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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT5| Killing #ESPORTS

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Majine

Banned
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Mairu

Member
Deadman said:
Top 3 foreigner earners are all EG now.

Of course they all earned the majority of their money off EG, but still
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To be fair, any player who just recently joined is going to have earned the majority of their prize winnings before joining EG. Stephano hasn't really competed as EG in that much but the only major tournament he did play in he won. Thorzain, while he has not earned as much as he did during the year he was on mousesports, if you take his total prize winnings while on each team and average it out to the amount of time spent on each team, he's won slightly more per month while on EG.

Huk's numbers are probably much different though! Never mind, bored enough to look at the numbers again before hitting Submit and Huk's actually won a tiny bit more while on EG over TL (but obviously his biggest individual win was on TL @ DH)
 
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Pancakes

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Mairu said:
poop time slot, wonder how entertaining it will be after all this time
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We expect the world, therefore it will be disappointing as all hell. I wonder if they're going to go indepth about Stephano's recent troubles and whether Incontrol will hold back on that topic. They will probably also discuss HoTS and perhaps some semblance of wtf Blizzard is thinking.
 
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Zzoram

Member
PainUser is really annoying and says a lot of stupid things like how he thought Warhounds added more micro to Terran and were a great unit. He might be the only pro gamer to say that, if you can even still call him a pro. He hasn't won a game in over a year and just casts poorly every now and then.

They should just replace him with DeMuslim or Thorzain. Inside The Game would be a better show with an actually competitive Terran on it.

I'd be glad if PainUser left the community or at least faded into obscurity.
 
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Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
Destiny: more people have played with my dick than HoN
Desrow: Sure if they printed out the picture.

MoW needs to become a reality tv show.
 
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jasonng

Member
Just saw a woman, had to be in her mid 30s, with a "20% cooler" tshirt as I was walking to work this morning. Pack it up guys MLP is officially hipster.

Pretty sure she saw me recognize her shirt too.
 
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Pancakes

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jasonng said:
Just saw a woman, had to be in her mid 30s, with a "20% cooler" tshirt as I was walking to work this morning. Pack it up guys MLP is officially hipster.

Pretty sure she saw me recognize her shirt too.
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People still watch/discuss that show? Huh.
 
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Holden

Member
But hey, i don't fucking blame him.

When he stated that Dota2/LoL statement.

Internet including gaf put so much shit on him "No proof, just an attention whore."
Couple days later it was found out true, WHAT A SURPRISE.
 
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Zzoram

Member
SotG was good but JP is the one I cared least about and he's the only one back.

ItG replaced SotG for me and was much more consistent about actually recording.
 
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Corran Horn

May the Schwartz be with you
Holden said:
But hey, i don't fucking blame him.

When he stated that Dota2/LoL statement.

Internet including gaf put so much shit on him "No proof, just an attention whore."
Couple days later it was found out true, WHAT A SURPRISE.
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Huh? So he is like slasher?
 
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ZackusMaximus

Banned
SO I lost 10 ladder games in a row yesterday and winning 8/10 the day before. Now I'm finally playing diamond level players. I'm looking forward to another win streak today. *crosses fingers*
 
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Corran Horn

May the Schwartz be with you
Incontrols response to people wanting him back/supporting him about sotg.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/c...obinson_the_silent_majority_sincerely/c6mtqez

It would be silly of me to not acknowledge this thread. Let me start off by saying what is most important: Thank you. I never once questioned that the vast majority of people that know of my existence are in fact in favor of me as a person. They don't think of me in some extremely negative way. Maybe I annoy them sometimes, maybe I say something cringeworthy and for them that is part of who I am. I appreciate that. I don't expect/want EVERYONE to "like" me or agree with me. It's important that we understand that as I move forward because otherwise I'd be easily written-off as some whiner who wants only good and not bad.

