Secret of Mana and Final Fantasy VI (OG version)
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STEAM | July 2014 25TH THREAD EDITION (2008-2014)
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Secret of Mana and Final Fantasy VI (OG version)
Man, I really want to like Cloudbuilt (and I kinda do) but boy is it frustrating.
I hate the enemies in this game. Every time I'm having fun zooming through the levels I end up coming across a patch of turrets and crawlers to ruin my fun. The crawlers are the worst. Sometimes you can't see them before jumping on their platform and they wreck your shit. The only way you can kill them is by knocking them into the abyss which is much easier said than done. So when I come upon a situation where I have crawlers and turrets to deal with, I shoot at the crawlers first to disarm them. Then I start shooting at the turret, but then the crawlers come back to life and hit me! I get that they're meant to encourage you to never stop moving, but then why put them near obstacles that take me a bit to think about? There are also these drone enemies that follow you around everywhere, and if they spot you they put up a shield making them invulnerable. So basically if you don't spot and destroy them before they spot you (and you'll often miss them because you're zooming through the levels too fast to notice them), then you're stuck with these things following you everywhere (or at least until they lose sight of you, but that can take a while). Trying to quickly assess what to do with a drone following you everywhere is super-stressful (but I'll admit it feels good to zoom through obstacles without a single mistake while being chased). I'm sure that experts would be able to breeze past these scenarios, but nobody is an expert going through these levels on their first time. This stuff requires trial-and-error and you'll end up dying a bunch of times which leads me to my next complaint:
If you lose all of your lives you have to restart the level. I know this is typical to most games with lives, but in this one it's so frustrating. The hardest parts of a level are always near the end, so once you lose all of your lives trying to get past it you have to go through the entire level all over again just to get back to the part that you were stuck at. It is nice that your lives are reset after completing/restaring a level and there are ways to increase the life cap (apparently it can go as high as 316) but this requires you to beat the levels with a higher rank (or collect tough-to-reach tokens within the levels) which by the time you're good enough to do that you'll have already beaten all the levels and won't need the lives anymore. It's when you're a noob that you need all the lives you can get. Either get rid of the lives or get rid of the bullshit enemy placement (but I'd prefer if they got rid of the lives).
Also I'm getting terrible performance in this game, even on the lowest settings. For a game like this, frame rate is really important and low frame rates are the cause of many of my mess-ups. It's weird because the game doesn't look like something that would be really demanding, but I found this post by one of the developers on the Steam forums:
I dunno, the aesthetic looks really nice but I don't think it was worth making the game so demanding. Maybe there's a better way for them to achieve that look without impacting performance as much, but I'm not a developer so what do I know? But it sucks because after putting in all that effort to make the game look good and kill my performance, I'm forced to run the game in the lowest settings which negates all of their hard work. I'm not allowed to turn the texture quality higher than Very Low without the game crashing (apparently because I only have 512MB of VRAM), so I'm stuck with terrible-looking textures (although there are still many textures that are high-quality which is weird). I guess that's the point of having a texture quality setting, but even the UI elements are affected by this setting. So basically stuff like the level rank images, level preview images, and even the timer are so compressed that they're sometimes illegible. Why would you tie this stuff to the texture quality setting?
But despite all these problems I have with the game, it's still really fun to play! I dunno, I just really like fast-paced platformers. Even after I rage-quit the game because of a stupid level, I find myself going back to it and trying again. This doesn't mean that I forgive the game for my complaints, just that I'm willing to deal with them because the game is still fun. I hear that there will be free DLC levels too so I can't wait for that. I'd still recommend the game to anyone that is interested (and has a good GPU). And thanks again for gifting it to me, Dragoon En Regalia. Don't think I don't appreciate it!
And, uh, sorry for that wall of text guys. I just really needed to vent. Anyway, back to playing Cloudbuilt.
