Just spam charged burst and use aimed shot when it's off cooldown.
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Just spam charged burst and use aimed shot when it's off cooldown.
The smuggler is the republic version of the operative I think
So I guess I just suck.
I know if I stick with it long enough I'll get used to it but... learning sucks!
It's not about sucking, it's like you said at the end: Learning. Most of the abilities serve as a specific tool for a character in a specific situation.
Are you playing the scoundrel or the gunslinger? Scoundrel does play like the operative and that class has one of the simplest actual DPS rotations. You'll find that as you level and apply points to a tree a lot of the damaging abilities become less important.
Looking at the Operative/Scoundrel you have Backstab, Shiv, Overload Shot, Lacerate, Acid Blade and Stim Boost as your main DPS abilities (Names are different for the scoundrel). If you never want to do anything but hit enemies you can manage with just 6 buttons plus your basic attack. Sniper/Gunslinger main dps rotation is similarly streamlined as well. You end up with two aoe abilities (A reusable one and a slight cooldown ranged one) and the rest of your abilities are situational.
I would suggest anyone unhappy with the number of abilities not to roll a Juggernaut/Guardian tank with biochem consumables.
EDIT: I will mention there are some superflous abilities. Mostly those 'incapacitated non elite enemy finishers' which are clearly just junk filler. Savage Kick also seems like a filler ability for the Warrior. For operative the 'extra stealthy stealth' ability is probably unnecessary, outside of that I use every single one of his 22 hotkeys while I'm playing and would be less effective without them.
Gunmonkey36
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For BH powertech tanking I have 6 abilities in the rotation, 2 more for aoe tanking, 4 cooldowns, 2 relics, 2 taunts, 2 cc. I couldn't do it without my naga.
Also I f'n love the fact that ops groups are 8 man. I setup my own free ventrilo server for the guild(free ventrilo servers have a max size of 8 people)
I think I found an infinite affection glitch for Mako on Nar Shaddaa.
, you can
to repeat an affection gain dialog. I did it about 10 times and ended up with over 400 affection from the end of that mission.
After the Eidolon kills Mako's friend in the cantina
keep clicking his body
The ops that will be worth running in the long run (Hardmode stuff) are 16 man, though.
Well I really think they misstepped there and listened to the wrong crowd of people. They've gone too far in the other direction. I never had a raid/heroic rotation in my 7 years of WoW that exceeded really more than 4, maybe 5 abilities used regularly, plus a couple of CD's. Adding more than that really just makes things more convoluted, not complex.
Fun, to me, isn't having your left hand dance all over the keyboard. This is too much.
Gunmonkey36
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Matter of opinion, my friends and I are close nit and we don't have that many people. So it is doubtful we will ever touch 16 man Ops
BattleMonkey
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As long as the rewards are good, people love the hardmode flashpoints for quick and easy runs.
In a sense yes, but also disagree to a point. They put in a bunch of abilities which are redundant which I think is what is wrong, but having a bunch of abilities to use is not bad at all IMO. Complaint many have had with WoW and other MMOs is how it's just you repeating the same 3 abilities over and over again for long periods of time. Having you use more abilities and doing more in general is something I like as it keeps me active and involved in group content instead of just sitting there pressing the same 3 buttons without having to really think about it.
The problem really is not that, though,if you want to use only a couple abilities in TOR you can easily, it's up to the player to what they use, but what they did mess up on was some classes have abilities that just really are not needed because of redundancy. Sith Warrior for example has pommel strike and savage kick, abilities that are exactly the same pretty much except one just does more damage making the other redundant, why do I want this taking up space on my hotbar? I don't. They could have trimmed some of this fat.
Mattdaddy
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Can I create a macro for my Jedi Knight that binds sundering slash and regular slash, so that I can just hit one button and sundering will be used if it's off CD, and regular slash will be used otherwise? Would be much easier than juggling the two back and forth, but I have no idea how to do this...
I don't think there are macros in swtor.
You can't create macros yet.
I'm a Gunslinger. It's not super complicated yet but I'm already starting to feel overwhelmed at level 12. But yeah... learning. Not sure I want to commit the time or effort to learn. That's my biggest problem with the game right now.
I don't want to just hit people. I want to be as effective as I possibly can with my class.
I agree.
More buttons doesn't make it more tactical or more involved for me. It just makes it unnecessarily complex. From what I've played of this game, it's not any more tactical than something like WoW. But I have like 2x more active buttons already than my wotlk mut rogue had.
