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Honestly I don't think people should be able to tag a game without buying it.
Steam introduces the ability for users to tag games.
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Honestly I don't think people should be able to tag a game without buying it.
They're not reviews. Let the tags fly.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
They are pretty much useless in their current form. They are made to discover things, no leave passive agressive opinions or one note jokes or hatefull messages:
Welp. Poor Holo Coast
I disagree. If a game has a certain quality, it'll get tagged with that legitimate tag enough that it'll pop up on a search.
A bunch of people tagging "boob" in a game doesn't change the other people tagging the game for being "atmospheric". If you search for "atmospheric", it'll still be there.
If you happen to already be on the product page, you should probably look at the all the reviews and tags if you're actually looking for an opinion on a specific title. The other tags are fun and hilarious.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
And you'll click on that game and buy it because of that tag? It also contains a "difficult" tag. If someone buys it because of a tag, they deserve to lose money. They've probably lost more money doing something more stupid and will continue to do so.
The system just came out. Let it equalize.
Yeah, and that tag might be inappropriate, but it'll probably just drop off as other tags get added.
dinosaur_hunter2
Member
I can't stop laughing with all those tags. It's hilarious!
Needs a helpful/not helpful system, like reviews.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Yeah, that is not how a service to buy stuff works. The guys from Valve are goin to get a good laugh before the tsunami phonecalls and mails from indies and big devs alike.
You think?
I bet you that more than a half of the tags are going to dissapear before the end of the week, if the tag system itself does not get an overhaul
There's a very clear distinction between having inappropriate tags and simply tags from people who haven't purchased the game on Steam.
These are two separate things. One is needlessly restrictive. The other is simply maintaining oversight of a safe environment/community.
Tags should be moderated, but they should also be open to everyone. I agree that half the tags will disappear, but not just because they're negative or trollish... rather because they're insensitive or discriminatory.
Tags aren't meant to be sellers and they shouldn't be tailored to what the publisher/developer wants. Steam already has a function for that called User Reviews and Metacritic Score. Valve already said that this was not just about user recommendations, but also about letting publishers/developers see what the general public thinks of their game.
Oh man, 'A Bomb' has me lol'ing. Also lol'ing at Daikatana GOTY. These tags are glorious!
Rodney McKay
Member
I immediately went to Red Faction Armageddon's tags and was not disappointed!
Tag: "Worse than Guerrilla"
So much truth, it brings a tear to my eye.
Tag: "Worse than Guerrilla"
So much truth, it brings a tear to my eye.
In all fairness, Guerrilla only had one good fun thing going for it.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Having that restriction will probably help the moderation a lot more than moderate every tag list.
In anycase, at least we agree that after tonight, Valve will rethink the system (thats why is a beta, I guess)
Steam is still a store that needs to be diplomatic with both publishers and developers.
Nah. Just have a report button and have it auto-delete certain terms. The manual pruning required would be minimal.
As it stands, the system is promising and looks to be a lot of fun. I'm eager to see how it evolves.
So what? You're not making an argument. Steam is not making a statement or taking a position with these tags. Just like they aren't when someone writes a scathing, nonsensical review on a game they purchased.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Rodney McKay
Member
Yes, huge amounts of destructibility, and that was the whole game and it was awesome! I don't need a game to be great at everything, I just need it to be great at one thing that makes it fun and worth playing.
It even had a good amount of side missions that made destroying buildings into puzzles!
And it had a jetpack!
And an incredibly fun multiplayer! (sadly overlooked, but still great)
Armageddon took away the jetpack, only had survival co-op (I think) added an even worse story (frankly didn't think that was possible), added worse enemies, and made the destructibility not only an afterthought, but something that often hampered the game itself. It's not fun to be walking up stairs only to have them destroyed and fall to your death.
...OK, derail over. Still, I think these tags are a really great idea and will hopefully work quite well after a large enough amount are made. I already love the Metroidvania tag, I'll be using that one for sure!
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
The report botton alone will stilll take some mod time. Auto delete will not delete everything, so you will be welcome by tags as "Gr0W Dick www.dsDs.@#"
To me it looks like any forum/service that suddenly gets tags and everyone thinks is the funniest person on the site (past experiencies in other communities). Is fun until the tags gets useless, bullish and vile
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Time to tag everything as Hentai. =3
God forbid. The Steam community is so above that.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Well, the mods will still need to delete it and waste time... when a buy restriction can make things easier.
I don't see the point of tags then. They're just a redundancy to reviews, as far as I'm concerned.
Steam is a gigantic storefront and unless you are stubborn like EA, you will want to be there for the audience and to generate money during sales events.
Valve even pretty much spells it out, if the community says it's shit, deal with it. I'm sure anyone worth anything will be able to spot the real tags from the shitty jokes and vindictive internet nerd tags.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
tags are made for searching stuff with common terms. Reviews are made for look if the stuff is "decent ot good".
Pretty sure the community or Valve will understand that "Holocoast never happened" is not exactly comedy gold or something you like to "get over it".
Yes, I feel like the greatest ease of use will be from that. Anyone who buys a game based on a tag deserves to waste their money away from that.
tim_pkmn89
Member
It's variable depending on DLC and region
Someone in a current argument here gets some more fuel for his crusade when he see the first tag then reads the game's description and then puts the two into context...
Quadraphonic
Member
Looking at Papers, Please, I predicted a top tag.
I just wonder if there'd be a way to split QUOTES from TAGS.
I just wonder if there'd be a way to split QUOTES from TAGS.
That's what I said, but apparently Valve has some arbitrary responsibility to keep user content about their business partners' games positive.
But whatever. If Valve decides to implement that restriction and pretty much make tags worthless, then fine. I'll just enjoy and laugh at the glory it is right now.
Yes, scary. Hopefully you'll find a way to recover from this plight.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
More like not wanting to waste resources or potential, like the ongoing problem of how make Greenlight work.
I'm of the opinion that Greenlight is pretty much fine as it is right now.
I didn't buy the bullshit in the earlier thread about how Valve has some responsibility to be an arbiter of game quality for their storefront.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
No offense dude, but I will not act condescending because someone takes offense of antisemitism.
I didn't want to say anything because people are having fun, for better or worse. I just take issue when people think that the tags are actually viable in their current form.
And Valve will disagree with you.
I agree that Valve should not be QA tester for everysingle game. But Greenlight problems are also community related.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I don't think there's a better solution than letting the people decide what they want to buy. That's what Greenlight is, regardless of how Valve wants to fine tune it. They can add/enforce conditions to deal with issues related to certain publishers/developers conducting shady practices.
If the name "FunnyTag" (in the "Originally quoted by") in your previous post isn't condescending sarcasm, then I don't know what is.
Quadraphonic
Member
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Dunno if you should fight that battle. Dunno if you should take offence that someone doesn't like that type of joke. Again, you ar ethe one that is saying that I have a crusade against... something.
Femmeworth
Banned
Not a single roguelike with the #YOLO tag.
I was the one who added the "play NFL Blitz instead" tag.
(Sadly, there doesn't seem to be an ice hockey game where I could toss in "play NHL 94 instead", and someone wasted his chance on NBA 2K14 on a "play NBA Hangtime instead" tag instead of its superior predecessor-and-latest-descendant NBA Jam.)