Random side note, but I read somewhere that ginger cures nausea, so I decided to buy a bag of ginger chews and test the theory out while playing an FPS. Didn't help at all. The only thing that seems to help me is a one or two day adjustment period, before I can play a given FPS (or TPS) game without getting a headache + queasiness.
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STEAM 2013 Announcements & Updates: 6, GFWL: 0 | Number of hours played bugged
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What are those Leapfrog toys running on?
SolidSnakeUS
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Thank god for a GTX 680 haha.
Kittens and puppy guts.
Baron von Loathsome
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I'm not exactly a GTA fan, either, but I'm looking forward to that GTA V port, too.
I'm going to need a new video card just for the screenshot thread :\
Try those motion sickness patches.
DexterPepper
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I should try that for Kairo. I can't even make it 15 minutes without having to go horizontal.
Try hanging upside down on monkey bars or your bed for a few minutes.
We'll make it through this fellow keyboard warrior. This nightmarish world where Valve controls all facets of desktop PC's and home consoles. They were really the combine all along, life is imitating art. Where is our Gordon Freeman.
Seriously though, how does Valve introducing an operating system optimized for gaming(a landscape currently dominated by Microsoft) equate to your comment of: "if Valve controlled both the OS and the DD side of PC Gaming, that would less of a monopoly situation how exactly?" --Why propose this hypothetical? Valve isn't going to completely consume either landscape. They're giving you more options.
I take ginger when I get nauseous and it works wonders for me. Altoids, ginger jelly, straight up ginger root. Love that stuff.
It doesnt work... but thanks anyway.
But we see what happens when people have too many options. Look at how many people in this thread, when confronted with their Steam backlogs, look at those hundreds of games and just can't choose which one to play. We're looking at an OSpocalypse, man.
>.>
SteveWinwood
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Don't make this all cliquey.
Honestly I don't care much about the monopoly math in this case at all, I just thought it odd to call out Microsoft for a monopoly on PC gaming when Steam is locking it down so tight it may never escape.
My fears with this SteamOS thing are very specific and really begin and end with its possible unintended effects to the PC gaming market. I'm worried that we'll end up with yet another walled garden console. The fact that Linux is open is a strong salve to that fear but the pressure will be to evolve SteamOS over time in a way to make it more and more gaming specific. Linux is already a very poor choice for my other computing needs and I don't see this doing much to make it better. Maybe if Valve's application store was doing better?
Maybe everyone else will be happy with 2 machines or dual booting between OSes or whatever, but I reserve my right to be a grumpy old man on this one.
Of All Trades
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That speaks poorly for this thread.
I wasn't trying to make it cliquey, and I'm not really sure what that data means.
My first impression was that makes the majority of the posts in the SteamOS thread possibly coming from console centric posters. Or people who don't fully understand the PC gaming side of the equation.
Why is that the case?
Not wanting to have to try and be the voice of reason to people with the IQ of a slug that are foaming at the mouth and yelling at the top of their voices speaks poorly for us?
Awesome
Nice. I spent about 20 hours playing the game this weekend. While I do enjoy it, the 25 FPS is unbearable. I seriously can't fathom how reviews managed to get past the awful performance, it's a huge dealbreaker. The already clunky ass combat and movement is made way worse by this. Thinking about just selling my copy and waiting for PC version now that my appetite for the game is satisfied.
ashecitism
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btw can we expect SteamOS to be 64bit?
Oh god, if they make a 32 bit version I may go on a murder spree.
they are totally going to have both 32bit and 64bit versions because third world.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Going much further than the observation could descend into overly cliquey behavior, but it does highlight the disconnect that exists because people in that thread think Valve wants to be Microsoft or Sony.
We generally don't have that line of thought in here because we know the ingrained philosophy of the company because we follow it so closely.
Monopoly? Steam has fostered a strong competition on the PC side through the Steamworks business model.
They literally do not take a cut of a sale if sold on another storefront. While allowing the game to be activated on their client and taking the download/infrastructure costs that come with it.
Huge businesses have spawned through Steamworks and heavy price competition because of it.
Not to mention the competing clients like Uplay, GOG, Origin, and Battlenet that take a percentage of the market. Though, I would argue that use of those platforms are not mutually exclusive among the player base.
If it were a monopoly, you would see Valve shut down Steamworks entirely. Every sale, no matter the storefront, giving a cut to Valve.
Robert J. Sullivan
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After seeing how framerate was never mentionned in reviews and players saying smooth framerate and all I was very surprised when I started playing.
I mean, I get that the game looks great and that this kind of framerate is standard for GTA games but honestly don't go saying stuff like smooth framerate when you can't even hit 30 fps 90% of the time while driving/flying. I guess I'll stick with what I've been doing this whole time for user/journos reviews : just watch a gameplay video with no commentaries.
But Steam does has a near monopoly on PC DD. Just because they haven't abused it yet doesn't mean it isn't true. They could do some nasty wicked evil things if they were so inclined and only the DOJ/FTC and whatever their non-US equivalents are could really stop them.
