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[AdventureRacing]

i find it strange how gamers *never* give companies the benefit of the doubt

What do you even mean by this? What benefit of the doubt should we be giving them? They have had ample time to avoid this problem. Their press release does nothing to make me think of them any differently. Either it was a complete lack of foresight and planning on their behalf or they are genuinely trying to hurt the DOTA2 tournament in which case they have lost the plot.

The end result is that yet again the SC2 scene gets fucked over.

The value Valve has added to DOTA 2 and it's tournaments and direct financial support and promotion and prize money for teams completely eclipses Blizzard's shitty and thrown together WCS.

Spectator is stupidly amazing, all eSports stuff is right in the client, purchases for teams are visible and support them, you get fucking player cards as loot drops, this thing: http://www.dota2.com/international/compendium/

International 2:

...and International 3 has 2.6M+ as a prizepool (vs. 1.6M) with an obvious focus on eSports.

No question about it. I might even give the MOBA genre another chance at this point, it would be nice to follow a game where the dev actually tries to make the game a success.

 

[Pandaman]

The value Valve has added to DOTA 2 and it's tournaments and direct financial support and promotion and prize money for teams completely eclipses Blizzard's shitty and thrown together WCS.

and they never have to worry about two events happening at the same time either!

 

[Aaron]

I'm curious. Has Riot scheduled any LOL events during the International?

 

[ksan]

I'm curious. Has Riot scheduled any LOL events during the International?

Nope, gotta give them credit for that, they actually rescheduled that week.

 

[Corran Horn]

Who are you, then?

 

[SamuraiX-]

• Revival
• Jaedong
• aLive
• HerO

This is seriously the best they could pull from the WCS rankings for IEM Shanghai?

All of these guys are in WCS America. What a fucking joke.

 

[AdventureRacing]

• Revival
• Jaedong
• aLive
• HerO

This is seriously the best they could pull from the WCS rankings for IEM Shanghai?

All of these guys are in WCS America. What a fucking joke.

Doesn't really bother me. They're 4 decent Koreans and i care more about the foreigner line-up anyway. You can pick any decently high ranked Korean and get good matches but if the foreigner line-up is poor the tournament usually suffers.

 

[Boken]

What do you even mean by this? What benefit of the doubt should we be giving them? They have had ample time to avoid this problem. Their press release does nothing to make me think of them any differently. Either it was a complete lack of foresight and planning on their behalf or they are genuinely trying to hurt the DOTA2 tournament in which case they have lost the plot.

The end result is that yet again the SC2 scene gets fucked over.

To me, malicious intent is worse than stupidity. I'm giving blizzard the benefit of the doubt that they just fucked up instead of assuming that they did this purely to mess with Dota.

Who are you, then?

A moba superstar

 

[AdventureRacing]

To me, malicious intent is worse than stupidity. I'm giving blizzard the benefit of the doubt that they just fucked up instead of assuming that they did this purely to mess with Dota.

As an SC2 fan the end result is the same for me and that is the SC2 scene constantly being held back by blizzards stupid moves.

 

[a3den]

As an SC2 fan the end result is the same for me and that is the SC2 scene constantly being held back by blizzards stupid moves.

It's bad but you gotta realize their hands are tied to their regional partners, NASL has World of Tanks imperatives as well as delays for the chinese players visas, South Korea is a mess and ESL probably wants the EU finals at Gamescom for the crowd and exposure.

 

[Hazaro]

To me, malicious intent is worse than stupidity. I'm giving blizzard the benefit of the doubt that they just fucked up instead of assuming that they did this purely to mess with Dota.

Mess with Dota?
TI3 is 50000% bigger and better than any shitty 'regional' finals. Full on unpreparedness.

 

[Pandaman]

Dota isn't even worth messing with, it barely even exists outside of the charity tournaments valve runs. Maybe if dota ever becomes a real esport it'd be worth messing with, but until then i doubt any real esports even considers them when it comes to planning events.

 

[ksan]

Dota isn't even worth messing with, it barely even exists outside of the charity tournaments valve runs. Maybe if dota ever becomes a real esport it'd be worth messing with, but until then i doubt any real esports even considers them when it comes to planning events.

