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STEAM Announcements & Updates 2014 - To Next-Gen and Beyond!
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It's not that you're bad, it's just that your character isn't overpowered enough!
hmm so I just have to keep playing (dying) until my character grows and gets overpowered?
Yeah Rogue Legacy is basically just a big grind-fest. There used to be exploits that let you kill bosses easily but they've been patched out
dark_inferno
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Just played a few minutes Just Cause 2 MP... its so damn good.
Yup!
I suck at this kind of games (confirmed by Valdis
) and went like this:1) omfg this is hard
2) omfg I got to the second area and died in the first second
3) ok, i'm gonna grind a little just so I can easily explore the first area
4) ok, the first boss is killed and the first area is cleared, let's try the second
5) well, it's way easier than what I remembered
And from there I was actually skilled enough to find my way around without crying in fear every two rooms.
Just use as soon as you can the double jump and flying skills (I saw someone suggesting the dash, but I never, not even once, used it, so I don't know) and then up your basic (HP/armor/attack/etc.) values.
Or, if you want a more "organic" growth, up whatever you want to unlock everything and when you feel you need some boost, grind for a couple of times the areas you feel fine clearing and upgrade HP/armor/attack/etc.
Well it is but... there is two side to the same coin. In theory you can simply brute force your way through the game by grinding, sure. And it doesn't sound much fun said like that. But... In reality, as a gamer and not a mindless robot, you try your best each time you do a run through the castle. That's a difference to take into consideration.
So yes, Rogue Legacy is a grind-fest, but if you like what the game has to offer, non, it does rarely feels like work.
In fact, the most boring the game has been for me is strangely when you are near its end.
Yeah Rogue Legacy is basically just a big grind-fest. There used to be exploits that let you kill bosses easily but they've been patched out
Everytime I read that RL is a grinding game, I can't avoid thinking that this way people may think of it like a JRPG where you just gatling-push X to level up.
Actually, while grinding is clearly an important part of the game, it CAN be challenging.
Of course if you keep roaming in the first area, it fastly become a JRPG kind of grind...
Well the grind isn't absolutely necessary, i have seen people livestream a full game run through with a first character (no upgrade character). But those guys are like super pros.
No.
You'll get it in time, but you should focus on learning the enemies and improving your own mobility. Grinding lets you take more hits and kill things in fewer hits, but if you're taking more hits than you need to then you're in for an uphill battle.
The gold you do get, though? It's best spent on vault and dash runes (double-jumping is great, but triple- or quadruple-jumping is awesome), and on better weapons and armor, and then on your base stats (HP, strength, defense) and upgrades to the core classes (paladin, barbarian king/queen, assassin, etc).
Oh, and don't go nuts unlocking stuff in the manor. It's counterproductive to have a ton of classes in the random pool too early-- better to master the core classes than/then to have a different one every time.
Rolling is contextual; it's one of the dodge animations.
toddhunter
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You can either get better at the game or you can level up your character. In reality you will do both at the same time.
Best advice is to go straight for the Hokage unlock. With that you will be able to one shot a lot of the first enemies which makes everything so much easier.
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Eh, I disagree on grinding.
Sure you need to spend a few to improve your castle, but to say that you need to be "overpowered" is hilarious and probably shows impatience than anything. Hell, an upgraded castle with an unskilled player will still die a lot.
Rather than grinding, I call it trial and error. You die because you didn't know how the enemies would act first hand.
Sure you need to spend a few to improve your castle, but to say that you need to be "overpowered" is hilarious and probably shows impatience than anything. Hell, an upgraded castle with an unskilled player will still die a lot.
Rather than grinding, I call it trial and error. You die because you didn't know how the enemies would act first hand.
So what makes Rogue Legacy fun? I've heard lots about how its difficult, grindy and I've seen videos of it, but what keeps people playing? The sense of satisfaction from overcoming challenges and generally improving is an obvious one, but that's not enough for me on its own. Dark Souls was incredibly satisfying but it also had meaty combat, great RPG mechanics, incredible art style, amazing enemies and thought-provoking level design. What other factors makes Rogue Legacy worth playing?
toddhunter
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It is a fun action/platformer with good challenge and variety through the random design. I don't believe you need to overthink it too much.
There's lots of action/platformers out there, though.
I managed to beat the whole game without using weapons, so I know it's doable. I just mean that those sections weren't meant to be played like that, or at least that's the impression I got. It's no fun to engage in hand-to-hand combat with enemies, but it's even worse to shoot them, and in the server room you are forced to choose between either of those options. To me that totally breaks the flow of the game, which should have been nothing more than free running and platforming.
That's the only complaint I have against this awesome game, aside from the story which I think completely sucks.
