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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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thepotatoman
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Meanwhile it seems that Bio Terrans always get under Protoss skins. 3 years later and they're still upset that the supposed terran tier one units kill their tier one units so hard, not really realizing that a group of marine/marauder with concussive, stim, combat shields, and medivacs is far more up the tech tree than a group of marine/marauder with none of that. Of course you should have to go up to some area of effect tech if you want to keep up in tech.
But instead of that, they just pop off against any upgraded medivac bio push that happens to hit them before colossus or storm gets out.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9643712/Call_to_Action_May_2_Balance_Testing-5_2_2013
New call to action test map.
Spore crawlers now delete every muta on the map.
Burrow costs half as much.
Oracles as fast as mutas.
New call to action test map.
Spore crawlers now delete every muta on the map.
Burrow costs half as much.
Oracles as fast as mutas.
It won't Spore Crawlers already shut down small amounts of mutas it won't make a difference. You use them initially to shut down 3rds before spore crawlers can even be there. Plus it's not just mutas, you dump all the spare minerals into lings and if they go Hydra you can get Banelings.
Crimsonlink
Member
Wow 3 Spores now would shread right though 10+ Mutas in about 30 seconds.
Yes, I much rather enjoy killing mutas, watching muta ling all day is..well boring:
EscapingJail
Member
I wouldn't say a no gg and a "Your race is broken." Is someone going crazy, lol.
I gg like 99% of games, and when I don't it's because I simply forgot. I'd say about 80% of my games end with a gg or just them saying nothing.
Yeah, I guess some bm are worst than others but they all annoy me.
I always "gg" whatever happens but I never "glhf" in ranked games anymore.
Crimsonlink
Member
I always GL HF in my games. I also say GG WP most of the time except once or twice where I only say GG.
Watch my replays, they tell no lies.
Watch my replays, they tell no lies.
I like the minute updates with spore crawlers and burrowing, but I'm not at all digging buffing up the movement speed of Oracles. Blizzard's justifications for the changes makes me even more concerned because of how much sense none of it makes.
Crimsonlink
Member
They should lower the time it takes to build Static Defense by 5 or 10 seconds.
If the Oracle thing goes through then its going to be standard to go Ebay opening with 1 turret or a 1 rax + WM expand to be safe.
Blizzard underestimates how far behind or vulnerable to other all-ins blindly building turrets can make you, and now you'll need them even faster which means you'll be sacrificing more economy/production/units. Its already really hard to split marines up enough to defend mineral lines/tech, and Blizzard actually wants to make it easy for protoss to kill a few marines and get out of dodge before losing the oracle. I really think their sense of actual in-game timings are way off on this one. They're making the oracle a better gimmick unit, not making it more useful all game. Its already really easy for an oracle to reveal an army and escape if the protoss wants to. It'll still be impossible for the oracle to do damage past the midgame. All this does is make it better at dealing damage early.
If they want terran to go one-base starport every game they should just say so.
If they want terran to go one-base starport every game they should just say so.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
The idea is that you'll be able to take a 3rd before the mutas are out. I could see people going 1/1 lings to take map control while the other guy switches to mutas, shuts down mutazerg's pre-muta 3rd while taking a 3rd himself. Even 1 or 2 spores with a queen near by will probably be able to defend against 8+ mutas now.
I'll definitely give that style a shot. Hydra/roach/bane/infestor could be neat.
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The Everyman
Sorry, if already posted, but it's so funny.
lol, he didnt have the patience for half and half? awesome gif.
AdventureRacing
Member
These balance changes range from nonsenical (oracle and spores) to just plain weird (burrow half price). These are exactly the kinds of changes i hate them making.
Meanwhile boring and useless units like the corrupter remain untouched despite pretty much everyone hating it.
Here is a 56 minute ZvT that I lost on Neoplanet S... I feel like it was a total macro vs micro game. I had 7 bases at one point, one was good vs his 3, and I just couldn't put it away. I think it was mostly due to poor unit composition and lots of A-moving.
Can someone check this out and let me know what you think of my decision making was in regards to unit composition and positioning and stuff?
http://drop.sc/330147
Also got promoted back into Gold. So at least I know I belong in gold.
