Gunplay is excellent, actually. It has a slew of other issues though.
MP2's still king.
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Gunplay is excellent, actually. It has a slew of other issues though.
MP2's still king.
The Wizard
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I played the first two max payne games for the first time this year, and I would say it made Max Payne 3 less enjoyable for me personally. A lot of the charm feels missing and the game is way too dense with cutscenes. The gunplay is nice though, although mechanically they didn't really build much upon the first 2.
Rickenslacker
Banned
See, Max Payne 2 is awesome.After finishing Max Payne I didn't want to start MP2 so soon, just take a short glimpse...
Finished it earlier today.
Gawddamn.
*walks away*
*turns*
Gawddamn.
1 was already great but MP2 had some of the most intense shootouts. Shootdodging through a door, down the stairs fucking up cleaners in the hospital was so good.
I could have done without the escort missions but I didn't mind them as much. Nightmare sequences were also much better than MP1 because they had no fucking shitty platforming.
I'm not sure whether I want to move to MP3 just yet. Honestly, after reading some posts on GAF I don't think I can live with a non-noir Max Payne
MP3 has some great shooting, arguably the best in the series; but yeah the tone, writing, and atmosphere are not the same and misses the mark. It's a Rockstar game.
And as great as the combat feels in MP3, it's marred by the fact that you're going to be running into a lot of unskippable cutscenes. Makes replaying the game a real chore.
After finishing Max Payne I didn't want to start MP2 so soon, just take a short glimpse...
Finished it earlier today.
Gawddamn.
*walks away*
*turns*
Gawddamn.
1 was already great but MP2 had some of the most intense shootouts. Shootdodging through a door, down the stairs fucking up cleaners in the hospital was so good.
I could have done without the escort missions but I didn't mind them as much. Nightmare sequences were also much better than MP1 because they had no fucking shitty platforming.
I'm not sure whether I want to move to MP3 just yet. Honestly, after reading some posts on GAF I don't think I can live with a non-noir Max Payne
As a person who grew up and still loves MP1+2 for their atmosphere: MP3 is basically
Cutscene: The Game - written by Dan Houser*
*meaning idiotic douchebag characters with no redeeming qualities
After finishing Max Payne I didn't want to start MP2 so soon, just take a short glimpse...
Finished it earlier today.
Gawddamn.
*walks away*
*turns*
Gawddamn.
1 was already great but MP2 had some of the most intense shootouts. Shootdodging through a door, down the stairs fucking up cleaners in the hospital was so good.
I could have done without the escort missions but I didn't mind them as much. Nightmare sequences were also much better than MP1 because they had no fucking shitty platforming.
I'm not sure whether I want to move to MP3 just yet. Honestly, after reading some posts on GAF I don't think I can live with a non-noir Max Payne
Yup, Remedy improved very good with MP2. Now make the same with Alan Wake 2 and I will be in heaven.
Deputy Dangle
Member
This was the same as me this year. I adored MP2, but MP3 just didn't do anything for me.
ftfy.
I think it's imperative now that all games have a demo, there is no excuse imho with all the digital distribution set up for it on every format, hell even many iOS games have them ("lite" version) and they are less than $1/£1 on average.
MDSLKTR
Member
MP3 will be the benchmark for shooting mechanics for years to come. Seriously. People can say what they want about the game (It's my goty and I'm a huge max payne nut) but no one can say anything about the gameplay. Playing uncharted after felt like playing an action game on a ipad.
Ingueferroque
Banned
When is Hotline Miami out on Steam?
Pretty sure Torchlight 2's demo is the full game, at least I know you can unlock the game from the demo...
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Thanks for collecting that data!
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I would guess it's a development resources thing. With MS, you upload essentially one game and then write in a check for whether or not the user has authorization for the full game or just the demo. With Steam, I think demos are totally separate packages. Also, since the demo would lack the one-click convert-to-purchase ability that XBLA has--at least not by default, although maybe it's possible?, the impact of demos would also be much much more muted.
