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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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They replace them with protoss being able to warp in rocks instead. Every expansion needs new rock tech.
and widow mines.
meh, i don't really care about other races (as long it is somewhat balanced)
it's just forcefield make the whole protoss race weak without it. I hate to just rely on such a gimmicky mechanic
I DONT KNOW THE HOTS META AT ALL.
early game: use defensivly to either hold your ramps from early units cause any unit can just kite the units so easily, or just vs protoss you just die to a 4gate
mid/late: the whole mechanic just makes forces the balance the units to be weak as fuck.
Just imagine a teamfight where forcefields didn't exist? Protoss would just get destroyed.
Protoss would need some sort of early unit to defend vs roaches. Dragoons?!?
And a later tech unit that can help the mid game army vs army. Reavers?!?
One can dream....
demosthenes
Member
I'm hoping that they transition SC2 to F2P with LotV. Either that or make vanilla + HotS F2P at least.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Blizzcon thread is up
GET HYPE! (separate threads for tournaments)!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=922186
GET HYPE! (separate threads for tournaments)!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=922186
Pollux
Member
Ok, first of all I'm terrible and never have really played SC2 beyond some dabbling here and there.
Now, on to the question re: build orders and play styles as a Terran.
I was messing around against the AI and I was wondering if it's possible to do a build order that's almost entirely made out of Thors?
I can see the biggest weakness being that it takes so damn long to upgrade to the point where you can consistently build them, and against someone like the Zerg (the AI was the Zerg in the match I just played) unless you have a handful of marines or hellions around you can get wiped before you build your first Thor.
But, basically, my question is, is focussing on building Thors or Siege Tanks as the primary military unit a viable strategy?
Now, on to the question re: build orders and play styles as a Terran.
I was messing around against the AI and I was wondering if it's possible to do a build order that's almost entirely made out of Thors?
I can see the biggest weakness being that it takes so damn long to upgrade to the point where you can consistently build them, and against someone like the Zerg (the AI was the Zerg in the match I just played) unless you have a handful of marines or hellions around you can get wiped before you build your first Thor.
But, basically, my question is, is focussing on building Thors or Siege Tanks as the primary military unit a viable strategy?
Marine + tank builds can still work. Tanks on their own get rekt. Thors are usually added in small numbers later in the game to add some beef and/or anti air to an army, but it's not a good idea to make them your primary unit. They're very slow, expensive and you're likely to get crushed before being able to mass them up anyway.
Also is there a thread for the SC2 global final? Ro16 starts in two days!
Also is there a thread for the SC2 global final? Ro16 starts in two days!
demosthenes
Member
What?!?!?
I thought it was all on the 7th/8th. I'm going to have a lot more free time than I thought in LA!
Yeah they made room for a lot of those exhibition matches (presumably LotV showmatches) by moving the Ro16 to this weekend instead.
demosthenes
Member
....What the hell, when did this happen? 7 matches for a plane ticket to LA....hmmmmmmmm.
Pollux
Member
Ok, thanks. Just wanted to see if it was a viable strategy before spending too much time on working it out.
unknownstranger
Member
Or be Parting and defend against 20 Roaches with a few Stalkers, 2 Immortals and a Warp Prism.
Yeah sure I'll watch it
Pollux
Member
Ok, I'm an idiot -- How do I get these replay files uploaded to youtube
Probably a leader of one of the Dark Templar factions (the Protoss campaign will have multiple Protoss factions, no?).
I wonder if she'll be like Razagal (sp?) redux...
Unfortunately i can see Blizzard making a character who is supposed to be like Fenix but will likely screw it up in two ways: 1) the character will just suck and 2), there's no replacing Fenix, and no copies are appreciated. IMO.
Pollux
Member
Yep works fine. First big point is for most terran builds you're gonna want to halt SCV production at around 15-16 supply to turn your command center into an orbital command for MULE and scan abilities, then restart SCV production after that's done. When expanding you'll want to turn your natural base into an orbital as well, as soon as possible. Also try to get into the habit of scouting your opponent and thinking about what sort of build they are going for. As terran I like to get an early gas so I can make a reaper to scout early and maybe pick off a few workers. When you expand it's a good idea to send workers from your main to your natural so they can be more efficient. 16/24 is good to shoot for and you were up to 34/24 at one point in your main which means a lot of SCVs were wasted.
Aside from those things it's not bad for a beginning player. Now work on teching up to stuff like factory, starport and upgrades. Learn to counter your opponent and always think about what you could be spending your resources on because you had a lot saved up, and that's not a good thing in the early-mid game.
Downloading. We can watch replays together btw, might be a lil easier than doing it like this.
Pollux
Member
Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm guessing the "think what build they're going for" is something that will just come with experience?
