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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
I need to do this lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4
Ferrio said:
You should watch the Azz vs KawaiiRice on the Husky SC2 YouTube channel. Dude brings out a mothership minutes into the game and does amazing things with it.
Actually, here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/user/huskystarcraft?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/37/LjNIZHbDTjs
Crazy match.
Zen said:
I'm boring and like my 50 posts!
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Putting your units into the vortex isnt a bad move usually since then they dont get easily picked off without any support.mbmonk said:
mbmonk said:Interesting. It's very counter intuitive to put your units IN the vortex. Well I guess unless they change something I will definitely move my units away
No, the idea is that Vortex splits up forces, so that you only have to fight half of their army at a time. If your opponent moves ALL his forces into the vortex, then you have to fight the entire army at once again.
It's not the Vortex itself that does the damage.
ZealousD said:
I get it.
Moving your units into the vortex lets you fight with your army at full strength when it ends, but it also lets the enemy prep the combat environment to his advantage w/o any resistence. Now I had no idea that the enemy could do THAT. I was thinking about a simple storm or something to that affect. Basically that technique is a game over for people who drive into the vortex.
EDIT: I am sure they will strip the mothership of that ability just like they have all the others
mbmonk said:I get it.
Moving your units into the vortex lets you fight with your army at full strength when it ends, but it also lets the enemy prep the combat environment to his advantage w/o any resistence. Now I had no idea that the enemy could do THAT. I was thinking about a simple storm or something to that affect. Basically that technique is a game over for people who drive into the vortex.
EDIT: I am sure they will strip the mothership of that ability just like they have all the others
I still think you're giving Vortex too much weight. Sure, if your opponent drives all his forces into the vortex, you can position your units a bit better, but that's not near the advantage that splitting the enemy's forces in two is.
Think of Vortex being like stasis field in Starcraft 1. In fact, Stasis Field was stronger than Vortex, because the split is FORCED. In SC2, by driving all of your units into the vortex, you can nullify some of the damage.
btkadams said:
You might still have to update. I don't think they change the download client on every patch.
MisterAnderson
Member
Lame patch, no custom maps still
ZealousD said:
oh, no im talking about patch 11. i tried opening sc2 and it says it needs to dl a new patch, but doesnt actually let me dl it yet
MisterAnderson said:Lame patch, no custom maps still
semi sure thats the previous patch notes. notice the larvae bug. i remember when that larvae patch was released, it was still showing the previous old patch notes
ZealousD said:
Did you watch that youtube video?
Dude lost his entire army w/o a shot. If they fix that tactic/bug then driving in makes sense, but currently it does NOT. Unless you know of a way out of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Patch 10 was the larvae bug fix a week ago or soMisterAnderson said:Lame patch, no custom maps still
ZealousD said:
Major bug how?
That took a shit load of sentries, the amount of resources to do such a tactic would be pretty crazy. The video was set up to demonstrate a neat combo, but I'd be surprised if it's ever used in such a way it becomes abusive. Until someone can pull it off effectively and repeatably it's not overpowered.
MisterAnderson
Member
Yeah I think that at the very least Force Fields should be made un-castable too close to a vortex to make sure that cheap tactic doesn't happen.
ZealousD said:
That's a lot of gas. Not to mention what you would have to spend to tech up to that, as well as supporting army to keep the other player at bay while you build this up.
Even if cost isn't an issue, once players realize that it's a technique available they won't shove their whole army in the vortex on purpose.
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The Everyman
i was just thinking about it and itd be cool if brood war was remade exactly the same way in starcraft2 via the map editor. they have firebats and medics in single player so i assume that they have every old unit in there. maybe they could use it in korean sc leagues for better observer functionality, graphics and balancing that they control. the only thing that would be different is the pathing
ZealousD said:
8 sentries is pretty normal for a Protoss army that is late game enough for a Mothership, and they don't even require any additional tech or research. Them units be standard.
I'm guessing overlapping Psistorms would not only work, but would in fact be better for the job due its higher DPS than Collosi blasts.
I brought this up in the Bug Report forum in the battle.net forums, and somebody made a good point. It's not the force fields doing the killing, it's the colossi. All the units are in a very tight space with all the force fields, and since 4 collosi can 1 shot basically any of those units, the splash kills them all. I was confused on what was doing the killing.
So the unit composition on both sides has to be basically just right for that to work. Yeah, not really sure if its overpowered anymore.
I dont think psistorms stack.
So the unit composition on both sides has to be basically just right for that to work. Yeah, not really sure if its overpowered anymore.
Yaweee said:
I dont think psistorms stack.
Yaweee said:
And that's my point, it's late in the game. So either the game is already lopsided as hell cause the protoss has a huge army and mothership flying around so it doesn't really matter, or both players have so much going for them this wouldn't be that big of a deal.
ZealousD said:
i dont think anybody else thought it was the force field killling them...but the fact that they are so close to the vortex forces the units to all spawn in one spot, vulnerable to the colossi. its still pretty overpowered, all you need are colossi, sentries, and a mothership to wipe out an entire army, assuming of course they all jump in the vortex. of course this is probably a final battle situation, in which case the opponents army wont be small enough to simply be sucked into the vortex
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Thought I'd play some SC1 while the beta was down.
Wow... :lol Dunno how I'm gonna complete my re-play through of SC1 and Brood War before SC2 launches.
Wow... :lol Dunno how I'm gonna complete my re-play through of SC1 and Brood War before SC2 launches.
MisterAnderson
Member
Ferrio said:
Just because it's late in the game doesn't mean the game is lopsided. The fact that this strategy can potentially decimate an army of ANY size with 5-8 sentries, a few Collosi and a Mothership (the Sentries and Collosi being pretty standard fare in a Toss army) in basically ONE shot tells me that this should definitely be looked at. Sure this works in conjunction with a nuke as well, but that requires you have a Terran teammate and requires more coordination to make it work. It can't be used in 1v1 matches, which is really where balance is most important.
And I'm not quite sure why you keep claiming that 5-8 Sentries costs SO much gas and it's therefor warranted. Most games as Toss I almost always build at least 5-8 Sentries no problem.
Fact of the matter is, yes, it certainly could be a lopsided late game, but it could just as easily be lopsided against the Toss' favor and one well placed Vortex could easily win the game with this tactic, you know? I guess at the very least, it probably isn't a good idea to rush your entire army into a Vortex knowing that this strat exists, but still. It just doesn't seem like it's working as intended.
Pai Pai Master said:
/eagerly awaits someone to remake SC1 using the SC2 map editor.
ChronicleX
Banned
ZealousD said:
Pretty sure they do. In 1 of the battle reports blizz posted on the SCII site david kim does a tripple psi storm to win a battle (or it was the guy he was fighting, I forget but it had dave in it).
MisterAnderson said:
We can go back and forth about theory all we want on whether it's a bug or overpowered or what not. But until it's actually used in a game and is effective, there's no point in asking for it's removal. If it can be feasibly abused and is abused, then yes I'm right beside everyone and it should be taken out.