, "An entire legion of my best troops awaits them."
DiipuSurotu
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It's a good thing Anakin attacked a village of Sand People in AOTC; if it was a village of Ewoks he wouldn't have been so victorious.
Grover Cleveland
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Bossman Sheev was talking specifically about the troops on Endor.
Not all stormtroopers in general
LookAtMeGo
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I love the Ewoks. 2 of our birds we named tibuki-uki and yub-yub.
To be fair, the entire plot of Star Wars rests on the fact that the empire is full of overconfident idiots.
I found Ewoks more entertaining that I would find Wookies.
I had Chewie for three movies, I had the Holiday special.
That is enough wookies for me.
Plus Wookies would have been more of a fair fight, wookies are savage fighters.
PHOENIXZERO
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I liked the Ewoks as a kid so George succeeded there and after two movies showing Stormtroopers were kind of shitty at their job I didn't have a problem with them not completely steam rolling the Ewoks.
That and the following scene with Anakin and Padme, like most of the movie is awful. I think Anakin's fall would've been more effective if he had years and years worth of negative emotions that were bottled up due to his inability to let go of them with only bits and pieces of his potential brutality coming out. Instead of slaughtering the village, maybe one or two that find him would've been enough with maybe him killing them with the force either violently or the old throat crush. I get maybe George intended it to be a reason Sand People would then be afraid of Obi Wan in ANH but it seemed to over the top for someone who was still years away from his fall.
I've seen it, ignorance is truly bliss.
That and the following scene with Anakin and Padme, like most of the movie is awful. I think Anakin's fall would've been more effective if he had years and years worth of negative emotions that were bottled up due to his inability to let go of them with only bits and pieces of his potential brutality coming out. Instead of slaughtering the village, maybe one or two that find him would've been enough with maybe him killing them with the force either violently or the old throat crush. I get maybe George intended it to be a reason Sand People would then be afraid of Obi Wan in ANH but it seemed to over the top for someone who was still years away from his fall.
DiipuSurotu
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The opening is good IMO.
BossDarkseid
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as is life
TheDinoman
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Well, at the very least, Stormtroopers weren't nearly as incompetent as the CIS droids.
George literally intentionally made them useless on purpose, lol. He even said as such.
https://youtu.be/5qXan-dcl1E?t=149
George literally intentionally made them useless on purpose, lol. He even said as such.
https://youtu.be/5qXan-dcl1E?t=149
Sapiens
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Jesus, not when you spend five minutes on trying to get little tiny robots away from wrecking your ship.
Awful. Big space battle all around us...lets waste time on these stupid little robots.
The Star Wars films never got better. Star Wars and empire are equal in my mind. Jedi is slightly worse and each of the prequels were more awful than the last.
It all caps off with the snooze fest that is revenge. An uneexciting movie in every regard topped with THE worst special effects in a major film I'd seen at the time. The lava battle was the biggest let down, visually, ever. It looked bad in 2005, it looks amateurish now. Let's not even get into how boring the actual fight was (hint, it has a lot to do with two actors who have no chemistry being directed by a bored fatman).
Man, that would've been awesome.
Bobby Roberts
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How isn't it fair? It does. I'm comparing it to the Empire fight there, and the actual fight choreography, the acting in the fight, the staging of the fight, the way the fight looks - it's better in Empire. Jedi's fight has the fact it's the finale, and that Williams' music is so good. Williams' music is better than the fight itself is in Jedi. People here, when talking about that fight, talk about two things: The music (#1) and Luke hitting Vader like he's swinging a baseball bat (#2).
But that's not the case with Empire's fight. The music is amazing, but it's not the high point. Sometimes it doesn't even get mentioned when people discuss why that fight works so well. Because there's so many other things that are gotten right it doesn't occur to people to mention it.
Not to say that Jedi's fight is bad, again. I'm not saying that. I'm saying Empire's is better by a fair amount, though.
Also, I like that Jar Jar is a total fucking turd until Stoklasa writes a paragraph that says he's actually one of the better characters and suddenly Jar Jar's okay.
Lifejumper
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Found this pretty funny. JJ Abrams on his use of lens flares:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNGMTcD_jY
MagnaderAlpha
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I loved Ewoks too. Helps that I was a kid at the time, but still, I see no problem with them.
BossDarkseid
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What a good natured dude.
Fair enough. Clearly it's been too long since I've watched the OT, embarrassingly. Too many years resistance to the continual changes and not enough gumption to get ahold of Harmy's I suppose.
TangoAlphaLima
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You obviously were not paying attention in history class if that's your understanding of the Vietnam War.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties
Jack Scofield
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The buzz droids never made much sense to me. The enemy shoots a missile at Anakin. It explodes right next to his ship and buzz droids come out of it. They start messing with his controls and almost cause him to crash. But if the whole point of the buzz droids is to disable and destroy enemy vehicles, any not just use normal missiles? The one that nearly hit Anakin probably would have destroyed the ship if it were a normal explosive.
PdotMichael
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Why is that suddenly a Vietnam War denial thread?
Bobby Roberts
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It's not about having an understanding of the Vietnam War so much as it is having an understanding about the long-pushed narrative of the making of these movies. "Vietnam" is one of those keywords.
