cartoon_soldier
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It's a nice model. Sure, communication could have been better. Gotta wonder what kind numbers the game is selling.
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Star Wars: The Old Republic |OT| EA: "Let's blow this thing and go home!"
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It's a nice model. Sure, communication could have been better. Gotta wonder what kind numbers the game is selling.
Robobandit
Member
That person fails at reading comprehension.. Stephen specifically said that "adding a lot of players in a short period" constitutes a stress test, which is not what they are doing. i.e. they aren't trying to break their servers.. they are adding smaller numbers of people (hence waves) to make sure that they can hold up instead of just continually throwing more people at them by opening the flood gates.
I don't understand why people are bitching about this.. the whole process is a queue.. and people that pre-ordered late or didn't register their codes are going to have to wait.
I pre-ordered last week and I fully understand that I'm at the back of the line. Opening the floodgates at once can and will cause their servers to crash, their login servers will fail and people won't be able to access the forums to bitch about the game not working..
I don't see how suffering horrible lag, client crashes, server crashes, rollbacks and all of the other things that come with a full-on everybody-at-once launch is a preferable situation to the staged roll-out that they are doing now..
Wait until the 20th
Freyjadour
Member
People that are okay with it are either inexperienced with MMOs or are busy enough to not be bothered by it. I'm not saying that the mindless rage is justified, but neither is apathy.
Again, their servers should be able to withstand the kind of traffic that would've hit on the 20th without EA. So the explanations are: avoiding overcrowding, reducing queues, etc. All things that most people would put up with because they are accustomed to this stuff on MMO/Expansion launches. If not, wait until a month or so after release and play in solitude/peace.
I really balk at the idea that the reason for the waves is a deterrence of "horrible lag, client crashes, server crashes, rollbacks, etc.". It's 2011 and we're going to see that same kind of traffic hit on the 20th or whatever day that all the preorders make it in on anyway. Bioware's either prepared for that or they aren't.
It's just one person crying because they didn't get in with the rest of their guild. I mean, I understand where they are coming from (it sucks to be left out) but the whole bit about not being able to kill the world boss on some planet because they aren't of the right level and that nobody will be around for them to do it later reeks of entitled whining.
Then he proceeds to (poorly) deconstruct the original post and make logical leaps that bear no merit. Just because you can articulate a point well doesn't mean the point is right in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
Finally the first bit where he preemptively lets Bioware off the hook by attributing the current situation to EA (where in reality he knows nothing about the situation) is just sickening and demonstrates his inability to think rationally about this subject.
cartoon_soldier
Member
How the early access was going to work has been known for a while.
i actually disagree about having a right to complain about the grace period. i'm not sure what part of the mmo-model makes consumers feel entitled to these kinds of things. you're already playing for a week for free .. does it suck? sure. does it matter? nope.
Freyjadour
Member
That's great, but not really a response to what I said.
So those who want a quality experience should wait a month? No. Staged access is much better.
Freyjadour
Member
Please stop with the split-second reaction posts.
Months ago Bioware said there was a grace period. Then they removed all mentions of it from the website and said there wasn't a grace period. People have every right to be angry when they were lied to.
Does Armstech have good endgame stuff (that is, do we know about them yet)? I hate grinding instances and raids so i'd like to craft good stuff for myself.
Thematically Slicing, Diplomacy, Investigation and Underworld Trading would fit an Imperial Agent excellently but will it be profitable to choose three of those?
Besides, it looks like i'm going to need a lot of gifts for companions...
Cybertech's ability to craft speeders is intriguing but are they BoP or BoE? If BoE, i won't bother with that one.
Thematically Slicing, Diplomacy, Investigation and Underworld Trading would fit an Imperial Agent excellently but will it be profitable to choose three of those?
Besides, it looks like i'm going to need a lot of gifts for companions...
Cybertech's ability to craft speeders is intriguing but are they BoP or BoE? If BoE, i won't bother with that one.
Dakota47
Member
After my first evening with SWTOR I am giving it a thumbs-up. I have played up to level 8 and it's been fun so far. Being able to properly play a role in an MMORPG is more fun than I would have imagined. I'm going Dark Side all the way and it is pretty neat to actually make 'meaningful' choices for your character in stead of just making up some lame RP back story. For the rest it is pretty much World of Starwarscraft, a bit like RIFT in the sense that it is a good clone. Right now I can see myself playing this game until after the first free month, but we'll see in January how that goes. Not committing yet.
Btw my dude, a Jedi Consular who will in time be a healing Sage.
Btw my dude, a Jedi Consular who will in time be a healing Sage.
I doubt people wouldn't be angry if they just flat out say no grace period from the beginning.
People want free stuff. They'll complain about anything.
