probably, terran is 25% in plat and diamon with this nerf i expect it to drop to 22% then we will get a huge buff
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probably, terran is 25% in plat and diamon with this nerf i expect it to drop to 22% then we will get a huge buff
TheThunder
Member
Did anyone see the leaked MLG KR qualifier results ?
Really surprising results
Really surprising results
probably, terran is 25% in plat and diamon with this nerf i expect it to drop to 22% then we will get a huge buff
Plat terrans were all about that late game ghost mech snipe strategy, they are doooomed.
Yeah i was surprised too
For crying out loud...the Ghost nerf is straight up ridiculous and stupid. All it is going to do is make Terran even more cheesy against Zerg because Infestor/Brood Lord is all that much more unstoppable in the late game.
Have fun Zerg players, we're coming at you in cheesy rush after cheesy rush harder than ever before.
Also, Ghosts are now awful. EMP range is too small, snipe is a joke unless you're hitting Infestors/HTs, and they're still really fragile with a low rate of fire. Dumb. They should have just nerfed their damage versus massive units and that would have been fine.
Have fun Zerg players, we're coming at you in cheesy rush after cheesy rush harder than ever before.
Also, Ghosts are now awful. EMP range is too small, snipe is a joke unless you're hitting Infestors/HTs, and they're still really fragile with a low rate of fire. Dumb. They should have just nerfed their damage versus massive units and that would have been fine.
MULEs now harvest the same amount of minerals on both high yield minerals and normal minerals.
Okay
Snipe damage changed from 45 to 25 +25 Psionic
Maybe a bit harsh, but it might be fine. I'd rather see it just do 45 - 15 to Massive units (aka BL and Ultra). Obviously this is too hard to implement nicely into Snipe's tooltip. You lose worker snipes and bane snipes and neat early ghost timings.
Phoenix now has a range upgrade at the Fleet Beacon
LOL 6 RANGE WHY DON'T YOU LEARN TO STACK YOUR FUCKING PHOENIXES, FUCKIN SHIT PROTOSSES. That just seems far far too powerful a change for someone with good control. Yes I know it's on fleet beacon.
APM / CPM changes
Fuck yeaaaaaaaaaaah
Okay
Snipe damage changed from 45 to 25 +25 Psionic
Maybe a bit harsh, but it might be fine. I'd rather see it just do 45 - 15 to Massive units (aka BL and Ultra). Obviously this is too hard to implement nicely into Snipe's tooltip. You lose worker snipes and bane snipes and neat early ghost timings.
Phoenix now has a range upgrade at the Fleet Beacon
LOL 6 RANGE WHY DON'T YOU LEARN TO STACK YOUR FUCKING PHOENIXES, FUCKIN SHIT PROTOSSES. That just seems far far too powerful a change for someone with good control. Yes I know it's on fleet beacon.
APM / CPM changes
Fuck yeaaaaaaaaaaah
probably, terran is 25% in plat and diamon with this nerf i expect it to drop to 22% then we will get a huge buff
I know the stats dont lie but somehow with the 10 games I have played on ladder, 6-7 have been against terran and the rest against toss, no zerg. Just weird coincidence. This is all against mid-high diamond ranked players.
PhoenixDark
Banned
haha hold my dick ghosts, I'm going to the superbowl
They suck so much that naniwa took to twitter to complain how a 1 range boost would make no difference, when of course its actually a 2 range boost. so sad.
The unit is already faster than mutas, out-ranges mutas, gets damage bonus vs mutas, shoots while moving. What more do they want.
TheThunder
Member
So this is the 15th patch in a row where protoss gets a buff ?
I thought you were supposed to be a random player Dustin.
I thought you were supposed to be a random player Dustin.
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
They want to see this: Phoenix production updated - On creation of a Phoenix all Mutalisks present on the map die.
The Ret vs. Darkforce game?
Yeap. Balls of steel in the deciding game of a series.