My decisions in combat should be how I should react to what is happening (interrupts or whatever). It's not fun for me when my decisions in combat are which attack out of 8 I should be doing right now.
I usually main a healer in MMOs and I planned to roll one in this game after I get the hang of things. But I don't even want to think about how complicated healing in SWTOR is if a simple DPS-only class already has me overwhelmed.
Mattdaddy
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The number of 3 button classes (DPS at least) is minimal. I've taken rogue, warrior, death knight, hunter, enhancement shammy, and mage to raids and the only one accurate to the 3 ability complaint was the mage. And even that was spec/time in WoW history dependent. If someone complains about DPS classes in WoW not having enough abilities, they should back away from the arcane mage because it's essentially an invented problem otherwise.
My issue is that 7 or 8 buttons in a rotation versus 4 or 5 is that it's not harder to track. Everyone is still going to be able to do it, the mental and reaction ceilings haven't been raised. You'll still find that you'll be sitting there not really thinking about it, but instead of it being 5 buttons, it's 8. However, you're now unbinding other buttons in order to fit the additional 2 or 4 abilities on the left side of the keyboard, or you're buying a mouse with 16 buttons, or you're playing hand aerobics.
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Sorry if this comes off as harsh, I don't take personal issue with you. I just see the happy medium between too few and too many abilities really to be 5 or 6 on the high side.
BattleMonkey
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A DPS in TOR is only complicated if you make it so. Really you should only be using several abilities that work the best for you. Lot of the abilities are just situational or utility that you are not going to use often. For DPS you should just set up a simple rotation of abilities for yourself.
Tanking and healing is where it gets more complex as you have to manage lot more abilities and it's more like old school MMOs of having to be more attentive. Tanking is not simple aoe taunt spam here for example.
darth_infamous
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I wouldn't worry about having to know which abilities to use when until you are higher level, at least 40 I would say. At that point you have the skill from the top of your skill tree and rotations become much more apparent. At 43 I'm only using maybe five skills in total due to the way abilities and bonuses sync up.
Who has a 7 or 8 button single target DPS rotation exactly? All of them are right around five when you take out the basic attack which is basically your auto-attack. Is that the thing that's causing everyone problems? The fact that you have to actually click on your autoattack?
How are you having to unbind buttons? That only seems realistic if you have some upper limit to the number of keybinds you're willing to memorize/use. If there is a limit then you do have a mental/reaction ceiling where you can't managed to react to that many different situations and you have to choose which ones you want to not be prepared for.
You might have 2x more 'active buttons' than your mut rogue (An absurdly simplistic dps class I might add) but you don't have 2x the pure ST dps abilities. You can probably be 99% effective at your level by popping into cover and spamming Snipe/Explosive probe...I'm not sure what you find to be so overwhelming about that.
I will say this: Healers are not more complicated than DPS. The healing toolbox in this game is very narrow and I use a very small number of keybinds when healing. You might find it to be more to your liking.
Interfectum
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TOR DPS rotations complicated? Really? You guys realize you don't have to use every ability in your arsenal right? Use what gets the job done, adjust as needed.
Speaking of rotations, wondering if this is how most Gunslingers are playing.
Here is what I do (level 12).
Open with Aimed Shot
Use the Charged shot buff and then hit Charged Shot.
If they're still alive I'll throw a Thermal Charge on them and then Charged Shot to blow it up.
In AoE I'll use the Grenade and Blinding Grenade if it's up, and then single target the strongest guy.
I'll just Quick Shot and right click if they are weak, no sense going into crouch for that I think.
This what you guys are doing mostly?
Here is what I do (level 12).
Open with Aimed Shot
Use the Charged shot buff and then hit Charged Shot.
If they're still alive I'll throw a Thermal Charge on them and then Charged Shot to blow it up.
In AoE I'll use the Grenade and Blinding Grenade if it's up, and then single target the strongest guy.
I'll just Quick Shot and right click if they are weak, no sense going into crouch for that I think.
This what you guys are doing mostly?
notworksafe
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Wait...so Legacy names are set account wide? So I shouldn't have named my character Tacoface Delicioso? Crap.
Jezbollah
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(EU) Tomb of Freedon Nadd just crashed.
Everything else seems to still be online.
Yep. Got booted out....
