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[Holden]

Well then think of this. He sees the probes, it's 7v5. He cancels the pool and has the money to make 3 drones. Now it's 8v7 and drons are better.

shields bro

 

[Pandaman]

shields bro

zerg can mine and regenerate at the same time while you have to run.

 

[Holden]

zerg can mine and regenerate at the same time while you have to run.

so imba wtf

what if it was a terran with 6 scvs and just repairs them, sounds even more legit. This sounds like discrimination to me

 

[BigAT]

Wait, THE Mia Rose was on SotG last night? I know what I'm watching this afternoon...

 

[MrKnives]

Wait, THE Mia Rose was on SotG last night? I know what I'm watching this afternoon...

Porn?

 

[Holden]

wait isn't she the porn star that dressing like an elf?

and said that TLO had a big d*** lol;

 

[Zzoram]

..... Tastosis got paid more at MLG than leenock won

No, they were referring to older MLGs, the ones where the top prize was $5000.

Those tournaments had a ridiculously small prize.

 

[BigAT]

Porn?

No, State of the Game.

Spoiler

With porn on my other monitor.

 

[Pandaman]

so imba wtf

what if it was a terran with 6 scvs and just repairs them, sounds even more legit. This sounds like discrimination to me

its not discrimination when its true. probe rushes are significantly weaker than even other races worker rushes.

 

[Holden]

panda i ll be on in like 2hours, you gonna up be for some games?

 

[Zzoram]

Day9 was pretty smart to get into the game early, don't think he puts out anything special but he was quick enough to gain a following.

He puts out the Day9 daily and has been doing it 5 days a week for years. How does he not put out anything special? He's arguably worked harder and more than anyone in Starcraft history at casting. Tons of people only got into watching Starcraft because of him.

I personally don't watch the Day9 daily and I prefer Tastetosis for casting, but I appreciate what Day9 does for the community and I recognize that he's one of the biggest attractions in the scene. Getting Day9 to cast your event means thousands more people watch it.

Huk and Idra are the two best paid foreigners, in large part because of the viewers they attract. Idra doesn't always do well but he gets a lot of people to watch, and that's why he has a big salary.

 

[Ikuu]

Just because he puts out something, doesn't mean it's anything great. Not saying he doesn't work hard, just don't think his show is all that.

 

[Zzoram]

i do agree, 7 probe rush is sounds a game to me

so 6 pool means that you should be banned from gsl now..?

7 probe rush without micro (and honestly even with micro) has 0% chance of winning unless your opponent doesn't respond

6pool has a good chance of winning, if not outright, then by doing damage and getting an advantage



they are not even close to being comparable, also

does that look like a player that is remotely trying or even giving a fuck?

 

[Zzoram]

Just because he puts out something, doesn't mean it's anything great. Not saying he doesn't work hard, just don't think his show is all that.

I don't care much about his show either. Tens of thousands of people do. That's why he's valuable.

I don't know if anyone here is Canadian, but Don Cherry is a commentator that talks about NHL hockey games during intermissions and before/after games. He's making over a Million a year to talk about games, that's more than all but the best players in the NHL make. Why does he get paid this much? He brings in big ratings, moreso than any individual player could bring. Therefore, that's his market value.

Day9 and Tastetosis have really high market value because they bring in a ton of fans and improve ratings for tournaments that have them. They won't make as much as the best players but they'll make more than the good players because they're certainly worth more.

Also, contrary to popular belief, finding a good caster is really hard. Look at Gretorp and Moletrap, nobody even likes them. They actually hurt ratings of tournaments. Getting a good caster is a big deal.

I personally prefer Tastetosis to everyone else, and will preferentially watch anything that they cast.

 

[Deadman]

@Slasher Rod Breslau
Providence did not award Naniwa a Code S spot, only the Blizzard Cup. He was going to be given Code S, that which was revoked. Not as bad.

Seems fair enough, they were going to be nice and give him a spot, he was mean so they didnt.

People are saying that hes not banned from code a qualifiers either, just not invited to code s anymore.

 

[Awesome Animals]

I don't care much about his show either. Tens of thousands of people do. That's why he's valuable.

