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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike

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Lethe82

Banned
Community Feedback Update - June 19 - LOTV

As we mentioned before, we’d like to provide our thoughts on areas that we’ve looked into this week based on community suggestions. Before we get into the details, we’d like to point out while we try our best to hit majority of the big topics, it’ll be impossible to cover every single topic every time. The goal here is to discuss big issues with you guys, and continue doing so over time. With this first post, we’re covering a few more topics than we might typically cover in a normal update. However, we think this is a good way to kick off these updates.

We’d like to also make it as clear as possible that game design is not about implementing every idea that the majority thinks is correct, it’s about finding the key ideas that will be best for the game. So we’ll do our best to keep an open mind on topics and even if we’re currently thinking that we won’t try something out, we’ll keep it as part of our regular discussions if those issues keep being brought up by the community. Please also try your best to do this as well, and remember it’s not about how many people say something, and it’s not about bandwagoning onto the loudest idea. It’s about trying to look at issues from every angle possible to make sure it is in fact what’s best for our game. Just as an example, internally in design meetings we try our best to detach ourselves from every idea. Even if I’ve suggested something, I try my best to analyze how it might be bad. This way, I can focus on the specific idea and if it’s the correct move for the game, rather than pushing for the idea just because I thought of something I think is awesome.


Here are our thoughts on many of the bigger community discussions this past week:


Flying unit separation radius
  • This requires a code fix, and we’re currently exploring and testing something that we can add to the beta soon.
    [8*We agree that when you are controlling larger numbers of air units, it’s difficult to do the moving shot micro.

Making all damage points to zero for air units
  • One of the reasons we don’t have a default damage point of zero is so that the timing of micro has to be mastered by players. Just making it zero will mean microing is just much easier, which is probably not the direction we want to go.
  • We generally don’t make extreme changes that alter so many things at once, due to the side effects these changes can cause. Changing every single air unit’s damage point is not something we’d like to explore, but we’d be open to specific air unit damage point changes if the change makes sense.
  • With a damage point of zero, a unit that is facing its target can immediately move away after being issued the attack order. With the default damage point, the player must instead time their movement to happen after the attack is performed. An example of where this is pushed even further is the Hellion, which has a higher than normal damage point. The unique timing required for this unit requires additional mastery, which makes it more impressive when pros are able to be so effective with them. Since the suggested goal of the change is to have more interesting micro, in this specific case, we wonder if what we currently have is more interesting micro than the proposed changes.

Siege Tank /Immortal turret tracking
  • This sounds like a very minor change that probably won’t have a huge impact. However, because many players believe this will be of great help, so we’ll test it fairly quickly internally, then put the change in also in the beta. So you can expect this change to go into the beta soon.

Community resourcing model suggestion

  • We also watched show matches, tried games ourselves, and we agree with the majority of you guys that it’s too similar to Heart of the Swarm. But we wanted to comment again on this because it’s still a topic discussed by some.
  • Just to reiterate once more, we’re not looking to make minor tweaks in this area. We’re looking for a big change that will make sure that players will spread out their expansions at a much faster rate than they do in Heart of the Swarm.
  • Currently, the resourcing model that we’re testing in the beta is doing a very good job of this.



Ranked play in the beta
  • We hear your feedback and agree that it’ll be good to enable ranked play.
  • We may not be able to do this right away as we’ll need to introduce this with a client patch and can’t use the same method we use for the balance update which is done through publishing.
  • Due to the feedback we’ve seen on this topic, we’ve currently scheduled to enable ranked play in the beta with the next client patch.



Disruptor being too all-or-nothing
  • We agree with you guys here. The optimal case looks too strong, and when you miss with a hit it seems like the Disruptor is killed too easily at such a high cost investment.
    We’ve been trying various things in this area for a while now, but this is where we’re at right now:
Much lower radius (this is the biggest change + Disruptors look too underpowered right now in our testing)​
Lower cost​
Faster speed when activated​
Less delay before firing​

  • Overall, it looks like we have a decent solve for the case of a single hit ending games often.
  • We believe the next step in this area is to test out changes that would allow players to more easily save and reuse the Disruptors. This way, we can solve the issue where a miss creates a high chance of the game being over.


We’d also like to comment on some topics that we found interesting this week. Again, please keep in mind just because we don’t mention something here, it doesn’t mean we haven’t read it. While it’s impossible to read every single post that comes up every day, we do try our best and can tell you that we read a big majority of the things you guys bring up.

Adept micro tips video was very cool.
  • It was a very good example of relaying more info on something new, so that players in the beta can better test new units.
  • It would definitely be more cool to see more tips on new units videos, because we believe faster we have the majority of beta testers ramped up with new units, the more high quality beta testing we will have going forward.


