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[bonesmccoy]

Boyega nailed that 'ohshitohshitohshitohshit' look.

The last shot of him as Driver attacks is fantastic. I haven't seen a believable reaction to someone is trying to burn me in half with a laser sword since Luke in ESB/RotJ.

 

[Jonm1010]

As did you. Your "And?" was a standoffish response to my post. You could have easily said something like "Yeah I suppose the main weapons of Star Wars cauterizing wounds would detract from the level of gore that would be otherwise present in a gunfight" or you could have said "Nah not always, remember when Luke cut the Wampa and it was bleeding all over? They could still have blood" or any number of things.

Instead you give me some sort of back-handed reply as if I said something completely worthless to you. So yes I responded dismissively to your dismissive post.


I'm trying to have a discussion with you about elements of the movie that would contribute to the rating of the movie instead you want to have an argument. Again is this a regular thing for you? Do you purposefully try to antagonize people out of habit?

You quoted me, remember??

Again, I stated an opinion about the film's potential rating and your response was an unexplained statement about blasters not causing blood. With no clarity or context provided toward the relevance or purpose of that statement with respect to what I initially said. To which I ask for you to expand on your statement. To which you act dismissively, forcing me to have to infer what purpose and context that statement had toward my initial post.

I have no further interest in these poor attempts at freudian analysis.

If you have something to add relevant to what I originally said then do it. And be more clear. Start by staking out an opinion relevant to what I was talking about and then providing supporting reasoning for it.

 

[FeD.nL]

Rey rocking that brit imperial accent.

 

[boiled goose]

So people who disagree with you should just shut up and not try and have a conversation? Why even have the thread then? I feel like you can't explain to me why this trailer is any good outside of saying "but it's Star Wars".

No not at all, i'm saying you take the same trailer, shot for shot. But instead of Star Wars it's called Star Battle, same actors, same dialog, no one would give a shit outside of people saying "Oh cool JJs next Sci fi" movie

Except you couldn't do that....
The dialogue and imagery directly references the existing universe...

I don't think the trailer was OMG amazing, but that was not your original point. Your initial point was that THE MOVIE would be irrelevant.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

It was ok.

 

[GotchaForce]

Thinking it's more that Ren and co are simply twisting Vader's actions and ideals to their end. And no one really knows or believes that Vader killed the Emperor

It would be neat if in 8 or 9 Kylo and Luke face off and make it known the truth about his father. Heck, if it's in 8 maybe they turn Kylo into a heroic figure?

 

[aliengmr]

Who was talking about the prequels 2 years ago? Also this movie will be good enough to not be remembered as bad. It will be bland and fit for mass consumption



III was amazing, I dont think this will be



I'm not going to get into an age debate with you, I was in my teens when the prequels came out and even then I knew they blew. And how is the director irrelevant? We are talking about a movie not an immaculate conception. God is not willing this movie to exist. It's being made by the same guy that turned Star Trek into an action movie



Read my original post about the trailer, all I said was Fords acting looks terrible (and it is) and the dialog is pretensions.. People acted like I shit on the original movies



I'm lost in the sauce over here, I'm asking what about that trailer makes it look like anything else but a big dumb action movie? Forget it's star wars for a second. What in that trailer makes you so hyped?

 

[Toxi]

No that's Dando.

At last, the EU rises once again.

 

[TheKeyPit]

Mark my words: This movie will at least take over the 2nd place of Titanic in the all-time box offices and has the chance to beat Avatar.

 

[Daft_Cat]

I'm lost in the sauce over here, I'm asking what about that trailer makes it look like anything else but a big dumb action movie? Forget it's star wars for a second. What in that trailer makes you so hyped?

Why should I forget it's a Star Wars movie? It is a Star Wars movie. In fact, it's continuation of the best Star Wars movies (narratively, and aesthetically). If it weren't a Star Wars movie, I suppose I'd wonder why the trailer opted for such a self-important, bombastic tone, almost as if it were fixing to be a cultural event. But since it is Star Wars, those things feel earned. Familiarity with the universe and its characters is key to what makes the trailer work.

