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//: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm |OT| Like Riding a Bike
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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WoL
O, marines, maradudes, and those mercaniaries. Maybe tanks. I don't remember. Yikes.
*nods* I assume with each mission that introduces a new unit, you should focus on those units, and I need to keep building units regardless, like marines and medics. Like I said, multitasking is an issue of mine, when I said a squad out on a task, I tend to forget about everything else.
It's more a complete gamble. I got him mixed up with someone else when I picked my team so now I'm just praying he does badly
IM is a pretty deep team, even just with Protoss (Seed, Yonghwa, First, MC, Squirtle) so it's pretty possible that he doesn't even get much play. Might end up losing a lot of points with every IM win though!
AppleSmack
Banned
What do you guys do with mines? In my games, I send them all over the map and watchtowers but they end up doing almost nothing because everyone is so passive int he lower leagues. Nobody ever leaves their base unless they fully committed to an attack. Should I just spam them in my mineral line and put them directly outside their ramp?
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The Everyman
hey guys, what are your standard hots builds?
for me:
tvz:
2 reactored hellions
2 mines to block expansions
maarauder-hellbat into full on mech and ghosts
tvp
i was going the wol 2 rax to decent success but im thinking of switching to a reactored marine mine FE
tvt
iab marine hellion drop while FE into tanks. someone used this against me and it seems pretty solid.
for me:
tvz:
2 reactored hellions
2 mines to block expansions
maarauder-hellbat into full on mech and ghosts
tvp
i was going the wol 2 rax to decent success but im thinking of switching to a reactored marine mine FE
tvt
iab marine hellion drop while FE into tanks. someone used this against me and it seems pretty solid.
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The Everyman
force the zerg to get an overseer for their 3rd. its a pretty huge delay
Yup. Maybe throw in a few Medics/Medivacs.
AppleSmack
Banned
So I shouldn't constantly pump them out? I always have a factory building mines especially in TvP cause the factory is useless outside of that.
Gotcha, guess I'll just pump a reactor on my first barracks and pump out the marines nonstop sprinkled with a medic here and there.
Always remember the one truth about Starcraft: Marines are OP.
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The Everyman
Late game I use hell bats with Bio in tvp
*nods* I assume with each mission that introduces a new unit, you should focus on those units, and I need to keep building units regardless, like marines and medics. Like I said, multitasking is an issue of mine, when I said a squad out on a task, I tend to forget about everything else.
I just add the free forces to my main army and build marines/tanks/defenses(only on specific maps that are you being sieged)
Sounds like an old Gamepro protip. PROTIP: To beat the game, build marines and shoot at stuff until it dies.
Anyways, guess I'll keep at it.
Also, in terms of story, are any StarCraft novels worth reading?
I have been using this in TvP with some pretty good success, early mines help against things like early oracles or any early gateway attacks.
12 rax
15 gas
19 reactor
20 cc
21 fact
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
They're all horrible ._.
Is metzen incharge of it? Then it's horrible storytelling.
Need a new story guy(I'm sure I could replace him =D
Yeah, I figured, dang it.
By upgrades you mean? Armoury updgrades? Engineering Bay? Research Upgrades? etc?
It's not much so much a specific mission (last night it was the 'trouble in the jungle' mission, get protoss stuff before they do, or the contract mission - get credits before they do, etc etc), but just any mission where I'm forced into a race against time to do such and such a task.
If anything the idea that I should just be focusing on marines and medics should alleviate any issues I have with balancing an army/available minerals if those will be main builds.
EscapingJail
Member
Magical Nerds
Main Team
4 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
6 -
3 -
6 -
3 -
2 - Team AxiomAcer
Anti Team
3 -
7 -
3 -
I feel I made out pretty well.
Magical Nerds
Main Team
4 -BboongBboong
5 -ByuN
4 -KeeN
3 -Lucky
6 -MMA
3 -Ruin
6 -Sniper (captain)
3 -VINES
2 - Team AxiomAcer
Anti Team
3 -Ganzi
7 -MarineKing
3 -Super(Vampire)
I feel I made out pretty well.
How do they calculate the points?
Let your economy determine what you build. Still building up minerals even though you're constantly building Marines? Build another Rax. Have enough Medics? Get upgrades. Etc.