I don't think it's one-click, but I seem to recall a good many Steam demos automatically forcing you to the store page once the demo ended (or at least giving you the option), so they try to make it seamless.
Hell Yeah! has that in-game purchase button (although I'm not sure where through) . Pretty sure Rochard had this (definitely had the ability to continue your demo save with the full game). Quantum Conundrum was another recent demo I believe had a purchase button. And as you stated, plenty others. Although you sound like they're taking a person to the Steam store, where I'm more referencing external stores (some demos have taken me onto their website upon exiting).
Cynically, it's possible this is why Valve doesn't require demos. It seems like it's too resource heavy to require someone make two separate games. So that would mean developers would just make a demo out of the full game. And if you're gonna do that, why would you not include a purchase button? I've never actually done a purchase in-game, but I would assume the majority of sales goes through the developer's website.
So, in a way, this would kind of encourage more sales outside of Steam. I personally believe most sales would still go through Steam and since demos would encourage sales, it would most assuredly be a net gain for Valve. But if you want to look at Steam cynically, you could put on your tinfoil hat and run with that conspiracy theory.
Is the Game Info a new thing in the Steamworks API? Until now I've only seen the server status and scoreboard for people playing Source games, but I accidentally clicked "View Game Info" on a friend playing Darksiders II and it says stuff like "has died 113 times", "is traversing a path in (place)", similar to what GFWL does. Neat.
As a fan of the original games, I still liked MP3 a lot. It's not the best game ever, it's not the same as the previous ones, but Max is still Max, and the game is fun and has awesome shootouts. I paid 30 bucks for it and ended up completely satisfied, both with the game and the purchase.After finishing Max Payne I didn't want to start MP2 so soon, just take a short glimpse...
Finished it earlier today.
Gawddamn.
*walks away*
*turns*
Gawddamn.
1 was already great but MP2 had some of the most intense shootouts. Shootdodging through a door, down the stairs fucking up cleaners in the hospital was so good.
I could have done without the escort missions but I didn't mind them as much. Nightmare sequences were also much better than MP1 because they had no fucking shitty platforming.
I'm not sure whether I want to move to MP3 just yet. Honestly, after reading some posts on GAF I don't think I can live with a non-noir Max Payne
The Grim Heaper
Member
Daily Deal is Starpoint Gemini 66% off.
More like yesterday, but yeah.
I need to see that price at least halved by the way, I already have it on the Wii and it's not as good as Runner.
Glass Rebel
Member
The last few posts about Max Payne 3 basically confirm, again, my fears about the game. Oh well.
Sadly,even though I like it a lot, Alan Wake is no replacement for Max Payne. :/
Sadly,even though I like it a lot, Alan Wake is no replacement for Max Payne. :/
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
MP3 is noir as hell. They literally hit every trope in the genre. Looks damn good too, and the gameplay is more or less what I remember MP being. Not sure where the hate for that game is coming from.
spindoctor
Member
Agreed. I was pretty apprehensive about the change in setting and theme but they pulled it off, the levels are detailed and gorgeous and the gunplay is absolutely classic Max Payne. It has some issues, specifically with the overuse of cinematics, but it's a damn fine game nonetheless.
Giant Bomb complained that in MP3 you're essentially forced to sometimes to do the standard TPS "stay in cover, pop out to shoot" thing instead of just running as fast as you can through each stage, constantly throwing yourself to the ground while popping fools in slo-mo and generally not giving a fuck. Is that not true?
spindoctor
Member
The game usually ends a cinematic and starts an encounter with you hiding behind cover, but after that I found that you don't really need to use the cover system all that much. Sure, I'd still use pillars and objects to LOS enemies and take cover like you did in the first game without actually using the cover system, but I think that's okay. There are certain encounters though where you will need to use it though, like when you're being attacked by an APC. It's not a primary mechanic for the game like it is in a Gears of War, just an option which you can ignore most of the time. This was on normal difficulty though, I imagine things might be different on highest unlockable difficulties where you have to play a lot more carefully.
