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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT4| Everyone Else Would Beat Catspajamas
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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Zerg and Protoss just decided to flip winrates for this month, nothing to see here (Besides protoss getting better at all ining and timing pushes).
TvP isn't that big of a deal, whenever Protoss catches up, Terran discovers new timings. But seriously, Terran may be running out of new discoveries, and Protoss players are getting better and better at figuring out what the Terran is going to do, and striking a happy medium against a variety of Terran openers and timings.
The crux of the 'imbalance' between the two races is, if anything, that Protoss has the edge late game. The thing that has kept protoss struggling for so long is how flexible the Terran is early game, and thus able to surprise the Protoss or trick them into an incorrect composition (which is very delicate PvT). Early game scouting issues are actually much more serious for Toss than against Terran than they have ever been, or ever will be, for Zerg.
Basically Zergs QQ like children and have massive persecution and entitlement complexes, stemming from perceived inferiority that only existed earlier on in SCII unit and map design; come at me bro.
TvP isn't that big of a deal, whenever Protoss catches up, Terran discovers new timings. But seriously, Terran may be running out of new discoveries, and Protoss players are getting better and better at figuring out what the Terran is going to do, and striking a happy medium against a variety of Terran openers and timings.
The crux of the 'imbalance' between the two races is, if anything, that Protoss has the edge late game. The thing that has kept protoss struggling for so long is how flexible the Terran is early game, and thus able to surprise the Protoss or trick them into an incorrect composition (which is very delicate PvT). Early game scouting issues are actually much more serious for Toss than against Terran than they have ever been, or ever will be, for Zerg.
Basically Zergs QQ like children and have massive persecution and entitlement complexes, stemming from perceived inferiority that only existed earlier on in SCII unit and map design; come at me bro.
I blame the shift in winrates on players getting better or worse.
For almost a year, only MC, Genius and Huk were actually any good in Korea/World, and Naniwa was only good outside Korea.
Now we've got Oz, HerO, Parting, and JYP.
On the Zerg front, Nestea and Leenock have been slumping, so they only have DRG in Korea now.
On the Terran front, they always had the most players and more good players, so MVP slumping is made up for by guys like aLive, Polt, and MKP coming back.
In Korea, there was always a racial imbalance because the majority of the good players that switched to SC2 picked Terran due to Terran being perceived to be the strongest, and because Terran seemed to benefit the most from having high APM. The influx of talent to Terran only further increased the perception of it being better since there ended up being a talent imbalance.
Protoss definitely got the shaft in terms of talent switching over. Protoss had the fewest successful and star players since the beginning, and only recently has that changed. Unless Genius wins tonight, MC remains the only Protoss to win GSL after 1.5 years because MC is the standout talent of the Protoss.
For almost a year, only MC, Genius and Huk were actually any good in Korea/World, and Naniwa was only good outside Korea.
Now we've got Oz, HerO, Parting, and JYP.
On the Zerg front, Nestea and Leenock have been slumping, so they only have DRG in Korea now.
On the Terran front, they always had the most players and more good players, so MVP slumping is made up for by guys like aLive, Polt, and MKP coming back.
In Korea, there was always a racial imbalance because the majority of the good players that switched to SC2 picked Terran due to Terran being perceived to be the strongest, and because Terran seemed to benefit the most from having high APM. The influx of talent to Terran only further increased the perception of it being better since there ended up being a talent imbalance.
Protoss definitely got the shaft in terms of talent switching over. Protoss had the fewest successful and star players since the beginning, and only recently has that changed. Unless Genius wins tonight, MC remains the only Protoss to win GSL after 1.5 years because MC is the standout talent of the Protoss.
TheThunder
Member
Make sure you don't let something as simple as incognito mode screw you around this time.
Might buy a ticket if it's $5-$7 and the player list isn't bad.
Might buy a ticket if it's $5-$7 and the player list isn't bad.
I'd appreciate knowing what was bad about the casting or what to improve on. It's been quite a while.
It wasn't sarcasm, it was legitimately true.
They weren't utilizing the benefits of their race, now some are. There's a lot of room to still be had, espcially with chrono, warp prisms, high ground, and FF. To be able to incorporate all of those at key points in the game and capitalize if they see an opportunity to do so.
Hell, I've been saying multidrop needed to be done for at least 9 months, maybe longer. Finally some Terran (Gumiho) takes advantage of shift queue and his seemingly notshit APM.
Yup. How many times have people heard me say that Protoss players were just all bad?
It wasn't sarcasm, it was legitimately true.