Can someone check this out and let me know what you think of my decision making was in regards to unit composition and positioning and stuff?
http://drop.sc/330147
Also got promoted back into Gold. So at least I know I belong in gold.
Here's just a list of recommendations from a former Zerg player:
- You waited way too long to get Centrifugal Hooks. Unless you're doing some very early Ling/Bane bust, you always want that speed whenever Banelings are a key part of your army.
- Try to practice spreading creep. You don't have to take over the map or anything crazy, but connecting all of your expansions through creep is an absolute must if you want to defend your bases as a macro-oriented Zerg.
- I would cut the Roaches out of your early Ling/Bane/Roach/Infestor composition. You'll never have enough gas on three bases to properly balance Baneling, Roach, and Infestor production to use them to their full effectiveness.
- I like the Ultralisk tech choice, but if I noticed he was turtling and blocking off his natural to that extreme I would've maybe tried breaking up half of your army and Nydus Worming his main while hitting his 3rd/4th with the other half.
- I don't understand the choice to research +1/+2/+3 Missile Attacks when you were going for Ultra/Ling late game. Roaches were never the biggest part of your army either. There was a point where the Terran had +3 Infantry Weapons / +3 Infantry Armor / +3 Vehicle Weapons when you were still upgrading +2 Melee Attacks, which played a big part in him holding you off when your supply counts were still even.
- It's ok to sacrifice an expansion if you don't have the army to defend it. Don't just send units to their deaths if you know you're outnumbered unless he's destroying your tech or your only mining base.
Hope that helps.
I liked that you tried to focus on hitting his expansions first and foremost. Keep that up! Also: spread creep, spread creep, spread creep!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
So if the spore crawler will get buffed and we see less mutas on the field, are we gonna see more swarm hosts get into play? Hydras, perhaps? Or are we gonna go back to infestors?
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Even more mutas
Swarmhost wars is my prediction. God help us.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Speaking of swarm hosts... what did they change from the beta? I remember that terran and protoss got absolutely demolished by them (not even tanks could harm them). Now they're kinda meh. I know they removed their ability of shooting up, but what else?
Heh, could you imagine a TvT style stalemate in ZvZ?
They're still extremely good vs protoss. I've got no idea if they'll ever be used extensively in pro games, but they're borderline overpowered in masters level ZvP.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
The issue I have when I'm using swarm hosts against toss is the fact that I'm usually dead before I get to that point. I go ling/roach till 3-4 base, then build my infestation pit and start stacking up minerals (200/100 is fucking expensive for a swarm host imo).
Protoss usually attacks me during the time I'm starting to get hosts and I just... kinda die - or they manage to kill off one or two expos
.The issue I have when I'm using swarm hosts against toss is the fact that I'm usually dead before I get to that point. I go ling/roach till 3-4 base, then build my infestation pit and start stacking up minerals (200/100 is fucking expensive for a swarm host imo).
Protoss usually attacks me during the time I'm starting to get hosts and I just... kinda die - or they manage to kill off one or two expos
It's really easy to safely tech to SH against stargate openings. You're already fast teching to lair at 7:30ish to get 8-10 hydras, and P is almost forced to take a 3rd after that opening. There's plenty of time to get SHs out, upgraded, and tech to hive before any dangerous colossus push happens. If you can start your hive by 12:30, vipers will be out and charged before the typical 3base 3-4 colossus push occurs. Hydra/SH/viper absolutely crushes colossus armies before templar are out.
They're also pretty good against sentry immortal all-ins, and you can pretty easily get a contain outside Ps nat when they do Naniwa's 1gate expand, which is always fun.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Yeah I was also disappointed when I found out that Newegg doesn't ship to Europe
Not for MKP keyboard though.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
That's very odd... Try playing a game against someone, maybe your mmr is plat-dia.
EscapingJail
Member
link your bnet account please.
Here you go: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1846029/1/Akai/
Edit: The Silver ranking is from WoL, not HotS.
EscapingJail
Member
last Hots season you were also bronze?
Edit: thats what it looks like, just so you know the game carries MMR over into the next season.
Also it looks like you hit the "Leave League" button at some point. Because you lost your first game this season then won the next 6 but your league w/l says 5-0.
Either way something looks odd, because you're only supposed to play 1 placement if you played the previous season.