Approximately one hour after he arrived in the hospital. However the police waited SEVEN minutes until they performed CPR at him. There were multiple chances of him getting out alive.
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Staten Island Grand Jury Does Not Indict in Eric Garner Case
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Don't go off topic on this thread, but I have to give a large LOL that you think that way.
Back on topic. What chance is there for a civil lawsuit in this case?
Seriously.
Seriously? you're reading the Post.
Every time a cop dies due to a criminal, I'll just blame it on the cop. He shouldn't have been a cop in the first place if he didn't want to die.
If that isn't grounds for a more thorough criminal investigation than I don't know what is.
A Human Becoming
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A lot of people think that way. Probable cause doesn't mean Wilson was guilty, it means there was enough evidence for a trial to determine if he was guilty.
Random Painted HIghway
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Well, the rub is when the person under arrest isn't wiling to submit to being arrested. There are plenty of scenarios under which unarmed nonthreatening citizens commit crimes and should be arrested. Unsurprisingly, not all folks are going to willingly be taken to the station, even if beforehand they are not exhibiting violence. How do we get those folks under arrest and moved to processing? I'm not saying chokeholds and other extreme measures, but there has to be some method of placing unwilling arrestees under arrest that involves some degree of force. court summons are only going to get you so far with even non violent crimes.
Considering some of the articles I've seen over the past 2 weeks the Onion will be out of the job if this keeps up.
New yorkers really need to stop buying that specific paper.
But all the evidence points to the fact he wasn't guilty of anything, he was protecting himself and a man that tried to physically beat and take a police officers gun was killed.
The Garner case is a travesty and there should have been an indictment. Unfortunately a pity party sways lots of people who let their emotions about a case take over instead of looking at things logically. :/
CrimsonCommie
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Edit: wrong thread to be debating mike brown
AyaisMUsikWhore
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It depends on what they are getting arrested for and most , if not all the time, they are not told but then pushed by force to be arrested. The question that is 99.9% asked is...
.."Why am I being arrested?"
It is their right to know, why they are being arrested. If you are arresting me because I cursed at you, that is my right. If you are arresting me because I said do not touch me, that is my right.
But when the table are turned, it's self defense. Well why can't it be self defense when someone is being detained for something they do not understand for what they are doing wrong? The natural human reaction to force is to defend. So why is it resisting for the people, self defense for cops? It's not fair and certainly not practical. We don't get to call it self defense.
So there should have been more 'too emotionally invested in race card' witnesses to lie because they were mad at the world to come on the stand so there could have been an unnecessary case? Awesome.
Maybe some grand jury members didn't indict because they felt pity for a cop but I guarantee none of them (who voted against pressing charges) felt like they could relate to Eric Garner.
They're a bunch dehumanizing shitheads. (yeah I get the irony in my statement to those who feel like making a pedantic response. Fuck off with your fake double standing ethics.)
In the case of Eric Garner, I fully agree. There was absolutely no reason for the man to die. The Grand Jury failed at life in this case.
CrimsonCommie
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Edit: again not the thread to be debating that. Sorry
CrazyDogg77
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Yeah this isn't even the thread
If that isn't grounds for a more thorough criminal investigation than I don't know what is.
no matter what you may think it is, actually it has proven to be a get-out-of-court/jail card
So gross to read this comments about how this isnt like Brown or Martin, its the same shit and it ended the same way, its just that your standards for what constitutes a bullshit decision are so unrealistic that you draw the line at "Steady footage of guy calmly dying via chocking by cop with commentary on the victim until he dies", you are effectively a part of the problem because this total eclipse of evidence wont be seeing again for a while now, meanwhile the rest of the unfair killings will be met with the usual victim blaming.
Why even feel compelled to bring it up in the first place? It feels like an admittance of your own bias that subconsciously forces you to acknowledge this pattern of deaths.
Why even feel compelled to bring it up in the first place? It feels like an admittance of your own bias that subconsciously forces you to acknowledge this pattern of deaths.
You have no right to not to be touch when you get arrested. With police getting cams it should be easy to see if someone is resisting or not.
Dangerous or not you still have to arrest someone that committed a crime. If you resist they have to take you down. It not like the police are just going to say while since you are resisting for this minor crime we are not going to arrest you.
It should be a higher crime. then people wouldnt do it. that how our system works. If a police officer wants to arrest you let him. You will still have your day in court. Being arrested doesnt mean you are guilty. Nothing goods comes from fighting a police officer.
Accountable to what standards? We have laws in this nation and both times they went in front of a jury of their peers. They couldn't find enough wrong to take it any farther.
There was enough contradicting reports to have a trial. None of what you're saying has anything to do with that fact. You know the response you're going to get to calling it a Pity party as well.