I don't know if anyone here is Canadian, but Don Cherry is a commentator that talks about NHL hockey games during intermissions and before/after games. He's making 10+Million a year to talk about games, that's more than all but the best players in the NHL make. Why does he get paid this much? He brings in big ratings, moreso than any individual player could bring. Therefore, that's his market value.

Day9 and Tastetosis have really high market value because they bring in a ton of fans and improve ratings for tournaments that have them. They won't make as much as the best players but they'll make more than the good players because they're certainly worth more.

I personally prefer Tastetosis to everyone else, and will preferentially watch anything that they cast.

Don Cherry is the man. Hockey Night in Canada is one of my favorite things to watch.

 

[Dooraven]

Seems fair enough, they were going to be nice and give him a spot, he was mean so they didnt.

People are saying that hes not banned from code a qualifiers either, just not invited to code s anymore.

Hmm that contradicts their agreement:
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program

I suppose they might just twist it into Providence not being part of the "Pro Circuit Live Competition"

Edit: Also MLG own article on this: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/
Gom are seriously smoking shit on this one.

 

[Q8D3vil]

he isn't banned and he can still qualify for code a (after getting invited 3 times already lol).

 

[Zzoram]

GOM is being stupid in the way they are handling this. They should just be straight forward instead of trying to twist words about Naniwa's seed.

They are still right to revoke Naniwa's Code S seed though. This kind of behavior needs to be discouraged and that will never happen until someone is made an example of. Naniwa is notorious for horrible behavior at all tournaments, and has even been banned from several EU tournaments before.

GOM isn't even banning him, they just took away his Code S seed. If he wants, he can try to qualify for Code A and then win his way into Code S again. I think he can qualify if he plays as well as he has been lately.

However, he does have GSL record of 1-12, with his only win being a PvP in GSTL.

 

[Dooraven]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with them disqualifying him from Code S at all but to say that he never got it is making them really stupid. They should really stop trying to twist and bullcrap their way out of this and just be straightforward.

 

[Zzoram]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with them disqualifying him from Code S at all but to say that he never got it is making them really stupid. They should really stop trying to twist and bullcrap their way out of this and just be straightforward.

Agreed there.

I think this whole thing will blow over pretty quickly. It's not a ban so he might be in GSL 2012 Season 1 anyways if he qualifies. Also, there might be deals set up to allow foreigners to qualify from foreign tournaments in 2012, where Naniwa might win another Code S seed. There are so many tournaments that we won't even notice.

 

[Deadly]

Hmm that contradicts their agreement:
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program

I suppose they might just twist it into Providence not being part of the "Pro Circuit Live Competition"

Edit: Also MLG own article on this: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/
Gom are seriously smoking shit on this one.

Yeah clearly is BS. It was totally the other way around.

 

[Q8D3vil]

shame that mlg didn't ban him after his comment about the tournament.

 

[Zzoram]

shame that mlg didn't ban him after his comment about the tournament.

Apparently Sundance was going to disqualify him but Naniwa's coach from Complexity at the time negotiated for just a penalty.

Naniwa was supposed to lose his ability to pick maps after a loss in his games against Huk but Huk let him pick anyways.

 

[Trickster]

Apparently what mr chae said when he announnced naniwi not getting his code s seed is causing a bit of a stir in itself, wondering if anyone know what he said, or where i can find it myself ?

 

[Deadman]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711

On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment.

This is all through translation, they still haven't made a real statement about him in english.

 

[Zzoram]

I think the "amateur" thing is about him not acting professional (understandable) and "prize money hunter" may be what they interpreted from Naniwa saying that he had nothing to gain by playing the last match, since no money was on the line.

 

[LakeEarth]

I don't care much about his show either. Tens of thousands of people do. That's why he's valuable.

I like it when he just takes a match and drills down into its core, pointing out tiny things that no one could possibly notice by just "watching" the replay. The other stuff, not so much.

Funday Monday was awesome at first because he put on restrictions that would lead to some interesting timings, but now they've mostly been stupid limitations played by bronze and silver players.

 

[Deadly]

[This is all through translation, they still haven't made a real statement about him in english.