They weren't utilizing the benefits of their race, now some are. There's a lot of room to still be had, espcially with chrono, warp prisms, high ground, and FF. To be able to incorporate all of those at key points in the game and capitalize if they see an opportunity to do so.
Hell, I've been saying multidrop needed to be done for at least 9 months, maybe longer. Finally some Terran (Gumiho) takes advantage of shift queue and his seemingly notshit APM.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Ahh qq
Division doesn't necessarily mean anything. They could be in gold with Plat MMR.
Hhnnnnnnnnnnnnnng.
My ZvZ is definitely better than my other matchups. It's an easy to understand matchup because I just need to worry about having more roaches and infestors than him. Other than that, micro is easy and spine crawlers are very valuable. ZvT...when he goes tanks or thors, I really struggle to know what and how many to build.
On a side note, kind of anxious for this Starcraft Master map to come out.
On a side note, kind of anxious for this Starcraft Master map to come out.
Ok Hazard, this is the match that I'd like you to cast if you could please.
http://drop.sc/125108
It's me, the Silver Terran vs my friend who is Platinum Protoss who has been learning Zerg in the past week. He says he's beaten some Gold players with it so I guess he's about a Gold Level Zerg.
I know it's nooby as fuck so I guess rip it to shreds and we'll learn from it lol
http://drop.sc/125108
It's me, the Silver Terran vs my friend who is Platinum Protoss who has been learning Zerg in the past week. He says he's beaten some Gold players with it so I guess he's about a Gold Level Zerg.
I know it's nooby as fuck so I guess rip it to shreds and we'll learn from it lol
So with pax already clashing with ipl4 we now have the first mlg spring arena clashing with the dreamhack open: stockholm. gg organisers.
oh and not starcraft but mlg now has mortal kombat 9, soul calibur 5 and king of fighters 13 at columbus on the same day as norcal regionals (a large fighting game tournament)
oh and not starcraft but mlg now has mortal kombat 9, soul calibur 5 and king of fighters 13 at columbus on the same day as norcal regionals (a large fighting game tournament)
It's super annoying to see all these events conflict with each other. It's worse when one of them's an arena event scheduled inside a company's office, which you'd expect dates to be a little more flexible than an event inside a convention center or something where you have to deal with a third party as far as space availability.
I wish the organizations would at least appear to work together a little more often when it comes to events of the same kind (ipl, mlg, & dreamhack and not something like the pax/ipl confliction)
I wish the organizations would at least appear to work together a little more often when it comes to events of the same kind (ipl, mlg, & dreamhack and not something like the pax/ipl confliction)
PhoenixDark
Banned
Seems more like MLG not working with everyone else...
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Wonder if it becomes like on purpose. They always say they talk...yet still always happen.
Well, ordered a new hdd and an external enclosure for my old hdd. Courtesy of aylinato having his computer. Ought to pick them up by next wednesday and have everything going next Friday or so. Really wish I had the money to pick up a new motherboard, processor, video card and ram too. Some day.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
2010 seasons are free now.
I really have no idea how GOM's ticket system works this year :/, let us know if you find out.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I'm all for competition and like the idea of tournaments being held in the same weekend; I see no reason why there can't be a big US and EU tournament on at the same time for instance.
Clearly MLG agrees, but they also seem intent on competing with IPL in the US. Good luck lol
Awesome Animals
Member
Just stopping in to say hello. *wave*
Well it will be all about which players are at which tournament right?
You missed a lot and we miss you. Only thing you need to know is that splinter got raped and is sc2gaf's bitch now.
Awesome Animals
Member
Give me some more details of this. I'll try to pop online every once in awhile, and visit the thread more.
Are you keeping control of watch towers? Also always keep a ling right outside the opponent base so you can tell when they're pushing out (95% of them will do it with their whole army). Keep overlords stationed in air space where drops would intersect as well. Maybe at Plat/Gold push timings aren't very predictable, but these things will help you have enough advance warning to react.
selendis then artanis? odd, why would you get a downgrade for your final portrait.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Im no master ;;
yes you are, youre a master scrub.
challenge... three?
lol...well I thought it was harder than it was. The obvious thing to do was just create a choke, but since it didn't work the first few times I figured I had to do some fancy zealot swap or something. Guess not.
This map is awesome.
Round 12 is stumping me a bit...managing to get it down to 1 tank.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
throw infested terrans at the marines, then throw 2 terrans at each tank. It's a razor thin timing.
Yea but he's matching GM players
Finals are tonight?