You're just trying to reduce it down to something that's not worthy of our attention. I understand the approach, but it doesn't serve your argument at all.

 

[Discotheque]

still best blockbuster of the year when dec. 31st hits brehs....

so blessed in 2015

 

[BigDug13]

Why is Spock in Star Wars?

Looks more like Tuvok.

 

[Fahrenheit]

You're saying that if you strip the movie of its identity it would be bland and generic? That's an original criticism, I'll give you that.

I feel like you are expecting something out of the franchise that was never there to begin with.

For me A New Hope was a life changing movie. Doesn't bothering me they are re packaging it to make money. Just bums me out everyone is acting like it's gonna be A New Hope again when it's gonna be more Revenge of the Sith

Why should I forget it's a Star Wars movie? It is a Star Wars movie. In fact, it's continuation of the best Star Wars movies (narratively, and aesthetically). If it weren't a Star Wars movie, I suppose I'd wonder why the trailer opted for such a self-important, bombastic tone, almost as if it were fixing to be a cultural event. But since it is Star Wars, those things feel earned. Familiarity with the universe and its characters is key to what makes the trailer work.

You're just trying to reduce it down to something that's not worthy of our attention. I understand the approach, but it doesn't serve your argument at all.

I just think your thinking is flawed. The Empire Strikes Back is not amazing because it's the follow up to A New Hope . it's amazing because it's a great movie in it's own right. Being a star wars movie didn't help the prequel movies now did it? The trailer is a loud and dumb just like every other big action movie. I also don't think the new movie earned it. The tone of the trailer is so off compared to the original movies. Is it logical to assume the trailer is not representative of the movie? To me it's not. I see this trailer I see a movie on the same level as Edge of Tomorrow, great scifi flick but not the life changing event people are making it out to me

 

[EatChildren]

still best blockbuster of the year when dec. 31st hits brehs....

Yeah but it's really not fair to compare any recent or near future action movie to Fury Road.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

This is so different from everything before it I'm just going to consider it a reboot even though its a direct sequel to ROTJ. This is Star Wars modernized in the same way ST09 was.

 

[Copenap]

I was sceptical way back when they announced it but now all I am is hype. My body is not ready.

 

[BocoDragon]

I'm not going to get into an age debate with you, I was in my teens when the prequels came out and even then I knew they blew. And how is the director irrelevant? We are talking about a movie not an immaculate conception. God is not willing this movie to exist. It's being made by the same guy that turned Star Trek into an action movie

It's not about having an age "debate." It's that seeing the impact Star Wars movies have on the mass audience is believing. If you were old enough to see the previous Star Wars movies come out and don't see how a Star Wars release is a "sure thing" for being culturally relevant, then I'm just saying that I'm shocked.

Here's the thing, even if TFA were the most maligned and boring film ever made, it would still be talked about for decades. That's the point. It is a foregone conclusion that it will be remembered! It's like electing a President. It doesn't matter how you do... You will be remembered. Just being a Star Wars film ensures cultural relevancy.

And no the director doesnt factor in to how this movie will be remembered at all. Most of the people who talk about Empire or Jedi have no understanding or care about Irvin Kirshner or Richard Marquand. Those names are infinitely smaller than Star Wars as a phenomenon, and so is JJ.

 

[rekameohs]

Why is Spock in Star Wars?

I heard that Boyega was too street to play Spock though

 

[adj_noun]

At last, the EU rises once again.

All they need now is to all have met Han Solo at least twice.

 

[Meowster]

My hype meter is at unreachable levels.

 

[pock3tmonster]

For me A New Hope was a life changing movie. Doesn't bothering me they are re packaging it to make money. Just bums me out everyone is acting like it's gonna be A New Hope again when it's gonna be more Revenge of the Sith

Have you seen the movie?

