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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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thecouncil
Banned
Well, it's definitely a certain kind of fan service.
Vestal
Junior Member
For me the music combined with the visual of Rey shooting the blaster gives me ridiculous feels. That one moment sends shivers down my spine.
Fair enough, but at least show some plot..., you know, so people actually know what the film is about?
Again, it's a spoiler to tell the audience how it ends etc, not what the film is about...,
Nothing as long as it is actually good too. People who mention those things as a negative are worried the film will be nothing but that. Which lot's of new versions of old things often coast on. I don't think this will it could.
The trailer tells you virtually nothing about the plot, unless maybe you meticulously take it apart. I think it's perfectly legitimate to dislike that. It's one thing to reveal the entire plot/movie in the trailer, it's another to reveal so little.
That's all not necessarily negative, but it's understandable if someone is sceptical, given all the baggage. After all, the prequels had great trailers as well.
For this particular film, all you really need to do is watch the OT in order of release. The PT is optional, if you do watch it watch it after the OT.
Because Star Trek is now The Prequel trilogy. Nostalgia is too easy to manipulate, I mean would you rather look back or make new memories?
Anton Sugar
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It's fine it some people didn't like the trailer.
Some people didn't like the second Fury Road trailer, either, which boggled my fucking mind.
Some people didn't like the second Fury Road trailer, either, which boggled my fucking mind.
It's about wars in the stars.
borborygmus
Member
The bolded is indeed my concern, and JJ Abrams is pretty heavy handed with it.
thecouncil
Banned
Release order:
4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3
PLEASE TRUST ME.
There's no real sense to doing it any other way.
A gigantic majority of the people that love these movies watched them in this same order.
...and don't skip the prequels or accept any substitutes.
Vincent Grayson
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I hung out with this girl once who would flip her shit if you wanted her to watch a movie and dared to say, give her a one-sentence explanation of the premise. Or read the back of the movie box.
It was frustrating, to say the least.
I'm tired of them anyway. I want Han to give no fucks if he sees him again.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's not devoid of plot, it just doesn't have much for people who know nothing about Star Wars.
There is a very clear plot in the trailer. A stormtrooper leaves the empire and is trying to find his path. A dark and threatening villain is following in Vader's footsteps, possibly looking for the last of the Jedi to finish them off. The leads in this story are removed from past events and aren't aware that the story of the Jedi and Sith is real, and not just legends or stories for kids. Han is revealing the truth to them.
Plenty of story for a trailer where they're clearly holding back and didn't want it to just be loads of exposition. Not sure why people are saying that it is all style, no substance but then again there are people who claim Fury Road has minimal story in it.
Inferno313
Banned
Is "plot" the reason you go see a film? Did you watch Empire Strikes Back because you knew the opening would be the Battle of Hoth, at the end of that Luke goes to Dagobah to train and Han and Leia go to Cloud City. At Cloud City, Vader shows up, and Luke has to return to save his friends. He faces off against Vader, wherein he finds out Vader is his father, and he loses his hand. Han and Leia flee from Boba Fett to rescue Luke.
No, you probably saw Empire Strikes Back because you liked the first Star Wars, because it seemed like it would have some gorgeous visuals, some creative designs, some fun characters, and some intense action. That's exactly what this trailer tells me. I don't need to know, or even care what the plot is before I sit down.
There's going to literally be an opening crawl that will give you the premise of the film at the start. Why is it so important to know the plot of a film in advance? Let alone a Star Wars film.
Nothing, so long as the story isn't just a retread that we'll all look back on in 10 years and think "boy that was a waste of time".
Its Star Wars, its consumed enough to only be selfreferential to make us infanti... to appeal to our inner child.
Note I'm not really disagreeing with you, it is just what it is. Don't expect too much.
What is wrong with you?
LegendofLex
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Just from the trailer, you can glean that:
- There are at least two major protagonists, a guy and a girl
- The girl is
a scavenger on a desert planet
a deserter from the stormtroopers
find Han at some point
the old stories about the Force (and the Galactic Civil War?) are true
following in Darth Vader's/the Sith's footsteps and trying to "finish what you started"
- There's still some clashing going on between the followers of the old Rebel Alliance and the old Empire; the bad guy is, unsurprisingly, working with the new empire dudes
- At some point, the bad guy will confront the good guys
- Someone in the film (the guy? the girl? both?) is going to have to
embrace the Force
You have all the assumptions you need to know at least the basic present state of the universe that's going to kick off the story.
brandonh83
Banned
To them it means that they didn't come up with anything original or creative. Which is some hilarious bullshit. I mean I'm guessing that's what it's about. It's just drivel, pay no mind. Pretty much every sequel in an established franchise is getting nailed with this nowadays by the same select folk.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
I agree it's probably right to be a little cautious of the final movie, as I too was let down by the prequels and we all know a good trailer doesn't make a good film but the trailer on it's own merit is a solid movie trailer, so saying that looks "meh" well it is just strange to me that's all.
But I have a much better feeling about this than any of the prequels, the trailers give me the Star Wars vibe much more than anything in the prequels ever did and I don't hate JJ's movies like some people do, so I think this is in good enough hands to deliver an entertaining movie.
