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STEAM | January 2016 - Out of cash, out of cache

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Nordicus

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zkylon said:
the leveling system for instance. having to be handling out killing blows to your party members to keep them leveled made the game really tedious since some characters are way more capable at chipping away health rather than dealing a whole lot of dmg right away
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Oh yeah that's definitely questionable design.

I have a character that can under right circumstances kill 2-4 somewhat weakened enemies in one sweeping motion of a greatsword, and another that kinda likes hanging out in enemies' face and tanking damage with his shield, never attacking himself.

Gee, wonder who will level faster?

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or how turns work in that you don't get more turns the more enemies you kill, so it's always in your best interest to leave a bunch of ppl hanging around with 1 hp/dmg so they take up the turns of their higher hp/dmg characters
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This though, I actually kinda started liking by the end. It allowed you to not get squashed in fights where you're really outnumbered.

And later on it wasn't always as simple as leaving every enemy alive at 1 HP before killing them though, because there are a fair number of enemies that are still a threat at low HP due to
1) really powerful active skills that don't scale down with low HP,
2) high Armor Break stat,
3) some passives like the archers' +1 bonus to damage for every 2 armor lost on enemy if archer's standing still.
 
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accel

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zkylon said:
i think this is a bad read, people buy stuff because it's easier than pirating. pirating involves going into shady sites with porn ads and viruses and all that crap. it involves installing scary exes and cracks and whatnot. you have to go get your console hacked and lose your warranty. buying a pirated game has you looking through folders of games wondering if they thing you just bought will even work and if the guy that sold it to you when it doesn't is gonna be there when you ask for a change

etc.

buying your game legal (generally) saves you that hassle. that's the benefit vs the cost of some/more money.

if the person you're trying to sell a game to is not interested in that you're never gonna get that person's money. if the person you're trying to sell a game to is interested in that but can't afford it, just sell your games cheaper. there's regional pricing for a reason and in the digital store age there's no shipping costs for people to worry about

that doomsday scenario you're thinking of, there's no reason for things to get to that unless ppl start failing to deliver on that (like arkham city on pc, terrible regional pricing like in australia, making the game progressively worse like mgs5, attaching terrible drm, etc.) and if that's the case it's clearly that you just didn't hold your part of the benefit vs cost equation


not really

i bought arkham city for a friend on steam not long ago cos my friend didn't even know how to buy a game. my friend's a smart person, a lawyer, etc. etc.

and ppl don't want to play the free version with annoying ads, cmon
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I disagree completely. I guess I should have said that I am developing general software and not games, it might have helped, but then again, it might not. I will leave this for now, because I don't want to flood the thread, but there is a counterpoint for every single argument in the quoted text.
 
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Arthea

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Corpekata said:
Seems like the developer has other games on Steam via the same publisher, so it's likely an effort to promote the other titles.
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perhaps that's the case.
Anyway just read some reviews, apparently it's really short and good. No reason not to give it a chance.
 
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JustLynx

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any idea why this is happening?
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zkylon

zkylewd
JustLynx said:
any idea why this is happening?
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Nordicus said:
Oh yeah that's definitely questionable design.

I have a character that can under right circumstances kill 2-4 somewhat weakened enemies in one sweeping motion of a greatsword, and another that kinda likes hanging out in enemies' face and tanking damage with his shield, never attacking himself.

Gee, wonder who will level faster?

This though, I actually kinda started liking by the end. It allowed you to not get squashed in fights where you're really outnumbered.

And later on it wasn't always as simple as leaving every enemy alive at 1 HP before killing them though, because there are a fair number of enemies that are still a threat at low HP due to
1) really powerful active skills that don't scale down with low HP,
2) high Armor Break stat,
3) some passives like the archers' +1 bonus to damage for every 2 armor lost on enemy if archer's standing still.
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can't exactly remember those things you're mentioning but i still think it's bad design since at the very least we both agree it's counterintuitive for a big slice of the game.

i'd like to see those two things addressed as i think there's something fundamentally wrong in a game if your most efficient long term choice is to not finish off people

it's also derived of the design decision of health and dmg being a shared stat, which i found kind of interesting in theory but not that much of a payoff in the end

so i dunno, i think most of the things i liked about the banner saga were outside of combat

blackcrane said:
I disagree completely. I guess I should have said that I am developing general software and not games, it might have helped, but then again, it might not. I will leave this for now, because I don't want to flood the thread, but there is a counterpoint for every single argument in the quoted text.
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suit yourself
 
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xJavonta

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The Red Wizard said:
I really enjoyed it as well, especially when I put the difficulty level to extreme. I'm still working my way through Rise Against the Empire but Twilight of the Republic was fantastic.
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Currently have it on Hard and having a blast. I really need to play Twilight of the Republic, from what I've read it's really good. I'm playing The Force Awakens thanks to a generous gaffer and enjoying it even though it's supposed to be the weakest. Stoked for the others.

I remember playing the demo when it first hit PC and being really turned off by the joystick sensitivity but that seems to be fixed now
 
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Sub Zero

his body's cold as ice, but he's got a heart of gold
So does Nuuvem block all VPN purchases now or just games from certain publishers?