I hate the enemies in this game. Every time I'm having fun zooming through the levels I end up coming across a patch of turrets and crawlers to ruin my fun. The crawlers are the worst. Sometimes you can't see them before jumping on their platform and they wreck your shit. The only way you can kill them is by knocking them into the abyss which is much easier said than done. So when I come upon a situation where I have crawlers and turrets to deal with, I shoot at the crawlers first to disarm them. Then I start shooting at the turret, but then the crawlers come back to life and hit me! I get that they're meant to encourage you to never stop moving, but then why put them near obstacles that take me a bit to think about? There are also these drone enemies that follow you around everywhere, and if they spot you they put up a shield making them invulnerable. So basically if you don't spot and destroy them before they spot you (and you'll often miss them because you're zooming through the levels too fast to notice them), then you're stuck with these things following you everywhere (or at least until they lose sight of you, but that can take a while). Trying to quickly assess what to do with a drone following you everywhere is super-stressful (but I'll admit it feels good to zoom through obstacles without a single mistake while being chased). I'm sure that experts would be able to breeze past these scenarios, but nobody is an expert going through these levels on their first time. This stuff requires trial-and-error and you'll end up dying a bunch of times which leads me to my next complaint:
If you lose all of your lives you have to restart the level. I know this is typical to most games with lives, but in this one it's so frustrating. The hardest parts of a level are always near the end, so once you lose all of your lives trying to get past it you have to go through the entire level all over again just to get back to the part that you were stuck at. It is nice that your lives are reset after completing/restaring a level and there are ways to increase the life cap (apparently it can go as high as 316) but this requires you to beat the levels with a higher rank (or collect tough-to-reach tokens within the levels) which by the time you're good enough to do that you'll have already beaten all the levels and won't need the lives anymore. It's when you're a noob that you need all the lives you can get. Either get rid of the lives or get rid of the bullshit enemy placement (but I'd prefer if they got rid of the lives).
Also I'm getting terrible performance in this game, even on the lowest settings. For a game like this, frame rate is really important and low frame rates are the cause of many of my mess-ups. It's weird because the game doesn't look like something that would be really demanding, but I found this post by one of the developers on the Steam forums:
I dunno, the aesthetic looks really nice but I don't think it was worth making the game so demanding. Maybe there's a better way for them to achieve that look without impacting performance as much, but I'm not a developer so what do I know? But it sucks because after putting in all that effort to make the game look good and kill my performance, I'm forced to run the game in the lowest settings which negates all of their hard work. I'm not allowed to turn the texture quality higher than Very Low without the game crashing (apparently because I only have 512MB of VRAM), so I'm stuck with terrible-looking textures (although there are still many textures that are high-quality which is weird). I guess that's the point of having a texture quality setting, but even the UI elements are affected by this setting. So basically stuff like the level rank images, level preview images, and even the timer are so compressed that they're sometimes illegible. Why would you tie this stuff to the texture quality setting?
But despite all these problems I have with the game, it's still really fun to play! I dunno, I just really like fast-paced platformers. Even after I rage-quit the game because of a stupid level, I find myself going back to it and trying again. This doesn't mean that I forgive the game for my complaints, just that I'm willing to deal with them because the game is still fun. I hear that there will be free DLC levels too so I can't wait for that. I'd still recommend the game to anyone that is interested (and has a good GPU). And thanks again for gifting it to me, Dragoon En Regalia. Don't think I don't appreciate it!
And, uh, sorry for that wall of text guys. I just really needed to vent. Anyway, back to playing Cloudbuilt.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
They are very easy to parry. Or try kicking them.
In case you forgot, you kick forward stick + weak attack at the same time.
Beelzebubs
Member
Kill the one in the gif first.
The other one is only guarding a soul pickup, I believe, and won't be able to attack you once you're on the ledge.
A good trick is to lure him back to the platform you used to run up to the ledge. He'll usually make himself fall.
I think the main problem is that it's getting really hard to find news regarding steam without having to read 15 pages of banter.
Still not beaten the advanced edition
I'm 20+ hours in and still haven't beaten the normal version. I'm terrible at FTL but I think it's a lot of fun! I think my problem is that I try to have everything on all at once, so I spend way too much scrap on power.
Advanced edition features are really fun, though. That was really cool of the devs to release such a huge patch for free.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Omg, is that a typo or has Final Fantasy VI been released on PC somewhere!?