What do you know about esports? You play SC2 and LoL...

Did you pick up CoD already as well?

Spoiler

:*

 

[Pandaman]

What do you know about esports? You play SC2 and LoL...

Did you pick up CoD already as well?

hey! i play fighting games too.

so that means i play the biggest esport, the best esports and starcraft.

If i wanted to play some niche esport supported only by it's dev, i'd go back to tribes.

 

[ksan]

hey! i play fighting games too.

so that means i play the biggest esport, the best esports and starcraft.

oh, didn't know you played dota

If i wanted to play some niche esport supported only by it's dev, i'd go back to tribes.

So you stopped playing LoL?

 

[Pandaman]

oh, didn't know you played dota

So you stopped playing LoL?

majour offline dota tournaments in north america:
The international 2.
upcoming:
the international 3.

#deadgame.

 

[ksan]

majour offline dota tournaments in north america:
The international 2.
upcoming:
the international 3.

#deadgame.

You're saying that as if NA is actually relevant in any game (or maybe they are in CoD?)

major offline tournaments (in all games) being broadcasted on national television in the greatest esport country in the world:
TI3

Spoiler

(and maybe dh finals in sc2 every now and then)

 

[Boken]

salt of the ocean going on in here

how many players does dota2 have in comparison to lol?

major offline tournaments (in all games) being broadcasted on national television in the greatest esport country in the world:
TI3

Spoiler

(and maybe dh finals in sc2 every now and then)

thats uniformed
STV has lol as well, and TV6 will probably broadcast lol world finals

 

[Pandaman]

You're saying that as if NA is actually relevant in any game (or maybe they are in CoD?)

major offline tournaments (in all games) being broadcasted on national television in the greatest esport country in the world:
TI3

Spoiler

(and maybe dh finals in sc2 every now and then)

NA is uncle moneybags. They don't need to be good, they just need to pay.

 

[ksan]

salt of the ocean going on in here

i thought if anyone, you would be able to detect the incredible seriousness of the discussion here, but if you don't stay out of it

how many players does dota2 have in comparison to lol?

viewers are the important part, i havent seen any lol tourney with 5 million viewers

thats uniformed
STV has lol as well, and TV6 will probably broadcast lol world finals

sorry, but communist channels don't really count and i havent seen lol on tv6 yet

NA is uncle moneybags. They don't need to be good, they just need to pay.

Then you should just be able to take after the koreans to become good, bribe refs and sheeet.

 

[Boken]

i thought if anyone, you would be able to detect the incredible seriousness of the discussion here, but if you don't stay out of it

viewers are the important part, i havent seen any lol tourney with 5 million viewers



sorry, but communist channels don't really count and i havent seen lol on tv6 yet


Then you should just be able to take after the koreans to become good, bribe refs and sheeet.

1. im allergic to salt. but i thought the ocean part wouldve made it obvious
2.

248 millon viewers. thats nearly a quarter the population of the world
3. scotland isnt communist, its a monarchy
4. wow, cheating isnt allowed

 

[ksan]

1. im allergic to salt. but i thought the ocean part wouldve made it obvious
2. http://i.imgur.com/HzA4Uo0.png[IMG] 248 millon viewers. thats nearly a quarter the population of the world
3. scotland isnt communist, its a monarchy
4. wow, cheating isnt allowed[/QUOTE]

1 to 4. #getgood

 

[Pandaman]

4. wow, cheating isnt allowed

didnt lol have a finals where the teams agreed to share the prize pool and played an aram?

 

[EscapingJail]

number 2 is total all-time views not total unique views.
I sure as didn't have a quarter mill people watching me play sc2 here http://www.twitch.tv/escapingjail

 

[Wunder]

holy god you guys are dumb

 

[zargle]

number 2 is total all-time views not total unique views.
I sure as didn't have a quarter mill people watching me play sc2 here http://www.twitch.tv/escapingjail

It's also not a quarter of the world's population, but details, details.

For some reason I have recently found myself watching/listening to streams in German, mostly Take. I find it soothing. I do not speak or understand German, mind you.

 

[Wunder]

It's also not a quarter of the world's population, but details, details.