Same as Stoklasa's interview quote where he immediately drops "Howard the Duck" in there as if Lucas really had anything to do with that project creatively. But it's part of the narrative about the guy.
Supa Necta
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I agree. The trailer made them look so intimidating. I bought the sneak preview STAP and battle droid toy and imagined it mowing down the opposing army. They were completely useless and served as comic relief. They should have been like the robotic cylons in the BSG reboot.
Sapiens
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Those robots where the moment any hope I had for the film evaporated and I settled in to watch what I expected to be a solid two hours of missed opportunities. And boy, was I right.
This film just sputtered out into a flaccid dick impotently spewing whatever juice it had left.
The Super Battle Droids were kinda sorta like that in Republic Commando.
Yes, but Wookie Suits were to expensive.
TheDinoman
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For the record, Bobby, Mike wasn't saying Jar Jar was okay or a good character. He just said that he was the closest there was to being a believable character in TPM.
He's still generally terrible, but he atleast has SOME character to him. The only other guy in the prequels that has that would probably be Palpy.
He's still generally terrible, but he atleast has SOME character to him. The only other guy in the prequels that has that would probably be Palpy.
Bobby Roberts
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I didn't misunderstand him. I also didn't say Stoklasa said Jar Jar was okay.
Well yeah. But so what.
A lot of arguments about Star Wars prequels vs. the originals (and it's happened in this thread quite a bit) tends to take the shape of people listing plot points as if that's the entirety of the explanation needed, which almost never takes into account how they're executed. Anakin isn't as bad as you might be thinking because the plot of the film tells us a, b, and c about him. Which is true, absolutely. But that doesn't handwave the fact those things are all done REALLY POORLY. So poorly that the intention behind making him act that way doesn't matter.
Yeah, Jar Jar has character to him. He has a semi-recognizable motivation in the film, and something resembling an arc. That's not a secret. It's right up front. Easily noticeable. It's not like critics don't see it. They see it. It's that it doesn't even matter in the face of how poorly everything else is executed. he's not the only other guy in the prequels with an arc at all. Most of them do. It's just executed poorly that you probably just don't care if it's there or not. Or at least, you don't care until someone tells you you're supposed to.
oh so now it's terrible.. ok. My bad.
ViewtifulJC
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This reminds me of MovieBob's defense of Other M. "They made Samus a more three dimensional character...and this is a bad thing now?"
Yes...when those added dimensions are executed so poorly? Like...duh? Jar Jar Binks was a 3 dimensional character too, b...
Yes...when those added dimensions are executed so poorly? Like...duh? Jar Jar Binks was a 3 dimensional character too, b...
PdotMichael
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Depth is overrated.
It's all about execution. A fairy tale in space can be the greatest thing since sliced bread if it excetued that well.
It's all about execution. A fairy tale in space can be the greatest thing since sliced bread if it excetued that well.
WadiumArcadium
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I love the Revenge of the Sith opening. The Buzz droid bit was irritating though. You've got an exciting opening and then a scene that takes all of the momentum from it.
And what has the death count to say? USA lost the Vietnam war, even while they were far more technology advanced. That was what I said.
PdotMichael
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Buzz droid was the perfect showcase of the shitty mechanical designs and concepts in the prequels. Most of the shit was unnecessary complicated and useless, and no suspension of disbelief could save it.
And we are talking here about a franchise that has light sabers as main selling point.
And we are talking here about a franchise that has light sabers as main selling point.
NekoFever
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I watched it yesterday. The opening shot is fucking amazing, where Anakin and Obi-Wan fly in formation past the Star Destroyer and it pans down to show this colossal battle. Possibly my favourite opening shot of any of the movies, up there with the Star Destroyer flying past the camera in the first one. But spending the rest of that battle on them trying to get the stupid little droids off their ships is such a waste. Give us an awesome dogfight if you want tension on the way to Grievous' ship.
Wasnt this scene directed by Spielberg?
TangoAlphaLima
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Once again, your lack of undersranding is evident when you boil down the outcome of the war to "USA lost".
WadiumArcadium
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IIRC he was credited as Assistant Director but I'm not actually sure what he did. I think the Making Of book mentioned something about the Mustafar duel.
Bobby Roberts
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Spielberg pre-viz'd the Lightsaber battle at the end.
half a moon
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Decent sized? There's smaller screens than standard?
Wag
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Secret Fawful
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Not surprised. It's the big set piece, and it features lots of Tarzan vine-swinging.
HUELEN10
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You... Didn't know that here are different sized theatre screens?
Vault Dweller 111
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Lucas wanted Spielberg to direct ROTJ, now THAT would have been epic. But something about his fallout with the directors guild or some shit put a stop to that.
And someone please tell me why the opening to ROTS is good. You have hundreds of ships, but we don't really see anything happen. Compare that with the space battle in ROTJ and well.... Heck the only dog-fighting in that scene was just an attempt to rewrite Anakin's character in 10 seconds.
There really wasn't anything good about that opening sequence. But that's just my opinion of course.
And someone please tell me why the opening to ROTS is good. You have hundreds of ships, but we don't really see anything happen. Compare that with the space battle in ROTJ and well.... Heck the only dog-fighting in that scene was just an attempt to rewrite Anakin's character in 10 seconds.
There really wasn't anything good about that opening sequence. But that's just my opinion of course.
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