Couldn't pick up XCOM 2 and Dragon's Dogma,but hopefully I'll still be able to buy Paradox games from them
 
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xJavonta

Banned
Majukun said:
hmm.. DA: inquisition is 10 euros on origin..what was the general consensus about the game?
i mean once the hype disappeared
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Worth it.

Paid $60 for it on PS4, glitches and all and felt like I definitely got my money's worth. I haven't even finished it yet (nearly there)
 
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Deques

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Sub Zero said:
So does Nuuvem block all VPN purchases now or just games from certain publishers?



Couldn't pick up XCOM 2 and Dragon's Dogma,but hopefully I'll still be able to buy Paradox games from them
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Paypal purchase restrictions probably, and Dragon's Dogma has activation restriction
 
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Creamium

shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
Anyone still having login issues from time to time? Yesterday I logged out of the client and had to sign in again, but got server errors constantly. When I restarted the client I had the same issue, but after rebooting I could login again. When I refresh or enter pages now I often see the 'verifying login information' screen for a split second before it loads, which only started happening these last few weeks.
 
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Chairmanchuck

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Atraveller said:
Like I said before, if one could afford a PC that runs DA:I (which needed a middle or middle-high end card at least), one could afforded it full price, and there's also third party key sellers, and Mexican Origin...
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I kinda doubt the average chinese PC gamer even knows about third party sellers or Mexican Origin.

I find it disgusting when people who can easily afford it in the western world pirate a game, but I cant find much fault when someone in a country where they dont earn as much as lets say Germany pirates a game that otherwise costs 60-70$ there. I also wonder why Origin has mexican prices, but not chinese prices. Steam has now and as far as I can see it helps a lot, since far more chinese users are using Steam now than before.

Regional pricing should be the norm everywhere now. Whether uPlay, PSN, Steam or Origin.
 
Jawmuncher

Jawmuncher

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Finally I can play some PC games today. Though I did play a bit of Black Ops 3 on PS4. Playing the campaign right now on hardened coop and it's not too bad. Typical COD gameplay with some nice new additions. However the story is already a step down from Advanced Warfare. Like I don't even know what is going on in black ops. People are augmented now and there's data leaking and you gotta stop it is the most I have gathered ATM.
 
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Nordicus

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zkylon said:
can't exactly remember those things you're mentioning
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I can think of at least 4 skills that may become an issue if you take too long with finishing people off (though 2 of those I suppose are worse if you can't decide between killing and maiming)

First, the 2 abilities that the Dredge have with 1 turn casting time. The big sword guys, when weakened, simply summon another melee unit once one turn has passed. Now, that dredge mender guy if you remember, he has an ability where every injured dredge will explode and harm adjacent units for for as much HP as the dredge had remaining armor value. The first time I saw that and didn't have means to interrupt, the spell killed 3 of my units from pretty much perfect health. Lost that fight.

Now, the more immediate threats: those big dredge greatshield guys, their Kindle move dealt 1-4 armor damage to every unit around them, based on how knocked back they were. If that ability hits for full damage at 2 of your guys, then your army just became a whole lot squishier.
And finally, Thrasher human opponents have Bloody Flail, which will deal minimum 4 damage no matter how low their HP is, and it will deal +1 damage for every adjacent ally. A couple of injured thrashers clinging to each other can still deal quite a bit of damage and soften you for those archer Puncture blows late in a battle.
zkylon said:
we both agree it's counterintuitive for a big slice of the game.
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*nod*
zkylon said:
it's also derived of the design decision of health and dmg being a shared stat, which i found kind of interesting in theory but not that much of a payoff in the end
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Yeah, it's interesting but also makes for a very momentum-based combat system. Once things start going just a little bad they may spiral down easily. Kudos to Stoic for trying though, I've always wanted to at least mess with a game where low HP meant pissweak offense.
 
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zkylon

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watching the xcom 2 quicklook i really appreciate how much more stuff there seems to be in the game

i felt like xcom 1 was pretty cool but was a bit lacking in nuance, game got kind of repetitive since there weren't that many elements to it

this one seems to have a shit ton of new stuff, i really like that

the framerate looked super wonky tho, i hope it runs ok

i still wish jake solomon was directing it

his enthusiasm really came across like few game developers i've ever seen
 
Jawmuncher

Jawmuncher

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Xcom I recall was made pretty quick and off the backlash of declassified. So for what it is, it's pretty impressive. But yeah I see Xcom 2 being everything some people felt was missing.
 
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YianGaruga

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came up with my Steam GOTY list

(5 Points) - Trails in the Sky SC
(4 Points) - Metal Gear Solid V
(3 Points) - Tales of Zestiria
(2 Points) - Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth1
(1 Point) - Sayonara UmiharaKawase

Didn't think too hard about it but it reflects what I played and enjoyed this year well

And you don't have to tell me, I know all of the games on it are shit
 
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UltraJay

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I bought the Mystery Bundle along with Dragon's Dogma on GMG and got two games I already had (I'll do a giveaway) plus... Black Ops 2. Should I add that to my account? Is the multi fun and still active?
 
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Dragon1893

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OK, now that Tits SC is done and since RE0 is still a few days away, I think I'm going to focus on Lightning Returns. My first impression after playing for about an hour is actually positive. I also need to get back to Type-0, the game didn't grab me.
Yakuza 5 is still my priority though.
I hope I can get some shit done in these games before April (Dark Souls 3 and Uncharted 4).
 
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