 

[SamuelSupreme]

Im going to be so pissed if Finn isn't a Jedi or Force Sensitive

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

still best blockbuster of the year when dec. 31st hits brehs....

so blessed in 2015

What if though

But yeah, on another level

 

[dark_inferno]

Damn. Looks more like Star Wars 4-6 instead of 1-3. And thats good.

Hyped as fuck.

 

[More_Badass]

For me A New Hope was a life changing movie. Doesn't bothering me they are re packaging it to make money. Just bums me out everyone is acting like it's gonna be A New Hope again when it's gonna be more Revenge of the Sith

See, this is why people are taking issues with your posts

You're making definite concrete claims about a movie that you haven't seen yet. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

For me A New Hope was a life changing movie. Doesn't bothering me they are re packaging it to make money. Just bums me out everyone is acting like it's gonna be A New Hope again when it's gonna be more Revenge of the Sith

Then would you mind explaining what exactly in A New Hope that made it a life changing experience? I think that would greatly help in making sense of your posts.

 

[ExVicis]

You quoted me, remember?

This is ridiculous if you want an argument seek it somewhere else, I refuse to engage anymore in your trolling. I hope you resolve whatever antagonist tendencies drive you to dismissively respond to people then get upset when they don't appreciate it. I'm sorry my comment about Blasters upset, confused, angered or whatever'd you so I shall endeavor to never dare quote you again out of fear you may be offended. I hope you have a good day.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

So people who disagree with you should just shut up and not try and have a conversation? Why even have the thread then? I feel like you can't explain to me why this trailer is any good outside of saying "but it's Star Wars".

No of course not, but that's not what people were originally arguing about, people were arguing about it not being culturally relevant. You moved the goalposts after people pointed out the prequels have continued relevancy/significance. Something can be culturally significant even when it's bad and many things are. The quality of this movie, predicted or actual, has little to do with whether it's going to be culturally relevant which was the original point. I could not pick another film franchise with more cultural reach then Star Wars. By sheer inertia it will endure and we have a proven model (prequels) where it continued to do so despite negative critical appraisal.

Furthermore, most things that are culturally significant are culturally significant solely because they were extremely popular, that's how culture works. Low art/culture, high art/culture, whatever, we still say culture the end of it. You can argue that one is a better ideal to strive for, but that's different from saying one is not important to culture.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

The real poster.

 

[Daft_Cat]

The last shot of him as Driver attacks is fantastic. I haven't seen a believable reaction to someone is trying to burn me in half with a laser sword since Luke in ESB/RotJ.

Yup. It's a great performance beat, and a swell indicator that the fights might just be more about power dynamics and subtext than choreography.

 

[CMojicaAce]

My god.. the music!

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Got my IMAX 3D tickets for Thursday (with the rowdys) @ 11pm.

Got my iPic tickets for Sunday (with the SO) @4pm.

Hyped.

 

[diamount]

Oh, Kylo Ren is normal Adam Driver? Was hoping he would be bald atr least - if Vader is his messiah.

 

[Jarmel]

Did people see a different version of Revenge of the Sith?

One that had fantastic framing and good acting? Seems mine was defective.

 

[kaching]

That's my whole point, this movie will not be remembered in 10-20 years. I hope i'm wrong but the trailer alone looks like every other movie trailer. Nothing about it stands out besides the name and the music.

You conveniently seem to have dropped your cynicism about mass marketing to complain that the mass market trailer doesn't seem to do enough to mass market the shit out of this movie. But, you know, you "hope" you're wrong. *winks*

Personally, beyond the name and the music, I see a lot care put into the visual design, effects, scope and cinematography to clearly engage in a higher class of world-building that stays true to the source while cohesively crafting new material and stories in that world. I see old characters I'm happy to revisit and new characters with intriguing origin stories that I'd like to see more of. Despite the intervening prequel trilogy's best attempt to deep six the franchise (oh shit, was I suppose to "not remember" those anymore?), I'm still looking forward to this one and that's because of everything I've seen in these trailers so far.

 

[CassSept]

That was so damn good. What a way to start off a day.