Its not cool to stir shit up. Well, no, its always cool to stir shit up. But at least have valid points. You said you'd "LOL" at anyone thinking there should be a trial for Brown. A lot of people do, including lawyers and judges: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/...-seeks-federal-charges-against-darren-wilson/
You understand that its nothing like what you're describing, 100%, at all..? All of your posts are tasteless.
so every witness that testified that Brown immediatly put up his hands( everyone barring witness 10 and 30) are 'too emotionally invested in race card' witnesses? You base that on what?
i think your comments here are pretty revealing about your own biases.
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and also, no, I don't think debunking the zombie lies from the Micheal Brown case is off-topic. You shouldn't let the absurd mental-gymnastics people go through to justify police force go unchallenged.
Except they didn't even test his gun for finger prints, almong a shit ton other holes in that case. But hey when your prosecutor doesn't want case to go to trial these things happen right?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html
Air Zombie Meat
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Police should be able to deal with some resistance without going completely ham on someone. People don't want to be arrested, ever, so a little resistance is to be expected. In this case the resistance seemed more of a token than dangerous. It's their job and you would hope their training would prepare them to deal with it in a reasonably safe way.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Yet, the cop didn't see not a day in court "With video evidence" lol. And yes the fuck I do have the right to not be touched. Umm what?!
Many people are arrested that HAS NOT committed a crime. Especially in this case where he has not committed a crime right then and there. And the cops were not there for him. they were there for a fight that broke out in which they were called for. Eric broke up the fight and they wanted to press him over charges that no longer applied to him. In easier words, they wanted to fuck with him..because they could. They had no reason, and made up some shit to justify why they had to detain him.
Once again, the natural human reaction is to defend. No one is going to be taken down by force willingly especially if they know they haven't done anything wrong.
There really is no use to even giving a proper rebuttal to this. Point blank period, I am not suppose to fear police and allow them to extort their power over me because they want to. And I know, with absolutely no doubt in my mind, I will not get a day in court dead or alive. Please don't give me this "Trust the system" bullshit when obviously, for years...that has never been the case. The system doesn't work and it will never work
This was a manslaughter and thy could of certainly charged him with something. Especially using illegal force that is banned by their own department. There's no suspension. There's no doc from pay. There's no unemployment. It's just work as usual. "Oh yeah, he dies. Typical work casualty. Moving along."
And in your paragraph above you are saying that "You will have your day in court"?
When? Please....
Lol at telling somebody not to go off topic when you started the off topic.
I don't see what you did there.
I commented on this thread, but was also curious to see who could actually comprehend the differences in the two cases and the ACTUAL travesty in this particular case and who was just blindly hive-minding the race train again.Listening to some talk radio during lunch, the following points are interesting with this case:
1. Eric Garner was selling loose cigs, this prompted some store owner to report this to police, as a result, police were specifically called out to Eric Garner for selling cigs, which in NYC is a crime (laughable in my opinion).
2. In the video, the one doing the filming says this is what happens when you try to break up a fight, you get arrested, I find that odd...nowhere in the video does it mention he's selling cigs.
3. Radio points out that just recently NYC passed a new law enforcement of making the selling of black market cigs a crime, thus what Eric Garner was doing was a crime.
4. Eric Garner was selling the cigs because he could barely get by with money.
5. The cops were called to the scene because Eric Garner was selling loose cigs illegally, the cops were SPECIFICALLY called to arrest Eric Garner for selling cigs.
6. Mainstream media is using this as a racial case.
7. The truthers are saying it's nothing to do with race, it's to do with NYC taxing the cigs so high and if a citizen is selling the cigs to people on the street, NYC is not getting the tax money from the cigs from additional selling, thus they're calling it a crime to do so.
In my opinion, it's NYC who should be charged with the death of Eric Garner. The choke hold was uncessarry, but beyond that, arresting the guy for selling cigs to people is hardly a crime in my opinion, but that's how it is in NYC.
1. Eric Garner was selling loose cigs, this prompted some store owner to report this to police, as a result, police were specifically called out to Eric Garner for selling cigs, which in NYC is a crime (laughable in my opinion).
2. In the video, the one doing the filming says this is what happens when you try to break up a fight, you get arrested, I find that odd...nowhere in the video does it mention he's selling cigs.
3. Radio points out that just recently NYC passed a new law enforcement of making the selling of black market cigs a crime, thus what Eric Garner was doing was a crime.
4. Eric Garner was selling the cigs because he could barely get by with money.
5. The cops were called to the scene because Eric Garner was selling loose cigs illegally, the cops were SPECIFICALLY called to arrest Eric Garner for selling cigs.
6. Mainstream media is using this as a racial case.
7. The truthers are saying it's nothing to do with race, it's to do with NYC taxing the cigs so high and if a citizen is selling the cigs to people on the street, NYC is not getting the tax money from the cigs from additional selling, thus they're calling it a crime to do so.
