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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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Melhisedek
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Thx guys, any idea on how long the beta will last
simply 3 turrets around/in gathering line will hold off mutas quite well. place them so the middle one covers the other two, and the outer two almost touch each other, and you're golden. the only way you can break that with mutas is if you invest HEAVILY into them, and if you do that, well the terran's mmm ball will be wreaking havoc at your base
...mutas should never be a threat to a properly proportioned mmm ball anyways
...mutas should never be a threat to a properly proportioned mmm ball anyways
The Lamonster
Member
What is that proportion, anyway?mcrae said:
ryan-ts said:
Go to the Liquidpedia maybe?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Main_Page
I think it mostly covers Brood War. Best I can do. Sorry.
mbmonk said:Lol. It's hard to smile when some drops a nuke on your ass.
That will put almost anyone in a bad mood.
Yeah, but it felt great to watch his economy disappear with a big flash.
Kind of related, but is going for ghosts quickly against a Protoss player a good idea? I had planned to have a few for the EMP skill, before starting in on mid-high level units like tanks and thors.
ChronicleX
Banned
mbmonk said:
Without a clock a microwave would have no timer, a refrigerator that cannot dispense ice is a broken one.
D
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cramcakes said:
One of the loading messages says something along of the lines of "it takes 3 workers per patch of minerals or gas to max out efficiency".
ChronicleX
Banned
mbmonk said:
says the person trying to convince me and everyone else a timer is not a type of clock while also determined to contest the reality that it is possible to stick water into any type of refrigerator and have it come out as Ice.
Do not make me bring out more pictures.
Zefah said:
Not max efficiency. Max saturation. You technically get more minerals per second per mineral patch with 3 workers, but you get less per worker. With 2 workers per patch, workers are constantly mining and returning minerals. With 3 workers per patch, workers have downtime where they have to wait for a patch to open up. You'll see workers bouncing across minerals a lot, crossing the streams of workers.
Once you're at 2 workers per patch, it's more efficient to expand. 22 workers per normal expansion is the magic number. 6 on gas, 16 on minerals.
^^^ yep
Here is the article:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121686
3 is better than 2, but not 3 times better than one.
The fridge at my work has no freezer and thus, only makes cold water.
Here is the article:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121686
3 is better than 2, but not 3 times better than one.
ChronicleX said:
The fridge at my work has no freezer and thus, only makes cold water.
joelseph said:
To learn his early build just slow the game down all the way really study what he does.
Here is the link to his replays: http://www.sc2win.com/?s=whitera
After you study about 3 or 4 of them you will notice a general pattern.
Here is what I have written down so far when he played against a Terran.
9 pylon
10 chrono probes
12 gate -> send probe to scout.
15 Gas
15 Chrono probes
16 pylon
17 Cyber Core
17 Pulls 3 from mineral line into Gas ( I think he was getting reaper rushed )
He switches it up depending on the map and matchup. Zerg can't really 'wall in' so you can send your scouting probe later relative to if you are playing Terran who can wall in and thus shut out your scouting drone.
As for hotkeys they are just displayed on the bottom just like normal.
Here is what I have seen so far
#1 -> Most Important unit ( Early game this is your probe scout, later it might be your 2 void rays, or you main mass of forces )
#2 -> Second group of units if neeeded.
#6 -> Nexus
#0 -> First Unit producing building type ( Gateways always )
#9 -> Second Unit producing building ( could be his Robo or Star which ever is first )
Again just watch MUTLIPLE replays and pay attention that specific topic. How is he hot keying early? How is he hotkeyed during a battle. What does he NOT hot key ( that you would have and why could his way be better). Etc.
Hope that helps
cramcakes said:
Wrong article. That's for gas. The idea behind that article was that you technically get more gas per SCV with 2 vs 3, but the difference is essentially negligible. It's best to do 3 workers per gas.
mbmonk said:
Heh, never seen videos... but that's pretty much my default build even down to when i scout. Of course it sometimes changes around 17 mattering what races I'm playing, or what that probe finds out. Either put up the core, or another gateway (usually when against zerg).
maniac-kun
Member
whats up with this trolling juniors these days?
refigenerators that dispence ice are an american thing they dont exist in the rest of the world if you dont buy the top model
like the hightech toilets are a thing of japan
and iam using 3 workers per gas and about 25-30 for minderals per base
refigenerators that dispence ice are an american thing they dont exist in the rest of the world if you dont buy the top model
like the hightech toilets are a thing of japan
and iam using 3 workers per gas and about 25-30 for minderals per base
Here's a graph that explains the relationship between SCVs and minerals.
http://www.cyberneticpunks.com/starcraft-2-wings-liberty/6197-mineral-saturation-starcraft-ii.html
As you can see, going more than 16 mineral workers per base starts to have diminishing returns, even if you technically get more minerals per minute. You can still make more workers, but you really should be thinking about expanding after hitting 16.
http://www.cyberneticpunks.com/starcraft-2-wings-liberty/6197-mineral-saturation-starcraft-ii.html
As you can see, going more than 16 mineral workers per base starts to have diminishing returns, even if you technically get more minerals per minute. You can still make more workers, but you really should be thinking about expanding after hitting 16.
ZealousD said:
Here is a link to the results of McRae's test: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20951789&postcount=11793
And here is a link to my test results: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20951522&postcount=11785
ChronicleX
Banned
mcrae said:
Yes it is.
A timer is a specialized type of clock. A timer can be used to control the sequence of an event or process. Whereas a stopwatch counts upwards from zero for measuring elapsed time, a timer counts down from a specified time interval, like an hourglass. Timers can be mechanical, electromechanical, electronic (quartz), or even software as all modern computers include digital timers of one kind or another. When the set period expires some timers simply indicate so, while others operate electrical switches.
Also refrigerators (NOT fridges, there is a difference) sometimes contain freezers below them. Maybe not all but they still exist.
mcrae said:
ZealousD said:
Cheers for that info. I was never sure how many probes to stick on minerals per expansion, I just kept making them until my base got crowded :lol
Hey GAF check out my singleplayer campaign map that I crafted in 2-3 days. [download it and just drag&drop map onto SC2 desktop shortcut]
http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/call-ancestors-v0-1/
It is still work in progress, but at least its more than playable
http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/call-ancestors-v0-1/
It is still work in progress, but at least its more than playable
ChronicleX
Banned
cramcakes said:
I heard it is possible to pre-order it on Amazon.de to get a key instantly then cancel your pre-order (if you want in on the EU beta that is). You'll get a key free for no cost.
mcrae said:
I was watching a few videos on them, basically they can be easily Micro'd to be useless versus relatively small forces because of how long it takes them to keep up with opponents and attack. (the exception being Zealots and Zerglings).
EDIT: Re found one
http://www.youtube.com/psystarcraft#p/u/13/H1OkkjMck1s
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Hey guys, this is a SC2 thread, and we don't like stupid derails.
Slacker said:
I've seen a couple of motherships, usually by people who are new who think they're an end all unit and not support like they really are. I have yet to successfully use one. Usually by the time I could comfortably get one myself, the game is pretty much over. Also they're pretty much just a big costly bullseye. Not only do they go down super quick, they cloak all units so people are going to force fire on the damn thing anyways. Think they only reason I'd ever want to use one is the vortex, but since I've never gotton to use it not sure how well it works in game.
I guess if you kept th ething at max range, and really force fielded the battlefield like crazy, you could use it... but man what a headache.
thestopsign
Member
I think a patch is coming, which sucks because I got dced from a game I was in. I think I get the loss for that, but I'm not sure.
MisterAnderson
Member
Please god be an update that allows custom mappssssss