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Star Wars: The Old Republic |OT| EA: "Let's blow this thing and go home!"

squidyj

Member
Man, what's the deal with these game time cards? nobody has any and I passed by a Best Buy today and the guy there told me they only got a couple cards in at launch and barely any more since. What the hell?

I should say I'm in Canada in case the situation is different elsewhere.

Oh, also, who do I talk to to get Walsingham (operative) invited to the GAF Empire?
 
OK seriously it is taking longer to install this patch than it did to install the original game...something's gotta be wrong here. I'm getting like 1% per minute, if that.
 

JWong

Banned
1) As a 35 Operative i would routinely get destroyed by 10-15s of other classes.
2) My level 10 Sentinel did more damage, got more kills, and had less deaths than any game of my Operative pre-50.
3) As people get expertise the Operatives ones trick stops working.

Operative DPS sucks. Its only use is taking down those that are already injured or finding low-levels with no Expertise that you can burst down. Thats basically it. Once your target gets up, even if they are at 50%, the Operative almost always loses. If they toss a DoT on you.. esp one thats not physical.. its c u @ gy.

How are you playing? PVPing while leveling up, I'd be top of heals and ditch out 1k shivs and 2k backstabs.

Geared up 50 ops will backstab for like 4k.
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
Any Illum news? Like, is EA/BW/whoever doing something or are they still at breakfast ?

<shrug>

Trying to figure out how to have what is left of their cake and eat it too. Too bad they will just end up with an empty stomach.
 

Emitan

Member
Getting random black flashes and sometimes when the camera changes shots in dialogs the screen turns black until it's a different shot.
 

Choc

Banned
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this is what happens when there are no 50's on the PTR

let us use our 50's on the PTR and they would have found this
 
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this is what happens when there are no 50's on the PTR

let us use our 50's on the PTR and they would have found this

Yea that's a baffling issue in itself. This patch was on the ptr for like a week, with no population to even test it. How hard would it be to speed up lvling or give people 1 lvl 50 character of their choice to test the endgame stuff they're trying to implement...
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
How are you playing? PVPing while leveling up, I'd be top of heals and ditch out 1k shivs and 2k backstabs.
After i had problems with the interface accurately reflecting the health of team members i switched from healing to Concealment. This was at level 20 or so.

Geared up 50 ops will backstab for like 4k.
Geared out and against people without Expertise this can happen. To hit someone for over 9000 (makes me think now more than ever that whoever posted that originally was just a joke) you would need to get about 300% Surge or something ridiculous and have the target be someone with 0% Expertise.
 

Cystm

Member
This patch is a joke. They are taking baby steps with their updates and still fucking failing miserably.

"PvP? SURE. HERE YOU GO! Wait, you want us to test this shit before launching it? OK! Public test realms are go! But, no premade 50's, because we are too busy counting all this money EA put into this game. Wait, wait, wait, now you are saying that there is a PvP breaking bug on the level 50 PvP planet that imbalances the game for almost everyone interested in PvP? WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT!"

I am now a Battle Master. All I had to do was join a raid and spam AoE for two hours.
 
This patch is a joke. They are taking baby steps with their updates and still fucking failing miserably.

"PvP? SURE. HERE YOU GO! Wait, you want us to test this shit before launching it? OK! Public test realms are go! But, no premade 50's, because we are too busy counting all this money EA put into this game. Wait, wait, wait, now you are saying that there is a PvP breaking bug on the level 50 PvP planet that imbalances the game for almost everyone interested in PvP? WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT!"

I am now a Battle Master. All I had to do was join a raid and spam AoE for two hours.

I really hope they have an ace up their sleeve, because if not, the fact that they didn't take the servers down immediately is potentially devastating for the future of PvP and/or the game. At this point, I'm more interested in seeing what they're going to do just for the suspense aspect, and less because I want it actually fixed ASAP.

I will be really surprised if they don't say something about it TODAY, but by now it's already 6:30PM over there, I would think they would have had ample time to put together a response.
 

Choc

Banned
This patch is a joke. They are taking baby steps with their updates and still fucking failing miserably.

"PvP? SURE. HERE YOU GO! Wait, you want us to test this shit before launching it? OK! Public test realms are go! But, no premade 50's, because we are too busy counting all this money EA put into this game. Wait, wait, wait, now you are saying that there is a PvP breaking bug on the level 50 PvP planet that imbalances the game for almost everyone interested in PvP? WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT!"