Yeah, really sudden decission to go Nydus. Really good decission making.
TheThunder
Member
More like completely fucked up multiple times by getting supply blocked, building a queen on the wrong hatch and letting lings see his lair and then throwing a fat hail mary that worked.
Well yeah, there is no denying he fucked up a lot in that game. But even while fucking up he kept thinking how he could get a win out of it, and went for it. He was lucky that Darkforce didnt pay attention to it though or he was completely dead.
fuck, i get like 60% zvz
I'd say that I'm getting 75% Zerg, easily.
perryfarrell
Member
DeMuslim's smacktalk comin back to haunt him... TT
TheThunder
Member
Demuslim will never shit talk again.
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Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Demuslim talked about it recently that he scans because ravens are to slow and latter game Terran has enough minerals toskip mules.
-raven have an extremely long building time.
-slow as fuck.
-easy to get sniped by muta.
thats been said, its good to get raven after getting banshee because u will have a techlab reactor already.
AdventureRacing
Member
He didn't even need a unit a walloff would have saved him.
On the flip side most terrans end up with a ton of stockpiled gas at the end of the match and ravens can be used for more than detection. Not saying they should be built though.
On the flip side most terrans end up with a ton of stockpiled gas at the end of the match and ravens can be used for more than detection. Not saying they should be built though.
It's still going to take massing up Phoenix units and getting the upgrade. It's committing Protoss down a specific tech path, and Infestors can still play a huge part in crushing the Phoenix threat.
plus phoenix are only good against muta when u have a good number of them before muta are out otherwise it won't work.
I wasn't saying it's unbalanced. I'm in Platinum so it's not like I really know lol
However, based on the last few PvZ's in the GSL, it does look like you can do just fine with Phoenix's against Mutas assuming, as Devil pointed out, that you have a good number of them. Genius proved that you only need one CB'ed Stargate to have a good anti-muta fleet though.
Happy those zvt late game issues are being solved by blizzard.
right after they solve those early ZvT issues.
They just made them worse. Terrans won't let the game go into the late game anymore. People are going to be trying to end it much faster since the Ghost nerf is so severe.
That issue would be a bit harder to fix. You would have to somehow psychologically engineer zerg players to not be greedy.
edit: Just thinking about the snipe change, the number of clicks alone requires quite a bit of time unless using the scroll trick.
AppleSmack
Banned
I used to be a huge starcraft fan from the release of SC2 to the end of summer 2011. Since then I kind have stopped watching the GSL and MLGs. How are they right now? Things still cool? Game fun? I'm thinking of getting back into SC2 soon. How is Zerg in the metagame right now? Nestea still boss or no?
- Things are fine right now. Still cool.
- Game is fun.
- You should totally get back into SC2!
- Zerg is fine in the metagame. So is Terran and Protoss.
- Nestea
just got bumped down to Code A a couple of days ago, but I'm 99% sure he'll bounce back into Code S without any trouble.
Hm, I'm really not a fan of the Ghost nerf in its current form. Just mimick the concussive damage they had in Brood War. Keep the base damage the same but add a negative modifier to massive (Ultras and Brood Lords are massive). Ghosts no longer one shot workers, banes, marines, et etc.
I feel like in addresssing ghost power in TvZ late game they've pretty much wrecked the opportunity cost game for getting the tech out.
Well, Snipe is basically a discount EMP from now on, and that might still be useful, I think with scrolling trick it could still obviously help out in various situations where beforet it was basically the answer.
God Pheonix are going to be such a pain for Zerg early game again. 6 Range... dem overlord and queen snipes.
I feel like in addresssing ghost power in TvZ late game they've pretty much wrecked the opportunity cost game for getting the tech out.
Well, Snipe is basically a discount EMP from now on, and that might still be useful, I think with scrolling trick it could still obviously help out in various situations where beforet it was basically the answer.
God Pheonix are going to be such a pain for Zerg early game again. 6 Range... dem overlord and queen snipes.