YianGaruga
Banned
Nope. Can't be activated.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The Wizard
Member
I'm still pissed I missed that game when it went for $2 over a year ago.
DRM
Yes I saw that, but I was hoping that the key could work. Oh well...
Stupid windows 7. I keep getting messages about low performance after I exit Civ 5 and if I want to change color schemes or whatever. Does that happen to anyone else? I guess people with behemoth computers with GTX 680s need not answer here.
I think it only happens when I uncover most of the tiles on the map I'm playing. I don't remember it happening like when I first start the game for example.
I think it only happens when I uncover most of the tiles on the map I'm playing. I don't remember it happening like when I first start the game for example.
jaundicejuice
Member
One of the things that bugged me about Max Payne 3 was shoot dodging didn't feel empowering like it did in the first two games. I dunno, it's been a long time since I played the Remedy Max Payne's but I don't recall this being a problem in either. In MP3 the most banal shit, like an office chair or a desk you should slide over, can knock Max out of a shoot dodge. Then Euphoria kicks in, I guess, and you watch Max hit the banal object, crumple and slowly, awkwardly, get back on to his feet all the while getting shot. Some environments are super cramped too and just filled with objects that can end a shoot dodge. You learn how and where to shoot dodge but they just should have added some logic that made Max, glide or knock over most objects in the world while shoot dodging for the sake of bad-assery.
YianGaruga
Banned
Yeah that happens to me on some games. I believe it's when your (video-)RAM gets full while playing a game. Don't know if its my 4GB RAM or 1GB VRAM, although both need an upgrade.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I think Max Payne 3 is the best Max Payne game and it's not even that close. It's also just a great action game. The shooting is very satisfying, it's challenging, and the production values are through the roof.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
MP's health system doesn't really support run and gun at the higher difficulties. Even in the original. You have to play smart and use all the tools available to you. Shoot dodging is crucial but situational. As is stop and pop.
Yeah my GPU is a gtx 470 with about 1.2gb VRAM so I think it's more that then normal RAM (I have 6gb there). The game runs fine even on high settings and some AA, but I guess something in Windows 7 goes off when I'm playing a really large map and have 70%+ of the tiles uncovered. It doesn't seem to have a negative affect on my PC, like it doesn't run any slower after I quit the game so I guess I'll just ignore it.
Yep, it's the game I like the least from the saga. Still good, but doesn't hold a candle to Beat, Void, Runner or Flux.
On hard, there were some encounters where I was pretty much forced to stay behind cover, but as you said, that was only with fully armored guys, or when surrounded by heavily armed thugs. And that happened like only 5 times in the whole game. The rest of the time you'll be running and shootdodging in slow-mo.
microtubule
Member
Yes, I just got sick of it and created a theme under personalization called "Less Memory". Whenever I am going to run an intensive game I just swtich to this theme. Basically a color scheme not using Windows Aero and I haven't had a problem since.
I have 8GB of memory, C2Q processor but the video card is a Radeon 6570 with 1GB of video memory.
xenoflux2113
Member
It hasn't happened to me playing Civ 5 but I have had it happen on Batman:AC and Saint's Row 3rd. I just set my desktop to not use aero and forgot about it. I was wondering what caused it as I have 8GB of RAM and 2 GTX 560s with 1GB on each, I thought I would have enough to not have an issue.
I'm not sure whether I want to move to MP3 just yet. Honestly, after reading some posts on GAF I don't think I can live with a non-noir Max Payne
Max Payne 3 is GOTY so far. I love that fucking game
ALWAYS baffled at these comments by the GiantBomb guys. If I had to guess i'd say it's because they played it with a gamepad.
I played the game on the hardest difficulty from the get go on PC, and I took cover maybe twice. I played it the same way I played MP1 and 2.
Alright so basically whatever MS put that tracks that stuff is awful and can't track correctly for shit. I have SR3 and AC as well and I don't get it for those and I have a worse PC than Xeno. Every time it comes up I hit the bottom option which is don't change anything and stop bothering me but it doesn't even listen to that so...whatever I guess :lol.
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