I am now a Battle Master. All I had to do was join a raid and spam AoE for two hours.

i dont want you to get banned and i dont think you shoul dbe, but surely under TOS this is exploiting?
 
So people are getting a lot of Valor points from sitting in Ilum? Are they getting tons of bags from this or something?

You get the ability to access the highest level of pvp gear. Normally its a very long grind to access battlemaster gear. Now any 50 can access it their first day after a few hours of Ilum battleing.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
Someone posted this pic of pvp from republic side.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SIKuTS7nGkg/Txdgkrt34RI/AAAAAAAAEkM/8Zva0l_fDww/s1440/Fun.jpg

And apparently people are getting maxed valor rank in hours? Not sure since I've been out all day. I only got to try the AA before leaving, and I've been looking at the forums from my ipad. It's not pretty lol.
i aint even mad. i cbf to even do this. Going to play my Sentinel.

So.. I don't quite understand... Is 'Battle Master' SWTOR's 'High Warlord'?
Kind of. Getting the rank doesnt net you the gear though. They still need to grind out the gear but it means that people that do this will just skip the lowest grind. Seems like a huge meltdown over little to be honest.
 

Ferrio

Banned
So I don't have the game, but I'm curious what they broke with the patch? Anyone break it down simply?


edit: Oh convinient *reads above*


So people can just rank up really quickly somehow?
 

rockx4

Member
Seems they updated the Ilum thread with a response... letting us know they're working on an "official response" to the issue.

Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you know that we are currently working on an official response to these issues (we used the term "potential" during our initial investigating, and have now removed the wording on the title of this thread) and we will be posting it soon. Please understand that these issues require some time to investigate and we are making sure that we provide you all with the most updated information in our official response.

We understand that some of you may be frustrated, but we ask for your patience on this to give us time to respond with thorough developer input.
 
Seems they updated the Ilum thread with a response... letting us know they're working on an "official response" to the issue.

Wasn't that update about an official response a few hours ago?

You would THINK that the fact that they haven't at least hotfixed or taken down the servers momentarily means they have the ability to roll back valor or something. The debate earlier over whether these people will get to keep the easy mode valor is one thing, but to let it sit all day continuing to be used, with more and more people taking advantage?
 
They will respond with what they have to do to fix it and what will be done to those who exploited it.

Then everybody who reached level 65 valor will whine the forums.
 
They will respond with what they have to do to fix it and what will be done to those who exploited it.

Then everybody who reached level 65 valor will whine the forums.

This is my prediction, although I'll go out on a limb and say we're going to get a free day of time as well. My reasoning? Why not. :lol

and they now must put 50s on the PTR

Hopefully this is the most important thing they take away from this debacle. The patch was on the PTR for what, a week and a half? How many people really felt up to leveling to 50 in that short time span, and even if they did, how much time was left to test these things?

I can't wait to hear how Karagga's Palace is going tonight. Just think, we're only getting a pvp debacle right now, the majority of raiders haven't entered the fray. :lol
 

rockx4

Member
I didn't know what the actual "exploit" was either, was just reading the forums. IGN posted an article on it.

The issue, it seems, stems from the fact that turrets around each faction's spawn-point award large amounts of Valor (basically experience for PvP). They also respawn instantly. When you mix instant respawns and large rewards, people are going to stand there and get their fill. Putting those things directly on top of a faction spawn-point is a really good way to break a player's will to ever play again ever.


http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1216769p1.html
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
Valor Rollbacks will probably be necessary to the people who did it.
Might be kind of hard since they would have to be able to tell who got it legitimately and who didnt and then do something with the gear the legit people bought with Commendations that they can no longer wear.
 

Moaradin

Member
Eh, they will probably just rollback all valor gained in the last 10 hours or so. People couldn't have made much progress within that time legit, without doing the exploit. They do need to do it quick though, because the more they wait the worse the rollback will be.
 
and they now must put 50s on the PTR

I agree. I think this feature just got de-prioritized during development. To be totally honest, this probably isn't as trivial as everyone thinks it is, as it is basically equivalent to implementing server migration, which they probably didn't think they would need for a while. But, in light of current issues, I'm guessing it gets bumped to the top of the priority list.
 
