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[wazoo]

I'm pretty happy that I managed to snag NWN2 on its last sale before removal. Definitely helps to just take the plunge even if you're not going to be playing it for a while sometimes.

I missed for a few days.

It is still available on impulse but I will double dip on a Gog release.

 

[wazoo]

Prey is probably the strangest case, because it's no longer sold via DD anywhere, but 2K still occasionally prints retail copies (Edit: for budget labels rather than its own)

I bought it at retail too last month. But I hate the old "- install from DVD - remove not working old DRM - patch it manually" and so on. I do not care about Origin vs Steam but I am all for Digital releases without DRM or with at most account based DRM.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I bought it at retail too last month. But I hate the old "- install from DVD - remove not working old DRM - patch it manually" and so on. I do not care about Origin vs Steam but I am all for Digital releases without DRM or with at most account based DRM.

Uh, didn't your copy include a steam key?

 

[wazoo]

Uh, didn't your copy include a steam key?

No, Prey came with an old DRM. Maybe new reprints are coming with steam keys.

 

[Glass Rebel]

No, Prey came with an old DRM. Maybe new reprints are coming with steam keys.

That must have been an old ass copy you bought then. I got mine months ago (last year?) and it had one. :/

 

[wazoo]

That must have been an old ass copy you bought then. I got mine months ago (last year?) and it had one. :/

I got it very cheap.

 

[Cyberquake]

No, Prey came with an old DRM. Maybe new reprints are coming with steam keys.

You can activate your Prey retail cd-key on steam. I didn't notice any DRM in Prey, I installed it once, finished, activated the key on steam to add it to my library and never installed it again...

 

[wazoo]

Uh, didn't your copy include a steam key?

THat also why I stopped buying games at retail too, even steamworks games.

You buy a game, then you pay sometimes for shipping cost for the box, then you open it and you get a steam key with a useless DVD and you payd for the shipping costs. After a few stories like that I went all for the digital download road.

 

[wazoo]

You can activate your Prey retail cd-key on steam. I didn't notice any DRM in Prey, I installed it once, finished, activated the key on steam to add it to my library and never installed it again...

I will try.

EDIT : except it is not available on the PAL store ..

 

[Cyberquake]

I will try.

EDIT : except it is not available on the PAL store ..

I'm in PAL territory, purchased my retail copy in a PAL store, activated it on my steam account with no problems...

http://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7480-wusf-3601

"Prey CD Keys in this format: AAB1BB2C345CDD6E E7"

 

[wazoo]

I did not tried, just checked that Prey was not available.

I will try my CD key tonight.

 

[Lord British]

I was very lucky with Prey - I bought a copy from a charity shop for 10p, and the CD key wasn't used. Activated it on Steam with no hassle.

 

[benjipwns]

I did not tried, just checked that Prey was not available.

I will try my CD key tonight.

Prey isn't available in any Steam store, it has to do with the whole Triton debacle and how they never made more keys.

I'm glad I got Wolfenstein 09 and Prey but fuck whoever removed NWN2 and Outrun

Neverwinter Nights 2 got removed because Atari lost the license.

 

[MNC]

Yeah, that's exactly how I got it. +1£ shipping fee. It'd be really easy to get it if any of my Steam brethren wants it.

I'd like that, actually. How much are they in total?

 

[YianGaruga]

Yeah, that's exactly how I got it. +1£ shipping fee. It'd be really easy to get it if any of my Steam brethren wants it.

So this version includes a Steam compatible CD key? Bought.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I'd like that, actually. How much are they in total?

£4.95/€6.23/$7.97 (according to my Swiss bank)

Shoot me a PM and I'll look into it.

So this version includes a Steam compatible CD key? Bought.

Mine did, yes.

 

[YianGaruga]

£4.95/€6.23/$7.97 (according to my Swiss bank)

Shoot me a PM and I'll look into it.



Mine did, yes.

But it says dispatched within a month. :/ Oh well.
Also, I think zavii has free international shipping. Didn't charge me at least.

 

[Boss Doggie]

But the default skin is dudebro!

Oooooooh wow O_O

Hahahahahaha!

Oh god...

I think I need... to breath...

On the bright side we can be Steam hipsters.

"Oh this old thing? I'm just playing Left 4 Dead on Steam, you've probably never heard of it."

Then again would that mean we're apple people?

Yes, you are right. There are only 50 millions Steam users and it increases constantly. Probably by christmas, they will have passed the ps3 userbase for comparison and even the NES.