I read your post and responded to it. If its so easily shot down maybe you should rethink your argument.
Pfft, you think you're entitled to the truth?!
Well one of the problems is people based their purchasing decision around a grace period. I'm sure many more people would have bought from Origin if they had known about this. Plus we had no idea it would be releasing in the busiest mail week of the year.
Freyjadour
Member
By that logic (note that I'm speaking hypothetically), staged access provides "quality experience" to those who preordered early. The number of people playing will increase until everyone is in, probably a few days before the 20th. So staged access provides a "quality" experience for what, a day or two?
You seem to have the idea that staged access is some sort of panacea for how many people are logged on at the same time. My point is that, regardless of how many people Bioware let in yesterday, lets in tomorrow, or the day after, within no time at all we'll be in the same situation as if they let in everyone today.
NeoGAF as a whole has issues with responding to posts that are in the middle of a discussion without consideration of context.
Hope you are on 4G!!!
AT&T 3G, America's fastest* network
*lolno
My ping has been surprisingly low. I'm assuming my server is in Austin.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I think how long you can play before entering a key. Guess after early start, you need a key on the 20th to keep playing. With the holidays gonna be hard for online ordering people to get it day 1.
Ah, i see. I should be seeing the activation key on Origin on 20th, right? And i dearly hope it is not used on swtor.com... I doubt that site is online on 20th for a moment :/
It's in the OP now!
Stormwatch
Member
It's in the OP:
How do I force AA?
Under
C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\SWTOR\swtor\settings
go to client_settings and add:
AntiAliasingLevel = 8
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
20th or a few days before I assume. Think it will be unlocked via swtor.com like the perorder stuff
Its not neogaf in this situation, you are just incorrect. In starter levels having a log jam of people makes launch annoying and unpleasant. This gives players a chance to spread out and enjoy the content. It also gets rid of ques and other annoyances. It serves everyone but those who feel entitled to extras others earned.
Freyjadour
Member
Zones are instanced, overcrowding in that sense should never happen. I'd much rather sit in an hour queue and play tonight when I have time as opposed to a few days down the road when I might not.
"Extras others earned"? Earned is a strong word friend.
Looking at this stream, starting area is barren. I guess that is just good instancing?
Oh also now servers are all reading as "light" instead of "full."
And Frey does bring up a good point. What is the point of rolling if on teh 20th (for instance) they will be capped out with people. It's just a slower way of getting to the same point? (Not trying to troll)
Oh also now servers are all reading as "light" instead of "full."
And Frey does bring up a good point. What is the point of rolling if on teh 20th (for instance) they will be capped out with people. It's just a slower way of getting to the same point? (Not trying to troll)
And what extras has anyone earned? By pre-ordering the game before me?
Felix Lighter
Member
The day the preorders were first accepted they said those who enter their preorder codes first will be the first to get early access. That was why I quickly entered my code the second amazon sent it. Why has it come to such a surprise now that it's happening?
People wouldn't have cared if they hadn't decided to launch on December 20th. You know the busiest damn week of the year for mail. Also the launch is relatively limited so for people in red zone countries, they could be out for two weeks.
Seriously it amazes me that people have such a hard time understanding where other people are coming from.
Was watching streams earlier and noticed the same thing - there's virtually no one around. There were a bunch of people in chat saying it's a ghost town. I don't think that many got in today.
Same deal with any other game if you don't take into account that TOR can let you play for FREE several days before launch.
Giolon
Member
The most people I ever saw on one planet during the day was 121 (keep in mind that's single faction, semi-segregated starter area). Bioware may have let in 10,000s or 100,000s but they're spread over tons of servers, and contrary to what people around here might think, most people do have to work during the day. I'm interested to hear the numbers from the evening (like now), but I'm not going to be back into the game until late tonight.
I doubt there is really that many people on even if it is "peak" time. I think BW went super super conservative. Not sure why, the Beta had 0 lag issues or crowding issues for me.
This is a MMO, this isn't a normal game.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Yeah they should let jobless bums like me play!
Earned yes. As in i played by the rules, was there day 1 and reap the rewards. Simple as that. Overcrowding does happen but not for this launch. Im glad it wont be a clusterfuck like vanilla wow.
It's still the same right now population wise.
Switched over to Swifty's stream.
http://www.athenelive.com/stream/162871/
Switched over to Swifty's stream.
http://www.athenelive.com/stream/162871/
http://www.twitch.tv/shift_tv Also a good stream
Eh I'm not so sure. I mean did you "earn" it more than people who ordered in August? I wasn't following the game when it was up for pre-release so I am less of a fan because of it?
Eh I'm not so sure. I mean did you "earn" it more than people who ordered in August? I wasn't following the game when it was up for pre-release so I am less of a fan because of it?