Because they haven't been evil yet they have strongly fostered PC game development, yes I agree, but they still have an effective monopoly on the digital distribution. How hard would GMG et al be hit if suddenly Valve decided not to sell steam keys through them anymore?
To be completely fair I believe that GOG is really honestly co-existing with Steam but I think that they are far more niche.
Stumpokapow
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Not super relevant--Linux kernel can address 36-bits (64 GB of RAM) through extensions so the only major issue would be the 4GB per-process limit which is not likely to be an issue in the next 5 years
Got several keys from SteamGAF over the past couple weeks so I grabbed an extra copy of the Groupees bundle for you guys. Good luck!
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Good thing they support Windows 8 with all their games still despite even Gabe's vicious statements about the OS. One of the biggest reasons SteamOS even exists is because of Microsoft's handling of Windows 8 and trying to enforce their store on all developers on PC.
They're not locking it down "so tight it'll never escape"--They're giving you an OPTION. You don't need to install SteamOS, you can continue using Windows all you want. Now if the market strives more and more into SteamOS's territory, that's another thing entirely. However competition should never be hailed as a bad thing, hell maybe just like what happened with the Xbone, Microsoft will realize their OS is currently very unappealing to a lot of people and they'll revise it some.
We also know absolutely nothing about the "Steambox", it's probably not even a traditional console. All their mentions of Streaming suggests it could be something more akin to Onlive.
Of All Trades
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It implies that this thread is inhibiting discussion.
That thread is approaching 2000 posts and can't be as easily defined the way you are trying. I'd also argue that you imagine you know Valve's philosophy, but that given their apparent business/employee structure actually pinning it down is nearly impossible.
I'm no Linux guy but I was under the impression that Ubuntu has a 64bit version, at least.
Yes, but will it remain that way? Even if I trusted Valve to never force the issue (which, incidentally, I do) I don't believe the market will support both windows and steamos at the same time for very long.
If you play games on PC, there is an overwhelming chance that you do so through Valve. That is what I mean by locking down the PC gaming market. Its already happened, they are just attempting to secure their footing with this move. I agree that as a kick in Microsoft's ass this is very appealing.
Dollars to donuts its just a pre-configured PC.
If Valve pulls a '180' and changes their policy completely, then we can have that discussion.
An 'effective monopoly' due to a slippery slope, doesn't make it an actual monopoly.
Tossing around in the mud is the opposite of good discussion.
SteveWinwood
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How easy would it be to theoretically "fix" that limit? What would need to be done? Are we talking complete rewrites or a small update?
Thanks for Greed Corp.! I have a friend who played this like it was his job back when it first came out. I'm anxious to see how it is.
Everyone who got Jamestown should give it a shot ASAP. It's a fantastic shmup. Playing it with an arcade stick takes it to a whole new level, too.
C00kie M0nster
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Awesome! Thanks man!
It always reminded me of what it might be like to have the Kool-Aid man vomit directly into my mouth. It didn't taste offensive or anything, but it was kind of an unsettling sensation. Distressing, almost.
Man, you know I really like you as a poster (and if you didn't, you do now), but I'd rather you didn't release your frustration upon other SteamGAFfers here :/
You can always reply in a smart way without having to resort to those cheap tactics. Why do it now, and here?
arts&crafts
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Thanks Cody_D! I got Vessel!
That's my fetish.
Orbitz was just ahead of its time. Now boba tea is everyone's shit, while us OG Orbitz drinkers have be sucking down little balls for years.
I think we have two different definitions of monopoly here. The definition of monopoly to me has everything to do with a single entity's share of the market, not how they use it. They could be giving away all the games for free and paying other distributor's electric bills, they'd still be a monopoly to me. Almost all PC gaming goes through Steam one way or the other and Valve is sitting next to the levers that control the world. They are PC gaming.
My use of 'effective' was just to say that there are other players but they are so small as to be negligible.
Of All Trades
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The quality of discussion is irrelevant if all discussion is inhibited. Maybe you should clarify why you posted the posting data in the first place. What relevance did it have for this thread?
Stallion Free
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I cant wait till someone gets a hold of these numbers for a SteamOS vs. 8gb of gddr5 thread.
Awesome
My GTX Titan has been waiting for this day. BRING IT ON!
Is this true though? Is the linux kernel not truly 64 bit? I'm a bit shocked if so.
SteveWinwood
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I want a SteamOS vs AppleTV vs VitaTV vs PS4 vs XBO vs Ouya thread now.
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If only I had a good way to Trojan horse this information into the right minds....
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
... I was joking. Or, rather, being snarky about my snark. I wasn't frustrated or actually taking frustration out on anyone.
I thought the juxtaposition of snark and immediately supplying a reasoned, sensible point of discussion would reinforce the gag.
ashecitism
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We don't know what Valve went with. Linux has 64bit versions.
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