Based on performance or likelyhood of being played - So anyone who played (and won) in the GSTL HotS Preseason or IEM/MLG is going to have higher than 4 points.
Some of the points are kinda weird but there's not really much to pull from to value all the players. MKP seems like a risky person to put on anti-team considering he'll probably get played every single Prime match and I expect him to win at least a couple of games. Then again, I expect the same from MMA and he's on my anti team!
Yeah, I believe I have those 2 upgrades, I guess I'll get the other ones as well.
Yeah, this makes sense. Like I said, I get to a point where I am bad at multitasking and my minerals just keep piling up, so barracks just sit around not working. Will correct that.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
All I remember was getting destroyed by them in the beta :lol 200/200 Swarm Hosts
PC Gamer just posted their review (finally):
91% Editor's Choice
http://www.pcgamer.com/review/starcraft-2-heart-of-the-swarm-review/
91% Editor's Choice
http://www.pcgamer.com/review/starcraft-2-heart-of-the-swarm-review/
Finally got the game. Did 2 unranked stuff and then the 5 placement games. Got into Silver. Not a bad start. Hoping to get into Gold relatively quickly though.
Just got destroyed in a game by Oracle harass. I totally forgot about those things. Guy seriously killed like 40 workers of mine. I managed to safely, nearly max my army but then I lost in a big fight because I'm pretty sure I was way behind on upgrades. Oh well. Having lots of fun.
Just got destroyed in a game by Oracle harass. I totally forgot about those things. Guy seriously killed like 40 workers of mine. I managed to safely, nearly max my army but then I lost in a big fight because I'm pretty sure I was way behind on upgrades. Oh well. Having lots of fun.
All I remember was getting destroyed by them in the beta :lol 200/200 Swarm Hosts
Well I have won a couple games with them but I was pretty far ahead so I could make that 200/200. However in a normal situation have only 5-10 they dont seem effective enough. Pretty bad against siege tanks as the locust move so slowly. Probably partially my fault as they have a range attack and I went melee upgrades.
Bad against siege tanks? It takes almost 3 hits from a siege tank to kill a single SH. And when Zerg has 20 SH you need a lot of tanks to back it up and not let them come near your base. That gives Zerg all the time they need to take all minerals on the map
20 SH, your opponent is going to have a lot of units than. Thats 4000-2000 resource wise. Of course they will be powerful at that point but what about when you only have 5 or 10. You need other support units with them so when all your locust die they dont get trampled on. Muta's have so much more utility and are cheaper.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Is there a way to create custom tournaments in game?
EscapingJail
Member
HappyHunting
Neo Member
I keep reading this convo again and again and can't see what situation you guys are talking about.
Swarm Hosts and Mutas do two completely different things entirely, especially after the Muta changes in HotS.
If you are going swarm hosts you better have support units first and build into swarm hosts. Then you siege from app a screen away, well away from any siege tank damage. Goal here is two fold: Slow siege an expansion and punish any form of straight on counter attack with support.
Edit: Clarification... Siege Tanks do not counter swarm hosts. They do the same thing as Colossus, help you take less damage from free units.
The Lamonster
Member
Great write up. I agree with their assessment.
In which case you have put a ton of your supply into swarmhosts and allowed the other person to build up to 200. Unless you have an advantage I just cant see them being useful. Broodlords are a lot scarier from a terran perspective. I just dont see a role for them in zvt as they dont transition nicely. I guess maybe if start with a gameplan of hydra/swarm/viper. But actually finishing a terran with that combination is not easy.
LITERALLY THE SAME
I'm actually thinking of playing again and switching to Zerg. The muta play I've been seeing streamed lately is reminding me of Broodwar Zerg.
that plus I love the viper micro. so beautiful.
swarm hosts, I've only seen two games with them and the people got wrecked. lol
Ultralisks and vipers have been a good combo, ive seen
Yeah, swarm hosts look awful. IdrA and Destiny use them a lot with roach/hydra ~_~
Jaedong and stephano have been going muta/ling/bling with a few infestors most games into ultra/vipors and it's amazing to watch.
HappyHunting
Neo Member
I know this may seem repetetitive and you most likely heard this before but watch your replays. From what you wrote I would gather you aren't scouting aggression and you may be off with your timings.
Yes, I have been getting massive lag spikes
Any fix?