In my opinion, it's NYC who should be charged with the death of Eric Garner. The choke hold was uncessarry, but beyond that, arresting the guy for selling cigs to people is hardly a crime in my opinion, but that's how it is in NYC.
I don't see what you did there.
*rolls eyes*
Random Painted HIghway
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I believe the right to know what you are being arrested for at the moment you are being arrested is jurisdiction dependant. The arrestee will learn the charges at the arraignment later as consistent witht the U.S. constitution. The arresting officer may not even know himself what the charges are as he does not determine the charges, just the probable cause for arrest. Further, there are a ton of arrests wherein the arresting officer actually has no clue about anything other than there is an open warrant for charge x for the person, they literally know nothing other than who they are looking for.
Regarding the why and practicality, there is a forum by which legal disputes are resolved and that is not the location of the arrest.
I'm waiting for the mods to do it for me.
I don't see what you did there.
Why are you being this way Damian? Honestly. You have to know that this is just the wrong direction to go. You don't have the correct information about the GJ in the Mike Brown case. And you're still here trying to throw out things like hive minding the race train?
So far in NY, this has worked so far. They've received a lot of support after the protests last night.
Throwing signs at cops instigates cops and shows to other protesters it's okay to be violent. It shouldn't matter if cops have treated them badly, the protesters should act above the cops.
Why its so difficult to charge police officers who kill
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...to-charge-police-officers-who-kill/?tid=hp_mm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...to-charge-police-officers-who-kill/?tid=hp_mm
Gotdatmoney
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I don't see what you did there.
This is laughable, so much so that I don't even think you deserve a rebuttal.
DragonSworne
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So racist, moronic cops on a power trip get the benefit of doubt.
CrazyDogg77
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I don't see what you did there.
"Race train" so I see where we stand here
I don't view it as racism, it's power trips.
Cops are going overboard arresting someone and making these split-second decisions without considering other things.
It's no different than Eric Garner saying he can't breath. They probably told him to shut up too. The guy in the 80s who said please look in my wallet for his diabetic card, they told him to shut up. Those cops are insane to not take into consideration what's going on.
Well to me, it's like the other day when there was the chase scene that was posted on gaf. When the guy's truck crashed and flipped over, the police approached his vehicle with with three cops, one with a pistol, the other two with M4s...really?
I understand being paranoid but damn, sometimes I think they do go overboard.
I was pulled over one time for driving in Austin, Texas the wrong way on a one way street. I was visiting a friend, didn't have one single drink at all, I just didn't know my way around.
One cop pulled me over, he had a partner. The partner went to the passenger side of my vehicle, and the other cop spoke to me at the drivers window. He specifically asked me several questions of why am I here, why did I not see the cars pointed in one direction, where am I going, where am I from, etc. Then a second and third cop cars show up...now for a total of six cops....just for me being pulled over going the wrong way down a one way road.
That much back up for my little fck up? By the way, I'm white and they gave me a warning after 45 minutes of sitting there. Ridiculous yes, but I was patient with them. Excessive? Definitely.
Also, the other morning on the way to work, a guy was being arrested in a gas station parking lot around 6 AM, I counted six cop cars surrounding this guy...I think he was just a homeless drunk, but I'm thinking...six cop cars for this one dude?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/qa-an-nypd-officers-real-talk-on-garner-case.html
An interview with an NYPD cop speaking frankly about what lead to the whole Eric Garner fiasco.
An interview with an NYPD cop speaking frankly about what lead to the whole Eric Garner fiasco.
And the worst part is, on my Facebook, that's what the goal post has moved towards.
"If he had just complied he wouldn't be dead!"
Yeah I'm sure if many people had just ______ they wouldn't be dead. Jesus.
Or--here's a crazy thought--maybe we could somehow punish the behavior we actually want to stop here, cops killing innocent people?
Nah, too far.
I don't see what you did there.
I'll never understand this mindset ... just completely boggles the mind that people can be so heartless toward other human beings ...
oh for fuck's sake
Arizona Police Officer Shoots Dead Unarmed Black Man During Scuffle
http://pzfeed.com/arizona-police-officer-shoots-dead-unarmed-black-man-scuffle/
Arizona Police Officer Shoots Dead Unarmed Black Man During Scuffle
http://pzfeed.com/arizona-police-officer-shoots-dead-unarmed-black-man-scuffle/
Not trying to be a hard ass here, but when a cop says to do something, I'd just do it. Whether it's against my rights or not, I'm doing it, for my own life's sake. I'll fight the cop later, through non-physical means.
bob_arctor
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Well, except for the guy that was shot for getting his papers....after being asked to get his papers. Yeah.
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