Still not for a common man though. And mind you it also accounts duplicates and unused accounts.

 

[Glass Rebel]

But it says dispatched within a month. :/ Oh well.
Also, I think zavii has free international shipping. Didn't charge me at least.

It does? My bad, last time I ordered sonething it charged me 1£.

 

[YianGaruga]

It does? My bad, last time I ordered sonething it charged me 1£.

It's a somewhat recent change.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Oh fuck you're right. I checked my account and Prey didn't have a fee when I ordered it but the order before that did.

 

[YianGaruga]

It would be even cheaper and faster if someone from the UK could order this from Amazon instead of zavvi.

 

[ngt]

Just wait for them to go on sale. I got mine for £1 or something. But if you do want to get it now, feel free to PM me.

 

[1-D_FTW]

But the default skin is dudebro!

:lol

I could have certainly accepted Commie Grey as a correct answer, but Dude Bros grey? Bzz. Sorry. Unless I've been morphed to Bizzaro world where grey is suddenly cool.

I'm glad I got Wolfenstein 09 and Prey but fuck whoever removed NWN2 and Outrun

I'm sure Outrun had to do with the Ferrari license expiring. At least the were kind enough to have a "Fuck You" sale and put it on sale for 2.00 dollars just before it had to get pulled.

 

[wazoo]

Still not for a common man though. And mind you it also accounts duplicates and unused accounts.

ps3 userbase (or another console) is not all active too.

I bought 1 Fat and 2 slims too, so count -2 for the total ps3 userbase too

 

[JaseC]

Prey isn't available in any Steam store, it has to do with the whole Triton debacle and how they never made more keys.

Triton was a digital distribution service, not a publisher. It biting the dust is not why keys for the DD version dried up -- it's entirely an oddball decision by 2K, the game's original and current publisher. From the 3D Realms website:

As you are probably aware, when Prey launched, it was with a digital distribution method called Triton. Back in October, the Triton service shut down, and there has been no digital distribution method available for Prey since then.

That changes today with the news that starting right now, Prey is available via Steam! As you probably know, Steam is Valve software's digital distribution method of games, both their own and others. 2K Games has recently signed on to publish games through Steam digitally, and Prey is the latest in that line. So if you are looking to buy a copy of Prey, you can do that at the Steam website. If you are an existing Prey customer (either through Triton or through a retail box copy), then there are options available for you, too

 

[Stallion Free]

9 times out of 10 a game is removed because of the loss of rights. Ghostbusters, NWN2, and Wolf 2009 were all clearly taken down for this reason.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Whoa, NWN2 was removed in Steam? *checks*

Oh shit you're right! Glad I managed to snag Platinum before it went kaput.

Though when you refer to GB you mean the new game and not the Slime one yes?

 

[JaseC]

9 times out of 10 a game is removed because of the loss of rights. Ghostbusters, NWN2, and Wolf 2009 were all clearly taken down for this reason.

Atari is still publishing Ghostbusters '09 outside of Steam. In fact it's half off over at GamersGate right now.

 

[Ledsen]

buttttt when will NWN2 be available digitally again? Who owns the rights? It's so expensive on Ebay in comparison...

 

[Stallion Free]

Atari is still publishing Ghostbusters '09 outside of Steam. In fact it's half off over at GamersGate right now.

I expect it to be removed shortly. Acti ran those last minute sales on Wolf 09 before the rights dropped.

 

[Archie]

Still not for a common man though. And mind you it also accounts duplicates and unused accounts.

Actually it doesn't. ~50m is the active user base (an account with a purchased game/DLC and has logged in the past month). Valve explicitly says active accounts when doing PR releases.

Granted I know some people who have dozens accounts for TF2 smurfing purposes so the numbers are slightly skewed, but probably not in any significant fashion.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Still not for a common man though. And mind you it also accounts duplicates and unused accounts.

No it doesn't.

I don't know why you keep thinking this.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[1-D_FTW]

No it doesn't.

I don't know why you keep thinking this.

Edit: Beaten.

Probably because he's used to PR being complete fabrications. Have to commend Valve for taking an honest approach with these things, though.

Actually it doesn't. ~50m is the active user base (an account with a purchased game/DLC and has logged in the past month). Valve explicitly says active accounts when doing PR releases.

Granted I know some people who have dozens accounts for TF2 smurfing purposes so the numbers are slightly skewed, but probably not in any significant fashion.

But you'd have to be logged into TF2, correct? If so, the TF2 game numbers aren't very high and certainly don't account for those numbers. Not even to a small degree.