PetriP-TNT
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The game has excellent, super responsive controls and is quite fast. The powerup combinations are near limitless and all the classes range from funny to super useful so it doesn't matter which class you get. And no matter how grindy it might be, you still progress after EVERY try.
Also the minibosses are great and there are surprises around every corner of the world. What's not to like?
This is the impression I got from what I played of it, and what some GAFfers said too. That's probably the reason why I didn't enjoy the game.
PetriP-TNT
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Your character never gets overpowered. You just keep getting better while the stat upgrades do somewhat help too (but the equipment/skills are the real thing)
Stallion Free
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Based Family Sharing allows me to hook my friends up with access to my Steam copy for 0$.
Yea, just curious. Watching videos doesn't really seem to make it clear what separates this game so much from others. I figured there was more to it that words might be better at explaining.
Doesn't change the fact that it should be in the store for other peeps.
Visualante2
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I can't see any word from Asobo on the matter but the Steam community is surprisingly active. Someone is making unofficial patches for the game.
Multiplayer in Fuel is P2P allegedly but uses GFWL for match making so who knows if we'll be able to connect the dots after shut down.
Stallion Free
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The chance it will work on a modern computer issue free is akin to playing Russian Roulette. It was removed for a good reason.
oipic
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Congrats, Priit! Classy way to get to the milestone, too - nice one.
Jawmuncher
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Congrats. Not a bad choice for number 600.
The GOTY Edition will be out in a few months.
Arkham Asylum: August 2009
GOTY Edition: March 2010
Arkham City: October 2011
GOTY Edition: May 2012
You can expect a 75% off sale before then.
Edit: For perspective, the game isn't even three months old yet has already been half off at several stores, so you won't have to wait long.
That may be true, but I still felt the game was boring, plus I didn't want to keep grinding in order to get "better". It doesn't help that the game was barely playable to me with a 360 pad.
Pretty sure there's a demo. Maybe give that a spin?
Jawmuncher
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The ending I got was pretty meh all around.
basically you survived, so I need to get another playthrough in. It really is fun though. If anything it's the kind of game you can go always go back to after time has passed.
You're not kidding about surprises. Loved the first time I encountered
a mimic directly on top of a real chest
I have a general Steam question...
so I bought Rayman Origins on my Mac the other day. The company that did the port, Feral Interactive, says that a PS3 controller is compatible.
whenever I try to use a PS3 controller, the directional buttons work, select is mapped to the jump button, and nothing else does anything.
I emailed support and they are asking me to find Rayman installed on my computer so I can reset the controller configuration file or something.... but Rayman isn't on my Mac?
when you install a game, is it not actually on your computer because it launches through Steam?? is there some way to reset a controller configuration file in Steam?
so I bought Rayman Origins on my Mac the other day. The company that did the port, Feral Interactive, says that a PS3 controller is compatible.
whenever I try to use a PS3 controller, the directional buttons work, select is mapped to the jump button, and nothing else does anything.
I emailed support and they are asking me to find Rayman installed on my computer so I can reset the controller configuration file or something.... but Rayman isn't on my Mac?
when you install a game, is it not actually on your computer because it launches through Steam?? is there some way to reset a controller configuration file in Steam?
-MD-
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Yeah Rogue Legacy is basically just a big grind-fest. There used to be exploits that let you kill bosses easily but they've been patched out
I can play through the game without grinding.
Atraveller
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So all the retail copies use steam drm?
Not big on demos. But yea, if people think its a good representation of the full game, I might give it a go at some point.
toddhunter
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There is, it is just that rogue legacy is a particular fun example of one. It is like trying to explain why Mario is a better platformer than Psycho fox. In both games you run and jump, it is just that in Mario all the elements come together better.
In Rogue Legacy you have great controls, lots of options (dashes, double jumps, flight etc), a sense of discovery on each run as you find new treasures, the fun of the different traits, challenging bosses, but also bosses that can be beaten without getting hit if you are skilled (and no you don't "need" to grind at all, it just reduces the skill required).
It all just works, for at least 10-12 hours anyway.
Try ~/Library/Application Support/Steam, I think that's where Steam stuff goes by default to on a mac.
No, but the keys are Steam-redeemable.
PandaPedinte
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I don't know how it works on Mac or all the path but go to the Steam folder, then Steamapps and you should have a folder named Rayman Legends.
Atraveller
Banned
Gonna grab myself a copy then.
Better late than never, especially now that stock is beginning to dry up.
Man Teleglitch is so good, I wish so many people weren't sleeping on it. Reminds me of Super Metroid, somehow, even though it plays like a less frantic Hotline Miami.
I've only been able to get to level 3 once. Crafted a nail gun but couldn't find any nails to use with it
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