Almost 99% of the people I meet at eSport events look me in the eye and say "Hey! I love what you do on SOTG" as their opening statement. I fully realize what SOTG is to me, to you and to everyone else. It would be silly to pretend that SOTG hasn't done amazing things for me but also (and more importantly) it would be silly to ignore the countless stories I've heard/read about what SOTG has done for others. A lot of times it was more than just a source of entertainment it was an anchor, a guide or a friend. I say this because I need people to know that the gravity of this situation is not lost on me. There isn't much more to add to this part of the post except: I am sorry. I inescapably feel selfish for deciding something on behalf of more people than just myself. I guess I take solace in knowing that I can still be of service to those that count on me in other areas of SC2 (including ITG).

Lets cut to the meat of the issue, why am I deciding to step back from SOTG? To be honest, I am poorly equipped for what I do. I talk about thick skin, I talk about not reading forums, avoiding negativity or not letting it effect me. Trolls, you will be happy to hear that I in fact am effected. I know that I have 1k supporters for every troll and I know the science behind people who troll and people who support.. if you like something you don't NEED to say something every time because you are content. Well, the haters operate in the opposite way and while there are fewer of them there are MORE of what they say. I also know they say things purposefully to get at you. It kinda words. Some days I read it and laugh. Some days I read it and stop talking. Anna asks whats wrong and I can't really explain to her. I just have a dark day. If I say something stupid? Like the Naniwa comments or being a part of Avilo's fucking horrible appearance on SOTG... it charges months of backlash. Now, in a world where people are making sport of contacting sponsors and asking them to fire people I too have to think: Is more better? SOTG tends to discuss drama stuff.. I am getting married in december, do I want to run the risk of another year of a show where 1 wrong statement and I am potentially ejected from the community/job that is attached to my very soul? My passion? I cannot change who I am. I am a sensitive, proud (read egotistical), leader (read attention whore), comedian (read only finds himself funny) person who says what he thinks (read passive aggressive) and I cannot change that. I've tried. Sorry, I thought the Sharktosis thing wasn't funny. I also didn't laugh during most of the Cheech and Chong movies. I find fart jokes funny and I can make a pun out of anything. Hate me? Fine. Don't? Ok. I am a strong personality. Every person that meets me is either comfortable with this or not. What you see on stream is not a contrived push by me for more exposure. It's absolutely who I am. It's gotten me here, explaining myself to thousands. It has put me in a place where I am paid to be ME and by being ME I raise the attractiveness for whatever it is I am doing. I understand that it makes people uncomfortable. I have had people confess to me in person that I am "too much" and that even gets interpreted as me "thinking I am better than everyone else" (If I had a dime for...). I can apologize for these things because I recognize that I am a bit much for many. I cannot change that though.

Beyond my inability to emotionally detach myself from the community (not read forums, not respond to people etc) I also have other reasons for leaving the show: Cost / benefit analysis. When I first left the show and then came back we were salaried. I was leaving before we made money and I came back to us making money. Because I replaced Leah I took over her salary which was around 1/5th what everyone else got an episode. When that season came to an end and I was supposed to be bumped up to what everyone else was making MLG dropped us and we no longer had that. Fine. I once again did the show for free and earned nothing (directly) from it. Coming up on PAX the plan was to have the show be picked up by a big sponsor (still in the works) in which case we once again would earn money. That was January. To this day those contracts are still being discussed etc etc.. but what was proposed was that I earn the 2nd least of the 4. Now, a lot of you right here begin to dislike me and call me a money mongering selfish prick.. ok. To me, this is where I stand up for myself and acknowledge a few things. One, this show has risk. As I said earlier the last two episodes we did left a terrible taste in my mouth that also followed me around for months. People called me a bully, an attention whore and in general started hating on me in all facets of my life. Risk is made more acceptable by compensation. When I am earning less and dealing with more I begin to tilt. This also triggered my ego. I am a big part of that show. Sorry, but in my opinion I am the biggest part. Yup, I said it. Here is where more people become uncomfortable with my ego. Let me say, this is a (for the most part) 4 person show. I think without Nony, you don't have SOTG. I think without Artosis, the same. But of those incredibly important parts I think what I did and my role was perhaps the most important. So to offer me the 2nd least is a bit of a slap in the face.