FFVI is in my top 5 favorite games of all time, for sure!
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? How is this already 100+ pages 3 days into the month
Sale hype hasn't worn off yet!
tav7623
Member
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? How is this already 100+ pages 3 days into the month
venturing a guess I'd have to say it's dat post Steam sale buzz
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? How is this already 100+ pages 3 days into the month
Sale chatter doesn't stop dead.
It should normalize within the next few days.
(hopefully)
Picked up new members, 25th Anni thread, and coming off the Steam sale high.
Perfect storm of posting conditions.
Scanning the top ten, I see a few new people I don't recognize posting up a storm. We've unleashed the whales!
i managed to do a full heal from having 1 hull point left
damn right i want an achievement on record for that.
Right below FFIV, I'm sure
Final Fantasy IV is so great! They need to put the DS extra stuff into the PSP complete version to make the ultimate, perfect FFIV. Knowing Squeenix and they're re-releases, they probably will.
Thanks for the impressions. I appreciated the aesthetic of Cloudbuilt, but I have a few games I need to finish before I buy another one.
There are 8 million accounts on Steam. This isn't a meaningful occurrence. Some reviews for the game have a few hundred approvals or down votes. They all started somewhere.
Thanks I'll give that a try on this attempt. If I can trick him into falling that would be perfect, already trained some of those monsters right before to jump off ledges
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
We just can't have nice things.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I will support Capy to the ends of the earth...
...or to the end of their making good games... or just to the end of their good business practice... whichever comes first.
This also happened to remind me that Cosmic Star Heroine is still on the way and, just checking now, it will apparently have a significant demonstration soon.
tav7623
Member
I wish the PC versions of Silent Hill 2 & 3 were available on Steam as well as all the early Test Drive and Need for Speed games.
Holy hell, good job!
It's sad that the FTL achievements are only in-game because they're something to be proud of.
At least it's solid proof almost no one in here actually plays games.
MMBosstones86
Member
Just 5th? Prepare to cry.
The one on the right is all you need to kill.
yeah...
...it's something.
FiveElementNinja
Member
I saw that. Pretty lame. I gave it a thumbs up though.
Cyberquake
Member
Thanks a lot for Brothers!!
Concurrent and total accounts are completely different things.
The concurrent number hit a new record of 8 million recently, but there are probably around 80-85 million active accounts on Steam by this point.
Thanks. I posted it friends-only for a reason, but I guess I befriended an asshole at some point. It wasn't that poorly-written.
Oh I don't care about the up/down ratio, I just think it's funny the hate the game/not-a-game gets.
I saw that special edition too, and am kinda tempted.
derExperte
Member
Link it here and you'll get an upvote (clicking on reviews in your profile doesn't work for me currently).
Also a Gone Home Special Edition is available!
http://steamcommunity.com/games/GoneHome/announcements/detail/227746029756992822
Oh it was concurrent number? For some reason I thought it was total accounts. whoops.
it felt soooo good.
MMBosstones86
Member
something you never want to read during an RMA :
sonofabitch
sonofabitch
ItsGeeMcGee
Member
Ouch what did you RMA?
Another reminder to add yourself to the super awesome SteamGAF list, if you haven't already! Makes people a lot easier to identify after adding a million GAF friends on Steam!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=847718
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=847718
FiveElementNinja
Member
So bought. Thanks for the heads up!
A 1000% increase in size.
derExperte
Member
That STFU pic reminded me of Galak-Z which still doesn't have a solid release date that I can see. Makes me sad, really want that game.
Check out XenoRaptor in the meantime, gameplay seems a bit similar.
Did you change your name from Leila or are you two using the same avatar?
Gintoki313
Banned
EDIT: Nevermind, I found it out. It's Postal 2 that it's from. Luckily, that was the one I bought 2 days ago. About to try it out, I've heard good things about the game.
Did you change your name from Leila or are you two using the same avatar?
Lol, I used to be Leila. My normal screen name is Mono, but some gaffer took the name in 2005 and only posted twice. I asked the mods about it and they seemed to have stealth-changed me to Mono yesterday!
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