Might be kind of hard since they would have to be able to tell who got it legitimately and who didnt and then do something with the gear the legit people bought with Commendations that they can no longer wear.

Mhm no matter what they do people are going to be fairly upset. Regardless they should be working nonstop to at least fix the state of Ilum currently which I'm sure they are doing.

At least like many have said this should prompt the PTR to have level 50's available for testing.
 

Azzurri

Member
Someone posted this pic of pvp from republic side.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SIKuTS7nGkg/Txdgkrt34RI/AAAAAAAAEkM/8Zva0l_fDww/s1440/Fun.jpg

And apparently people are getting maxed valor rank in hours? Not sure since I've been out all day. I only got to try the AA before leaving, and I've been looking at the forums from my ipad. It's not pretty lol.

And these are probably the same people who complain there's nothing to do at lvl 50. Well, if you didn't exploit the game and hit max rank within hours, then there would probably be stuff to do.
 

bjb

Banned
I was "fortunate" (I guess) to get into the first Ilum Op's group this morning when server's went live.

We immediately attacked the Republic base which was mostly barren. After we downed the first Turret, everyone quickly realized what appeared to be a massive Valor spike. We proceeded to down them a few more times before the Republic forces finally became too problematic.

When it was over, I went from Valor Rank 39 to 51 within an hour. I then proceeded to grind a few more ranks just leaching kills by buffing my group. Was difficult to attack anything as melee.

The game is an absolute joke now. There needs to be a petition for James Ohlen to resign.

I feel so bad for anyone who grinded Battlemaster legitimately. Any ranged Dps or Healer could easily hit rank 60 by tonight. There are guys in my guild getting 160 Valor every 10 seconds (minimum).
 

Azzurri

Member
Hello everyone; I wanted to update you on the issues we&#8217;ve been seeing today on the live servers, specifically within the Open World PvP area on Ilum. We&#8217;re aware that on some servers, either Republic or Empire groups have been capturing the Ilum control points, entering the enemy&#8217;s base and &#8216;camping&#8217; the medcenters, preventing the opposite faction from leaving their base to recapture control points. This is not a fair or balanced gameplay experience and can also severely affect client performance, so we&#8217;re taking steps to address this.

Our intended design for Ilum Open World PvP is that players are instantly killed when entering the enemy&#8217;s base safe area, just like in Warzones, and that the defending faction can take taxis to other points within the zone. As of Game Update 1.1, this is not working as intended. We have found the issue preventing this from happening under server load and will be publishing an Emergency Patch to address the issue. We&#8217;re aiming to have this patch published early tomorrow morning (January 19th, 5 AM US CST).

In addition to these changes, we&#8217;ll be reducing the population cap on Ilum. This should help increase performance by requiring your client to render fewer characters on-screen at once.

Regarding Valor gains, with the 1.1 update, players now receive a base reward of 20 Valor per unique enemy player defeated in a short time, and this base reward is modified by the number of objectives that the player&#8217;s faction owns. The gains are rate limited per player killed, encouraging players to attack unique players, not to pursue vendettas. The Valor gains players can see over time will vary greatly depending on the activity level in the zone. This is expected.

To dispel a couple of rumors that have been seen today &#8211; there is no Valor gain from destroying turrets within enemy bases, and none from killing NPCs.

We encourage players to avoid Ilum until our patch is deployed. As a temporary measure we will be disabling taxi services which would normally take players into the Open World PvP area. However, players will still be able to taxi out of the area.

We will continue to monitor Ilum across all servers and will make further changes to gameplay if required. We welcome your feedback here on the Forums, but please ensure your feedback is constructive and specific. Feedback based on rumor does not help us isolate potential issues.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=197991
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
Mhm no matter what they do people are going to be fairly upset. Regardless they should be working nonstop to at least fix the state of Ilum currently which I'm sure they are doing.

At least like many have said this should prompt the PTR to have level 50's available for testing.
Oh people are going to be angry either way. Nobody will quit over either option. If it were me id get rid of Valor gains for Mobs/despawn the mobs/close down Ilum (whichever was easiest and fastest to implement while the problem is hammered out). After that everyone that is below rank 65 gets 10 free bags in the mail.
 
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