The second replay, well, I ended up getting my ass kicked and I don't know what I did wrong lol
Yeah a lot of it is just experience. I just watched the second replay and yeah it came down to lack of scouting and lack of any tech. Pure marine will get rolled over really easily. If you'd seen the banelings and roach/hydra coming and had better units ready to defend it would've gone better.
Pollux
Member
What should I have done there? Hellion/Marine combo?
Also, that was maybe my 4th game all time - so I think I did...eh. Should I experiment with other races or should I just stick with Terran?
You can stay bio - but tech up to stim, combat shields, marauders and medivacs. Even something as small as a widow mine on your ramp can help a ton in defense. And yeah don't get me wrong you're doing good for how little you've played lol. It's good to know how the other races play so you'll know what to look for when scouting. Also just sent you a message in-game.
haahhaahhahaha
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
I played a bot game and won. bonjwa
Update on Korea next year:
I really like the changes. More tournaments in Korea is a good thing, and should spread out the money and WCS points better. GSL prize pool is down but with there being double the number of events it actually works out to about the same overall prize pool in Korea as in 2014, just with more chances to get a piece of it.
I really like the changes. More tournaments in Korea is a good thing, and should spread out the money and WCS points better. GSL prize pool is down but with there being double the number of events it actually works out to about the same overall prize pool in Korea as in 2014, just with more chances to get a piece of it.
AdventureRacing
Member
It works out about 40K won higher than last year which is good to see. I think it will be good to see the more opportunities for players to get WCS points/prize money as well instead of only having a handful of chances. More importantly though hopefully it leads to more exposure for the game in Korea which should be good for sponsorships.
The proleague season is also being extended. Can't help but think there must be slightly more interest in the game for these things to be happening. Good signs really, hopefully LOTV gives it a much needed shot in the arm as well.
COLLECTOR'S HERE I COME
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Proleague is also moving to Mondays and Tuesdays instead of weekends to allow more Kespa players to attend foreign tournaments during the season. Really good stuff.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/470305-kespa-makes-proleague-and-kespa-cup-announcements
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/470305-kespa-makes-proleague-and-kespa-cup-announcements
Crimsonlink
Member
LOTV Hype is rising. Get rid of colossus for Reaver or something better and I will be very happy. Change Swarm Hosts while they are at it too.
Blizzard announces full 2015 WCS structure: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2015-starcraft-ii-world-championship-series
Haven't read through it all yet, will edit with main points.
-WCS AM, EU and other eligible regions are merging into one unified WCS premier league (does not include Korea)
-For Korea there will be GSL and SpoTV individual leagues, both will count towards WCS
-Players can participate in both GSL and SpoTV leagues at the same time
-Both Korean leagues will be open to all players (no residency requirement)
-Same overall prize pool as 2014 ($1.6 mil)
-For premier league the Ro32 onwards will be live games in the ESL studios (4 groups at ESL EU, 4 groups at ESL AM)
-WCS qualifiers and challenger leagues will take place in 6 different regions to make up the 32 players in premier league
-To participate players must be residents of a country within one of the 6 regions
Here's the breakdown of the players per region for premier league:
Haven't read through it all yet, will edit with main points.
-WCS AM, EU and other eligible regions are merging into one unified WCS premier league (does not include Korea)
-For Korea there will be GSL and SpoTV individual leagues, both will count towards WCS
-Players can participate in both GSL and SpoTV leagues at the same time
-Both Korean leagues will be open to all players (no residency requirement)
-Same overall prize pool as 2014 ($1.6 mil)
-For premier league the Ro32 onwards will be live games in the ESL studios (4 groups at ESL EU, 4 groups at ESL AM)
-WCS qualifiers and challenger leagues will take place in 6 different regions to make up the 32 players in premier league
-To participate players must be residents of a country within one of the 6 regions
Here's the breakdown of the players per region for premier league:
AdventureRacing
Member
Not sure what to make of this. 32 players really isn't enough spots to cover all of those regions so i'm kind of wondering how this is going to work. Even with the new residency rules there will be less opportunities now for foreign players (and there will still be quite a few spots being taken up by Koreans).
I won't judge it yet but on the surface i can't say i'm a huge fan. Wondering what they will do with challenger league as well.
I won't judge it yet but on the surface i can't say i'm a huge fan. Wondering what they will do with challenger league as well.
demosthenes
Member
Do we know which Koreans have actual:
Examples of acceptable identification
Professional athlete visa
Work visa
Student visa
?
Violet in NA, Polt in NA?
Examples of acceptable identification
Professional athlete visa
Work visa
Student visa
?
Violet in NA, Polt in NA?
AdventureRacing
Member
Honestly not sure. I think they're the only ones in NA. In Europe i think there might be quite a few with proper visas but i'm not totally sure. Even if there were 0 Koreans 32 players doesn't seem like much so any above and beyond that really brings the number down.