If any of the OT gang die I'll be pissed - they've served their time, don't kill them off just for 'ohh drama' points. And that goes for the droids too (well maybe you can melt down threepio)
Thinking about Han and chewie, I think Han dying would be sadder, because audiences tend to anthropomorphise animals therefore chewie being sad would tear us up more than Han being sad.
Rickelodeon
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I don't i've ever gotten chills like that from any trailer anymore. Damn good stuff in there. Really like Rey and Finn and protagonists already now, tho i wish we got more looks at Poe though. Kylo and Knights of Ren look sickkk.
What if Luke is inside C3PO? :O
That's because it's easier to use what you have rather than build new ideas. Because let's face it, if it wasn't a sequel then you would be looking at a remake. The jump should be like the jump between the Hobbit and Lord of the Ring books. That what I would call a sequel. Then you compare the movies and you have a rehash that everyone complains about.
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Vestal
Junior Member
Out of the 4 non droid OT characters the easiest to let go would be Leia. It would hurt but not as much as Chewie, Han or Luke.
brandonh83
Banned
Yes, but this is episode 7. Old things will carry over. Just like Jurassic World being set 20 years after the original. Both have their own stories and ideas, but yes, familiar elements will work themselves in naturally. Calling it nostalgia pandering and especially using it as a criticism is fucking idiotic.
I dunno. I think they've given enough. I think the visuals coupled with the basic outline/details the trailer provides is more than enough to elicit interest to see more in the theater (which is the whole point of a trailer).
1. A Storm Trooper has an internal struggle/change of heart and joins the other side
2. A girl on some distant outskirts planet meets up with Han and learns The Force isn't a just legend.
3. A bad guy and his gang is trying to fulfill the legacy/goals of Darth Vader
4. A group of rebels is fighting against this through ground and air wars
5. The Force is calling someone (the storm trooper? the girl? I think leaving it a potential question is actually good marketing to increase interest in seeing the film); they need to let it in to...become a Jedi I assume
I mean what else do you want to know about what is going on? All that is left is the intricate details and therefore plot spoilers as far as I'm concerned.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Maybe he's Kylo Ren's master.
The good guys fight the bad guys with stuff happening in between.
Agree.
Order that their deaths would hurt (least-most)
Threepio
Leia
Luke
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R2
Chewie
Han
Above the line is acceptable but sad. Below the line is heartbreaking and please don't. Han is the most painful because then chewie would be like Hachi ;_;
borborygmus
Member
That depends what "it" turns out to be. The sentiment is that hopefully it isn't just nostalgia pandering. This is a pretty reasonable opinion.
What you're arguing is a strawman, because you're addressing the opinion that the final movie is definitely just cheap fanservice, which is not something that anyone in this thread has expressed as far as I can tell. The most that I've seen in this thread is hope that the movie doesn't turn out like that.
Fleet_of_Foot
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Compare this trailer to the one for Episode 1. Episode 1 looks even more awful than I remember it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD7bpG-zDJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD7bpG-zDJQ
TheJollyCorner
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I like how much is being kept under wraps, particularly characters. This 'final' trailer could have easily been just a big character dump, but it was very restrained.
-No Luke (beyond the cloaked 'hand' from the last teaser)
-No 3P0
-No Domhnall Gleeson
-No whoever Serkis is apparently voicing
-No Max von Sydow
-Not much on Phasma other than quick snips of looking awesome
-No direct shot of Lupita's character other than a tiny image on the poster
I love it.
Can't wait.
-No Luke (beyond the cloaked 'hand' from the last teaser)
-No 3P0
-No Domhnall Gleeson
-No whoever Serkis is apparently voicing
-No Max von Sydow
-Not much on Phasma other than quick snips of looking awesome
-No direct shot of Lupita's character other than a tiny image on the poster
I love it.
Can't wait.
If Han dies there is going to be Stormtrooper arms flying everywhere.
BFIB
Member
Disney didn't spend that much money to acquire LucasFilm to create a cash grab. They are building out an entire franchise here, but you can't bring in new fans without some level of service to the old fans too.
brandonh83
Banned
I've seen several posters yell nostalgia pandering at everything, for this movie, for other sequels. Even before we saw anything from Force Awakens, people were saying that since Abrams is doing it and he's a "fanboy" that it'll be nothing but nostalgia pandering-- when it's very sensible, being a straight up sequel, to have characters and elements carry over.
So forgive me if I think that people are using it as a criticism, because that's exactly how its always felt to me. There's a new story, new main characters, there's even a new iconic droid in BB-8, and not just R2/3PO again (though they'll be in it). But people hear about the original actors coming back, and it's all just nostalgia pandering/retreading.
borborygmus
Member
Nobody's implying the movie is a scam, or made with cynical intentions. That's a very extreme take on what's actually being said.
It's a question of talent, not ethics.
When real people talk, verbal shortcuts are used. Hyperbole is a figure of speech with the motivation of expressing strong opinions. You're taking it literally as though people have boycotted the movie.
Real Hero explained what was actually meant:
Pretty fair concern if you ask me.
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