you can maybe make a separate one for off-topic.
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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike
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you can maybe make a separate one for off-topic.
vicissitudes
Banned
That MLG lineup looks incredible. All the best Protoss and Terran players in the world I can think of are there. Most of the best Zerg players minus a couple.
FieryBalrog
Member
fuck teal
MLG is about to start. Post it!
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I expect Legacy of the Void to strongly feature the Nerazim culture as that has been the driving force behind most of the new units and technology the Protoss have developed. It just makes sense given their relationship and scripture which dictates they take their power from the Void in opposition to the Khala.
Black would be the best color for that. Or maybe something else that goes well with dark colors like red.
Black would be the best color for that. Or maybe something else that goes well with dark colors like red.
Your opponents are not timing and doing everything perfectly, or they would be much higher ranked.
But I am not at a level where I should be dispensing advice. There are better sources for that, like TeamLiquid and their Liquipedia. Some of it might not be fully updated for HotS, but transitioning to HotS should not be a huge difference once you learn some of the standard builds.
Or, here on GAF, ask EscapingJail or other high ranked players. But don't just ask hypothetical questions. Provide replays. Ask specific questions. Different situations call for different responses, and the questions you're asking are actually too broad.
In general though, especially for lower divisions, you don't even need to really micro. Macroing alone will see you to victory, but you should still know matchups and openings.
Two basic rules:
- Are you spending all your resources? No? Spend more.
- Do you know what your opponent is doing? If at any point you say no, do more scouting. The more you know about the game (on a meta level), the more information you can assume from seeing very little, but if you don't know much, scout more.
AppleSmack
Banned
I wouldn't bother worrying much about scouting at all at the lower level. All you really need to know is expand timings to determine if a 1 base cheese is coming. Outside of that just practice solely on macro if you are a new player. Scouting is the most overrated part of Starcraft . If you play a safe build and out macro your opponent you should win any lower league game.
You know what also goes well with Black? Gold.
I don't know specific openers for Zerg. I totally forgot how to play. I know how to micro and macro up to the mid-game so I'm not worried about that. Anyone have any standard build orders so I can start tweaking? The past few games I've started with 15 pool 15 hatch on medium maps.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Gold would be glorious.
Dark Templar has always been strongly blue. Why would that change?
Are we talking team color or general aesthetic?
Best protoss team color is orange, truth.
I'd say green also.
Cheese means a strategy that depends on surprise to work, and when scouted the failure to work basically leaves the cheeser too far behind to win a standard game from there. 10 Pool into nidus worm roaches is definitely cheese.
definition off of liquipedia:
If you never play 1v1, it means the matchmaking has very little information to figure out how good you really are. If you've played a total of let's say 10 games since the reset, and you've got 4 wins in the row, it's a pretty fucking clear signal saying 'this guy is better than I expected.' What leagues were the other 4 guys, just out of curiosity? If they were all bronze-silver then I see how you can be mad. But if they were like gold-plat levels, it really isn't unfair.
Synth_floyd
Banned
I haven't played HOTS (but I've heard some stuff about the story) but it seems like the main difference in story between SC1 and 2 is that 1 was about big battles and armies and the clash of civilizations...and SC2 is about Raynor trying to fuck Kerrigan.
Syphon Filter
Member
what do you mean everything isn't downloaded?what parts aren't downloaded?
Interceptor
Banned
Vice versa actually.
I don't think so.
Synth_floyd
Banned
Kerrigan trying to fuck Raynor? Or SC1 was about fucking and SC2 is about civilizations?
HoodWinked
Member
HoodWinked
Member
people typically associate worth by a cost length ratio, for me i usually dont think this way but if its useful to you. basically...
12 hour campaign for $40.
Interceptor
Banned
This relationship is nonsense to begin with.. But it is just wrong to say hots is about Raynor trying to fuck Kerrigan. For the most part he is not even IN the story. hots got a bullshit excuse for kerrigan to rebuild the swarm and to crush mengsk. It´s about the zerg invading and burning dozends of terran worlds. (Broodmothers coming back) It´s more about "clashing species" than wol. Which was just an annoying story of some mercenaries doing fetch missions and somehow beating the zerg on their homeworld in the end.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
The entirety of the SC story was about civilizations trying to deal with the threat of the zerg and how to survive and maintain their culture in the midst of space. It was about civilizations locked in conflict and trying to find their own ecosystem and exist either together or apart from each other. Zerg helped to divide and bring the Terran, Protoss, and UED at the same time. It was a story about characters yes but it's about what these characters represented as well, in this case their races.
Starcraft II is not about this at all. The entirety of WoL's story is about gathering artifacts to destroy or save Kerrigan. The game alluded to the grander plot of the Dark One but didn't go deep enough to say that it was a major plot point at the time. It's a non-factor. SCII is about character relationships and in this case it's about Raynor and Kerrigan at the moment. If you deny this then I feel like you're overlooking some things or misunderstanding the story.
EscapingJail
Member
Every cheese is completely viable, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If you keep winning you'll eventually get to the point where people will stomp it and you'll have to adapt.
Keep playing to win, don't let anyone say otherwise to you.
Just from the quickest first impressions, from a silver point of view, what's changed for Zerg and Toss in multi? So far I feel like Terran is a lot different because of the Reapers changes and the Widow Mines, but Zerg and Toss feel pretty much the same - zerg is just exactly the same and Toss has a flying thingy that does not do too much flying around. Is Mothership Core a major game-changer? Are there any important changes to WoL Toss units?
Interceptor
Banned
Sorry.. my mind automatically translated SC1 to wol and SC2 to hots. You are right of course.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Sorry. T_T I'm bad at trying to take the intonation of posts.
Silver to diamond, guess I should have seen it coming then. Just gonna take a break now, been playing far too much and the game is starting to get on my nerves.
Interceptor
Banned
Serious. I just read SC1 as wol in my mind. Just realized my mistake. ^^ You are right, SC1 is far superiour in storytelling and SC2 is just a really cheesy love story with bad writing. I lost it when raynor called her "honey" (not sure about that - played the german version). The last time he saw her he swore to kill her. First direct contact in sc2 - honey. ridiculous.
celestial body
Member
J2d, problem is the game currently has very little idea how good anyone is. They should've kept the MMR from your WoL ladder, just as a guide, at least it wouldn't put off new players who get 5 plat to masters players in their placements..
This is more or less why I'm waiting till next week to do my placements. Just leveling myself against bots in the mean time.
Yea I know, my last two games was against a bronze and master player so it's clear that it is pretty messed up at the moment.
They need to fix the achievements btw, a lot of Kerrigans doesn't update at all for me.
why not just play some unranked then?
The Lamonster
Member
I'm glad everyone agrees that yellow would be gross. I'd be fine with green, gold or orange though.
Same,a few friends were complaining about playing diamond ppl in placements.I told them to wait but they didn't care lol.
Testing out builds/getting used to playing SC in general again. The last time I played was late 2010 lol.