 

[wazoo]

Granted I know some people who have dozens accounts for TF2 smurfing purposes so the numbers are slightly skewed, but probably not in any significant fashion.

Multiple accounts is an hardcore action. I bet it is not what most of almost all people do. Even more considering that the active userbase is for the last months, you have to discount anyone having multiple accouts but only touching one in the last few months.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Probably because he's used to PR being complete fabrications. Have to commend Valve for taking an honest approach with these things, though.

I was referring to the strange woe is me why is steam not bigger thing. I don't get it.

 

[1-D_FTW]

I was referring to the strange woe is me why is steam not bigger thing. I don't get it.

Oh. I thought you were referring to why he falsely assumed the PR was playing fast and loose.

 

[JaseC]

I expect it to be removed shortly. Acti ran those last minute sales on Wolf 09 before the rights dropped.

Yeah, I suppose it's possible that the copies available elsewhere are simply old stock. Time will tell!

 

[Interfectum]

But the default skin is dudebro!

 

[honorless]

But the default skin is dudebro!

Man, I know we've laughed this post off already but I feel COMPELLED to say something about how misguided dock is. Is Steam's presentation "masculine"? Sure. But so is every sports anything ever, and that sure doesn't stop millions of women from being fans. Dark colors, squared-off shapes or an overall "masculine look" aren't what put me off about venturing into male-dominated spaces like comic shops, conventions and "hardcore" (ugh) gaming. It's the creepy assholes therein creating an atmosphere of hostility, or even danger.

But you literally do not ever have to interact with another person in order to use Steam, so there's nothing to be put off by. Unless you're unused to navigating complex interfaces on a computer. Now that would be something to be concerned about as a developer, because Steam's complexity and the level of technical skill required to use it are barriers to mainstream adoption.

...But frankly, I don't think it's possible to drop the barrier to entry that low without creating a closed system. (It'll be interesting to see how Win8 turns out.)

 

[Boss Doggie]

Actually it doesn't. ~50m is the active user base (an account with a purchased game/DLC and has logged in the past month). Valve explicitly says active accounts when doing PR releases.

Granted I know some people who have dozens accounts for TF2 smurfing purposes so the numbers are slightly skewed, but probably not in any significant fashion.

No it doesn't.

I don't know why you keep thinking this.

Edit: Beaten.

Hmm all right, I always thought they never provide sources

But still, I really don't expect the common lowest denominator to know steam. It's just that gut feeling. And sometimes it's for the best.

 

[1-D_FTW]

Hmm all right, I always thought they never provide sources

But still, I really don't expect the common lowest denominator to know steam. It's just that gut feeling. And sometimes it's for the best.

But CoD is Steamworks.

*rimshot*

 

[RionaaM]

Prey is probably the strangest case, because it's no longer sold via DD anywhere, but 2K still occasionally prints retail copies (Edit: for budget labels rather than its own), at least in the UK.

Actually it is. I bought it last month from Gamersgate, and they sent me a key which could be redeemed on Steam, and a downloader for the game (I guess it's for the DMR-free version, but I only cared about getting it on Steam). For 5 euros it's not expensive at all.

 

[JaseC]

Actually it is. I bought it last month from Gamersgate, and they sent me a key which could be redeemed on Steam, and a downloader for the game (I guess it's for the DMR-free version, but I only cared about getting it on Steam). For 5 euros it's not expensive at all.

Oh, nice, and rather interesting.

 

[Sinatar]

While it sucks that NWN2 was pulled as it's a great game, if that means that Atari has *finally* lost the D&D license then we can all be super happy.

Such a great license wasted on such a crap publisher.

 

[YianGaruga]

Actually it is. I bought it last month from Gamersgate, and they sent me a key which could be redeemed on Steam, and a downloader for the game (I guess it's for the DMR-free version, but I only cared about getting it on Steam). For 5 euros it's not expensive at all.

I can't find Prey on GG, seems like they removed it.

 

[1-D_FTW]

I can't find Prey on GG, seems like they removed it.

Google search it. Thought the same thing.

 

[YianGaruga]

Google search it. Thought the same thing.

http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DD-PREY/prey
Well, it has no button to buy it. :/

 

[1-D_FTW]

http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DD-PREY/prey
Well, it has no button to buy it. :/

Missed that. Guess that's why I couldn't get it to show up in normal search

 

[RionaaM]

http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DD-PREY/prey
Well, it has no button to buy it. :/

That's strange, I bought it last month without a single problem. Can't check the site from work, but have you tried choosing another country?