 

[CloudWolf]

The first two trailers were way better IMO.

 

[Krixeus]

still best blockbuster of the year when dec. 31st hits brehs....

so blessed in 2015

 

[ExVicis]

You guys say what you like about this trailer but for me

That was the best part I think of all the trailers. It says so much with so little and the accompanying music is fantastically arranged to it.

 

[statuez]

darn those goalposts! they keep moving!

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

Did people see a different version of Revenge of the Sith?

One that had fantastic framing and good acting? Seems mine was defective.

I was thinking the same thing lol.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Oh, Kylo Ren is normal Adam Driver? Was hoping he would be bald atr least - if Vader is his messiah.

Kylo Ren should have just gone all out and jumped in lava.

 

[stufte]

All they need now is to all have met Han Solo at least twice.

It goes without saying.

 

[Radec]

Amazing.

 

[Fliesen]

Oh, Kylo Ren is normal Adam Driver? Was hoping he would be bald atr least - if Vader is his messiah.

to be fair: this was Vader's last "haircut" prior to having his scalp burnt off on Mustafar.

 

[Fj0823]

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Oh, Kylo Ren is normal Adam Driver? Was hoping he would be bald atr least - if Vader is his messiah.

Do many people know Vader's face or his history, anyway?

 

[Fahrenheit]

It's not about having an age "debate." It's that seeing the impact Star Wars movies have on the mass audience is believing. If you were old enough to see the previous Star Wars movies come out and don't see how a Star Wars release is a "sure thing" for being culturally relevant, then I'm just saying that I'm shocked.

Here's the thing, even if TFA were the most maligned and boring film ever made, it would still be talked about for decades. That's the point. It is a foregone conclusion that it will be remembered! It's like electing a President. It doesn't matter how you do... You will be remembered. Just being a Star Wars film ensures cultural relevancy.

And no the director doesnt factor in to how this movie will be remembered at all. Most of the people who talk about Empire or Jedi have no understanding or care about Irvin Kirshner or Richard Marquand. Those names are infinitely smaller than Star Wars as a phenomenon, and so is JJ.

Yes the prequels where an event but turned out horrible. Is that up for debate? And yes the people who make the movie matter. Holy crap, how would you feel if Michael Bay was at the helm? Dude just because it's star wars does not mean it's gonna be amazing

Have you seen the movie?

Have you?

See, this is why people are taking issues with your posts

You're making definite concrete claims about a movie that you haven't seen yet. It's just ridiculous.

Go back and read my first post all I said was the dialog in the trailer sucked and Fords acting sucked harder

Then would you mind explaining what exactly in A New Hope that made it a life changing experience? I think that would greatly help in making sense of your posts.

That's an open ended question that really outside the scope of this thread. Ill summarize, tons of atmosphere, simple but effect plot, characters with easy to relate dialog.

No of course not, but that's not what people were arguing about, people were arguing about it not being culturally relevant. You moved the goalposts after people pointed out the prequels have continued relevancy/significance. Something can be culturally significant even when it's bad and many things are. The quality of this movie, predicted or actual, has little to do with whether it's going to be culturally relevant which was the original claim people were so up in arms about. I could not pick another film franchise with more cultural reach then Star Wars. By sheer inertia it will endure and we have a model (prequels) where it continued to do so despite negative critical appraisal.

Furthermore, most things that are culturally significant are culturally significant solely because they were extremely popular, that's how culture works. Low art/culture, high art/culture, whatever, we still say culture the end of it.

A long long time ago, on a page way back when I reworded my argument to fit to what I was trying to say. I'll say it again for you. This movie will be as cultural relevant as a new Iphone. Do you understand what I mean?

 

[BocoDragon]

Deathbed conversion right here... Damn. It's like Richard Dawkins finding Christ.

 

[JimiNutz]

Strong hints in trailer that someone dies in this? Rey appears to be crying over a dead or badly injured body in the trailer. Anybody worked out who it is by freezing the screens?