Gunslinger. I can speak to this better when I'm not at work (when I actually have the game and my bars in front of me). Also, you can't "take out the basic attack" as you're still using it. It's an attack.
For leveling sure. If you think this isn't going to change on the high end, you'll likely be mistaken.
Not complicated, convoluted.
This name is awesome.
notworksafe
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Thanks! It works even better because I picked the character model that looks like she's had a few too many tacos lately.
DimmuBurgerKing
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AndrewDean84xX
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Interfectum
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How's the bounty hunter storyline and armor sets? I'm thinking about rolling a BH alt.
The problem I have with smuggler/gunslinger is the "cover" mechanic. Ugh. I jump behind some cover only to have the mob standing right next to me while I'm standing behind "cover". Heh, heh. I laugh every time that happens. They should just crap the whole thing and come up with something else, in my opinion.
The portable shield is fine but using the surroundings as your cover mechanically doesn't work well. It also gives LoS issues about 70% of the time and doesn't trigger the Charged Blast with no cast time either.
popsicle_sundays
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So I got to level 11 with my Sith Warrior and became a Marauder even though some folks said it's not a great class. I saw a few points saying the right rotations are needed, etc. I considered Juggernaut but I'm not interested in tanking, did it way too much in WoW.
The game is fantastic so far, my only complaint is for them to fix V-sync. I had to use Dxtory to limit my FPS to 60 otherwise my GPU sounded like a jet engine (Getting 120 fps in certain areas).
As for marauder, I've only put into the skills to increase my off hand damage, which tree is most beneficial for soloing? The Annihilator tree looks pretty good.
Does GAF have a guild? I'm on the same server as you guys.
The game is fantastic so far, my only complaint is for them to fix V-sync. I had to use Dxtory to limit my FPS to 60 otherwise my GPU sounded like a jet engine (Getting 120 fps in certain areas).
As for marauder, I've only put into the skills to increase my off hand damage, which tree is most beneficial for soloing? The Annihilator tree looks pretty good.
Does GAF have a guild? I'm on the same server as you guys.
BattleMonkey
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Cool armor, but shitty helms till late levels
yeah you get quite a few follow ups from quests.
Aimed Shot, Charged Burst, Speed Shot, Flurry of Bolts, Trick Shot, Basic Attack (BTW you can right click on the enemy to do this, doesn't have to be keybound if you're really hurting for keybinds). You'll have rapid fire every 90 seconds and quick draw might be usable in execute range.
I just don't buy the complaints that DPS rotations are too 'convoluted'. If you strip it down to 3/4 abilities it becomes far too simple and you can't have a true priority system in place.
tycoonheart
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I love getting letters from quest givers updating me on what has happened. Its a nice touch.
There's something more basic than flurry of bolts? What the shit. I've clearly missed something there.
Then perhaps we can have a happy medium of 5 or 6, like I've been saying.
BattleMonkey
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Legacy names are part of the legacy system, it's your surname or you can make it part of your legacy under your name like another form of title. If you choose one, all your characters share it.
The jan patch is unknown, all that has been said is a new flashpoint is being added, and the Palace Operation is getting extended and improved with more content. They only gave that as a sneak peek so what is is coming in the patch is not known.
I'm a 23 gunslinger and this is pretty much what I do... gunslinger skill tree takes advantage of charged shot/aimed shot so those will be the primary attack skills. You don't really need all the basic smuggler shooting skills (vital shot etc)
Use "take cover here" instead. It just drops a shield down where you stand.
Skellig Gra
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Sage's have a shit ton of skills. Especially when you consider their hybrid role. Multiple heals, shields, debuffs. It's like playing a holy priest, shadow priest, and warlock (from WoW) all at once. It's not overwhelming, I just need a lot of screen real estate.
Thanks!
I heard that virtually all non-flashpoint quests are unique to each class, so there's actually a ton of content if you roll each class. True?
Skellig Gra
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No thats not even remotely true. Most quests are shared by all classes in a faction.
Edit: There are plenty of unique class quests, so you do get a good amount of content with each different class.
Yeah. I know. Use it all the time, but it sucks. Especially since melee guys run in and start pounding on you even though you're "behind cover". Ha, ha!! It's a stupid mechanic in my opinion.
BattleMonkey
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There is shared content, majority of it is shared amongst the faction. Each class has unique content yes, but its only a portion of the content.
What are melee guys supposed to do? Course we are going to come over there and stab you