With all that being said it boils down to a few things: I appreciate this thread and most of what was said in here. I have received tweets, PM's and emails from people that love and care. These things matter a lot. I also truly appreciate the people in here that are saying "I want you back but I respect your choice." I told JP I would love to be a guest and I'd die a thousand deaths if I didn't get to get drunk and talk SC2 with ya'll like we have in years passed (this time maybe minus the pornstar). It is worth noting that I have "left the show" then came back before. I am not set in stone on things. I haven't burned bridges (that I know of) and I am capable of coming back as long as JP will have me. But I need to do some soul searching before that. I 100% know/understand that no matter what I do I will get haters. I am not ever holding out for a world where everyone agrees with me/what I say: I am merely working on my own ability to exist in the world we have today without risking my job, my passion or my sanity.

This game, the show SOTG and most importantly YOU GUYS have all been really good to me. I say a lot of dumb shit and I act horribly from time to time but whatever happens know that I love you and thank you for what you have given me. A job, a life and a place in the game and community I love more than anything else. Thank you.

EDIT: I wrote this with a half awake brain. Sorry for the poor writing lol
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Kinda shocking he get the 2nd lowest pay from the group since he is basically the show. I guess I kinda understand his point about being worried about people going to sponsors if he said something bad after the whole Stephano incident.
 
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OrangeYouGlad

Banned
Corran Horn said:
Incontrols response to people wanting him back/supporting him about sotg.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/c...obinson_the_silent_majority_sincerely/c6mtqez



Kinda shocking he get the 2nd lowest pay from the group since he is basically the show. I guess I kinda understand his point about being worried about people going to sponsors if he said something bad after the whole Stephano incident.
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Can't fault the guy for wanting to be compensated for the effort he puts forth. I'd also agree that he should get the most pay as he made the show mostly enjoyable.
 
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Pancakes

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Corran Horn said:
Incontrols response to people wanting him back/supporting him about sotg.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/c...obinson_the_silent_majority_sincerely/c6mtqez



Kinda shocking he get the 2nd lowest pay from the group since he is basically the show. I guess I kinda understand his point about being worried about people going to sponsors if he said something bad after the whole Stephano incident.
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So the assholes and drama whores of this community are why we aren't SoTG back? Sigh, about what I expected to be honest. I completely understand Geoff's reasoning and would probably make the same decision in his shoes. It just sucks that a couple of idiots can really ruin a decent community.

I'm trying to understand why stuff like this doesn't happen too often in the LoL subreddit. I mean the community is even bigger 155,949 compared to 117,937 from SC2 reddit. Every other week you see pros coming in and doing AMA's of their own volition, thanking the communty, Riot, and everyone else for their continued support and love. There is drama here and there but the mods quickly shut it down and even the pros have intervened at times.

Does the SC2 community just enjoy drama more? Is the audience that different? I honestly don't know.
 
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Corran Horn

May the Schwartz be with you
Pancakes said:
So the assholes and drama whores of this community are why we aren't SoTG back? Sigh, about what I expected to be honest. I completely understand Geoff's reasoning and would probably make the same decision in his shoes. It just sucks that a couple of idiots can really ruin a decent community.

I'm trying to understand why stuff like this doesn't happen too often in the LoL subreddit. I mean the community is even bigger 155,949 compared to 117,937 from SC2 reddit. Every other week you see pros coming in and doing AMA's of their own volition, thanking the communty, Riot, and everyone else for their continued support and love. There is drama here and there but the mods quickly shut it down and even the pros have intervened at times.

Does the SC2 community just enjoy drama more? Is the audience that different? I honestly don't know.
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Its probably moderated differently? I mean SC2 reddit was basically all just memes and drama for a year+ until they recently changed it. It promoted witch hunts while saying witch hunts were not allowed in its rules. Im guessing LoL mods are btter.
 
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Pancakes

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Corran Horn said:
Watching the video of JP he also wants to talk alot about HotS...that will be interesting since no one is playing it lol.
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I think QXC has played quite a bit of the older revisions.
 
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