There was a post asking if players want battles to last much longer. Our thoughts are that the current pace feels really good, and we were happy to see that most players didn’t want battles to last longer in StarCraft II.
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demosthenes

Member
I should have asked a while back. Anyone going to be in Toronto this weekend?

I'm driving up from Buffalo, NY. Plan to be there early Friday morning and stay until late Sunday. Have an Airbnb, staying with a friend and girlfriend, sorry we're full!

SO HYPED.

Also, it's in the north building not south building like the tickets say.

SO HYPED.
 
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demosthenes

Member
WCS Season 2 Finals in Toronto
Event Schedule
Day 1 - June 26th // Stage A // Stage B

11:00AM - 12:00PM // Start of event - Stream Countdown // Start of event - Stream Countdown
12:00PM - 1:00PM // Group A Match 1 (Bo3) // Group A Match 2 (Bo3)

1:00PM - 2:00PM // Group A Losers Match (Bo3) // Group B Match 1 (Bo3)

2:00PM - 3:00PM // Group B Match 2 (Bo3) // Group C Match 1 (Bo3)

3:00PM - 4:00PM // Group B Losers Match (Bo3) // Group D Match 1 (Bo3)

4:00PM - 5:00PM // Group C Match 2 (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

5:00PM - 6:00PM // Group C Losers Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

6:00PM - 7:00PM // Group D Match 2 (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

7:00PM - 8:00PM // Group D Losers Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

8:00PM - 9:00PM // Day’s end roll // RedBull Archon Tournament

9:00PM - 9:30PM // --- // RedBull Archon Tournament


Day 2 - June 27th // Stage A // Stage B

11:00AM - 12:00PM // Start of event - Stream Countdown // Start of event - Stream Countdown
12:00PM - 1:00PM // Group A Winners Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

1:00PM - 2:00PM // Group A Decider Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

2:00PM - 3:00PM // Group B Winners Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

3:00PM - 4:00PM // Group B Decider Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

4:00PM - 5:00PM // Group C Winners Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

5:00PM - 6:00PM // Group C Decider Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

6:00PM - 7:00PM // Group D Winners Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

7:00PM - 8:00PM // Group D Decider Match (Bo3) // RedBull Archon Tournament

8:00PM - 9:00PM // Day’s end roll // RedBull Archon Tournament

9:00PM - 9:30PM // --- // RedBull Archon Tournament


Day 3 - June 28th // Stage A // Stage B

10:00AM - 11:30PM // Quarter Final Match 1 (Bo5) // Quarter Final Match 2 (Bo5)

11:30AM - 1:00PM // Quarter Final Match 3 (Bo5) // Quarter Final Match 4 (Bo5)

1:00PM - 2:30PM // Semi Finals Match 1 (Bo5) // Semi Finals Match 1 (Bo5)

2:30PM - 4:00PM // Semi Finals Match 2 (Bo5) // Semi Finals Match 2 (Bo5)

4:00PM - 5:30PM // RedBull Archon Finals // RedBull Archon Finals

5:30PM - 6:00PM // Grand Finals Break Segment // Grand Finals Break Segment

6:00PM - 8:00PM // Grand Finals (Bo7) // Grand Finals (Bo7)

8:00PM - 8:30PM // Closing Ceremonies // Closing Ceremonies
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For those interseted.
 
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kasane

Member
demosthenes said:
I should have asked a while back. Anyone going to be in Toronto this weekend?

I'm driving up from Buffalo, NY. Plan to be there early Friday morning and stay until late Sunday. Have an Airbnb, staying with a friend and girlfriend, sorry we're full!

SO HYPED.

Also, it's in the north building not south building like the tickets say.

SO HYPED.
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COULDNT GET TICKETS IM MAD SALTY
 
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kasane

Member
demosthenes said:
Can you find one online anywhere? Are you from Toronto? I can see if anyone is selling them day of at the arena and buy one for you if you want to come for Sat/Sun.
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nah couldnt get a ticket going into toronto. I was with IEM toronto :p

guess you dont remember me since we really didnt meet up!
 
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Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
unknownstranger said:
GSL finals in a few hours. Please don't let me be the only one commenting tonight.
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This is not a good night for me to stay up late...
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oh yeah, so esports its macroblocking the stream

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unknownstranger

Member
That was basically a double choke. Rain was probably gonna win with that early push until he lost his Warp Prism. Then Byul had a massive lead until he fucked up his rally. Also pretty bad by him never having more than 2 Vipers at once.

That was basically over when Byul scouted it.
 
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Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
I've watched more League of Legends than SC II this year, it is truly dead.
Maybe Blizzard can atone and sell the brand to Valve.
 
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Won

Member
demosthenes said:
Why the hell did they split the quarter finals to 2 stages. Literally NOBODY is watching lilbow vs marinelord. Such a terrible decision.
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They want to get this done before midnight in Europe. No idea why they didn't just pushed through the Ro16 on friday instead.
 
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