They're obviously going to clean that up for official PR. Hasn't alot of pro-gamers said they only play for the money before? I'm sure I've seen it in an interview before...

 

[Zzoram]

They're obviously going to clean that up for official PR. Hasn't alot of pro-gamers said they only play for the money before? I'm sure I've seen it in an interview before...

Stephano said he's just playing for as much money as possible before September 2012 when he retires and goes to University. That's why he wouldn't play GSL, it would take too long and foreign money is easier.

 

[Spl1nter]

I am installed, patched up, and ready to play. Had to re-localize the game from European version but it wasn't that big of an issue.

 

[V_Arnold]

Twitter is an interesting beast. Even executives, directors, pro-players and pr managers did not learn how to write in a professional way with that character limit.

At some point, I started treating everything written on twitter as a personal opinion, and that helps, really. No poing getting angry at GOM for that.

 

[Pandaman]

Don Cherry is the man. Hockey Night in Canada is one of my favorite things to watch.

plus he needs that salary to afford all those suits.

 

[Awesome Animals]

plus he needs that salary to afford all those suits.

Oh, those suits

 

[Dooraven]

Some More player thoughts I guess:

Morrow:

why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter

if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o

its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault

you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore D)

also you dont ban someone for looking bored

this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say?

we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament

they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game

if i was in naniwas position id request for a walkover, if not id drink 10 cups of coffee and get some food poisioning or some shit. because a player never wants to act serious in a game. because if he loses people think he played bad and serious, and if he wins, people know his build order. its a lose lose situation for a player to get into a situation where he has to play a televised game that doesnt matter

 

[Q8D3vil]

Some More player thoughts I guess:

Morrow:

swede defending swede.
he got payed to play his match and he decided to shit on every viewer watching the games.
fuck him for ruining a game that was anticipated by everyone.

don't defend him because he is a protoss.
hopefully he get 2-0 again in code a if even managed to qualify.

 

[ksan]

swede defending swede.
he got payed to play his match and he decided to shit on every viewer watching the games.
fuck him for ruining a game that was anticipated by everyone.

don't defend him because he is a protoss.
hopefully he get 2-0 again in code a if even managed to qualify.

You are truly delusional.
It's quite funny to see people like you call him out for being a bitch, when you, and the other guys doing the same shit, are in fact ten times worse.

 

[Q8D3vil]

You are truly delusional.
It's quite funny to see people like you call him out for being a bitch, when you, and the other guys doing the same shit, are in fact ten times worse.

i know others did it (morrow, stephano, idra, demuslim...... and many other).

good to see finally someone is paying the price.

 

[ultron87]

Having that match be played in the first place is like playing the third match in a best of 3 after it is 2-0.

 

[ksan]

Having that match be played in the first place is like playing the third match in a best of 3 after it is 2-0.

Sadly Kiwikaki fans still wanted to see the game.

 

[Q8D3vil]

btw, does anyone here pay for gsl beside me hazard and thethunder ?

 

[Deadman]

ive paid for everything except open season 1, arena of legends, blizz cup.

 

[ultron87]

I think I've paid for everything except AOL. And I bought a year ticket for next year.

 

[ksan]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713&currentpage=226#4510

Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee

I don't know how much the rest of you know about western culture (I'm an expert), but contractual obligations are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Korea where you can become successful by breaking them and then lying about it.

 

[Mairu]

btw, does anyone here pay for gsl beside me hazard and thethunder ?

I've paid for every single season except for the ones they gave me for free due to paying for every single season

 

[Pandaman]

i cant imagine any contract existing where an organization loses control over who can attend their events. that woulld be very silly.

 

[ksan]

i cant imagine any contract existing where an organization loses control over who can attend their events. that woulld be very silly.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294893&currentpage=7#132
They had control, they decided that the spot should be handed out like this:

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.

 

[Holden]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713&currentpage=226#4510

I don't know how much the rest of you know about western culture (I'm an expert), but contractual obligations are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Korea where you can become successful by breaking them and then lying about it.

ok just as i thought... we don't know something;;

 

[cdyhybrid]

Idra and Sen in Code S ? I might buy GSL January!

 

[a176]

code s system is so dumb