For some reason I have recently found myself watching/listening to streams in German, mostly Take. I find it soothing. I do not speak or understand German, mind you.

I used to do that when Khaldor still casted in German occasionally, quite comforting and pretty hype.

 

[Yoshichan]

200 mil, a quarter of this planet? Haha

 

[StayDead]

• Revival
• Jaedong
• aLive
• HerO

This is seriously the best they could pull from the WCS rankings for IEM Shanghai?

All of these guys are in WCS America. What a fucking joke.

The other players especially the Korean ones are probably busy either practicing for the proleague finals or other things, not everyone can travel at any time.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Jesus, what happened in here?

Looks like NesTea is gonna be participating in the Red Bull Training Grounds 2 this weekend:

Which actually makes the list of competitors and potential matches very appealing!

The TvZs and ZvZs are gonna be legit.

 

[Corran Horn]

Jesus, what happened in here?

We are all taking out grounds.



Im for pro Warcraft 3 returining as the Esport game

 

[fanboi]

200 mil, a quarter of this planet? Haha

And no one beside you and me has noticed... are we missing something or are Swedes in general better educated?

 

[Holden]

And no one beside you and me has noticed... are we missing something or are Swedes in general better educated?

cause he's obviously trolling...?

and both of you... and now me just fed the troll....

 

[fanboi]

cause he's obviously trolling...?

and both of you... and now me just fed the troll....

God damnit Holden... I didn't think you where this easy...

 

[Pandaman]

what worries me is how 243 million has rounded down to 200 million.

no wonder you swedes float so many resources.

 

[Holden]

God damnit Holden... I didn't think you where this easy...

goddammit, i fucking hate you

 

[Wunder]

I HATE ALL OF YOU

Spoiler

except samurai

 

[SamuraiX-]

<3

:3

 

[Pandaman]

I HATE ALL OF YOU

Spoiler

except samurai

Hey now, i actually played an entire game of starcraft like two days ago. that puts me ahead of all these other guys!

 

[Corran Horn]

Time to edit the OP to just be pictures of zerglings.

 

[Wunder]

Hey now, i actually played an entire game of starcraft like two days ago. that puts me ahead of all these other guys!

I don't think I've played a 1v1 Starcraft match in weeks. I've launched SC2 and played customs tho! I only ever see EJ in the GAF channel, ladderin' away

 

[SamuraiX-]

IEM Shanghai kicks off in 3 hours!

OT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633576

 

[Yoshichan]

what worries me is how 243 million has rounded down to 200 million.

no wonder you swedes float so many resources.

You have no idea man!

 

[AppleSmack]

IEM Shanghai kicks off in 3 hours!

OT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633576

Thanks for the tip and great OP.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Some weird, pessimistic tweets coming from Jaedong and JYP today...

Wonder what's going on.

Guessing it must be EG-TL related. Disbanded or removed from Proleague altogether??

 

[Yoshichan]

Oh my God, wtf is going on

 

[Aaron]

Jaedong can't be in too bad a situation since I'm sure Team 8 will take him back now that they have a sponsor.

 

[Wunder]

D:

 

[peakish]

Very late to the party, but I've warmed my new PC up with finally playing through the WoL campaign. That sure was some heavy cheesecake, sooo bad at times. Christ, there's even prophesies and shit. Starting out the HotS campaign, it's a bit better so far since there's no nerdy scientist or unfunny news reporter in sight, missions are much better as well.

I'll delve into multiplayer more later on, guess there's not many newbs to play against in this thread though. FWIW, I'm toppform#2960 on EU if anyone wants to wreck me.

 

[Yoshichan]

guess there's not many newbs to play against in this thread though. FWIW, I'm toppform#2960 on EU if anyone wants to wreck me.

Oh there are plenty of "newb" players. SC2GAF ranges from bronze till high masters (soon to be GM!).

I'm toppform#2960 on EU if anyone wants to wreck me.

on EU if anyone wants to wreck me.

EU if anyone

EU

Shit just got real, watch NA-SC2-GAF attack you and then go "See, told you EU is worse than NA!".

LONG LIVE EU, THE SUPERIOR, DOMINATING REGION.